Job Creation And Economic Recovery

[Lund Explorer]

Here's a bad sign. How long has this been up, and why is there only one reply?

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/98982-how-to-save-gas/

[Glenn]

I just posted it last night, that's why there's only one reply.

[Lund Explorer]

I just posted it last night, that's why there's only one reply.

Must be everyone was busy on the Man Rules!

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Must be everyone was busy on the Man Rules!

Who would have thought the art of public urination would be such a popular topic.

[Fishing Rhino]

Here's a bad sign. How long has this been up, and why is there only one reply?

http://www.bassresou...ow-to-save-gas/

I checked the above link, and I can tell you one good reason to avoid these aftermarket chips or any like them. Put one in your truck and void the warranty.

It may not have been the same "chip", but our daughter and her husband got a new Ford pickup with the powerstroke diesel. They promptly put one of these chips in. A year later they had problems with the truck shutting down as they were driving along. Then it was ok for a while. But eventually it would start acting up again. Finally our daughter got stranded alongside a highway in Mississippi with several hunting dogs in the carrier out back.

Got a Ford dealer to tow the truck to the dealership. It only took them a few minutes to find the aftermarket chip, and that it was causing the problem. A few hundred dollars later with a genuine Ford part in the truck, and no more problems. The dealership told her she was lucky that was all it needed. If it had caused other problems or failures the use of the aftermarket chip would have voided the warranty.

The chips or engine control modules keep the fuel air mix in accordance with factory specs. Tinker around with aftermarket pieces and you are asking for trouble. Back in the late 60s or early 70s, Chrysler products offered "lean burn" engines for a few years. They got better gas mileage and performance, but were discontinued. Why?, unless they were problematic.

Engines will get better gas mileage and performance if they run toward the lean side of the spectrum. But, it comes at a cost to engine life and reliability.

Will changing your air filter lead to better performance and mileage? It will help performance. Mileage, not so much. An engine is nothing more than an air pump. Mix the air with the proper ration of fuel and it runs. Today's cars measure the amount of air entering the manifold and inject the amount of fuel needed for the proper air/fuel mix.

Years ago a clean air filter would have made a difference in fuel mileage, because the engine would run too rich, wasting fuel and losing efficiency. The dirtier an air filter got, the richer, and worse the air/fuel mixture got.

Before you install a chip in your vehicle, make sure it will not void the warranty.

[Glenn]

I don't know what chip you're referring to, but the Edge modules do not void warranties. I made sure to check into that before I allowed them to advertise here. They are the most respected, highly recommended company in their vertical, and do not have any of the issues you mentioned above.

[tomustang]

Ya, you are. One problem to your theory: oil prices are totally dictated by the stock market, not supply and demand or competition.

More like OPEC dictates s/d, and it adjusts the price more depending on what events are happening in any oil producing country or oil demanding country. The stock market adjusts wether they like it not.

Let's just say the united states isn't stupid by wasting all our natural resourse fuels so we have more later when the other tap out

[slonezp]

What goes up always comes down, and gas will, when I don't know.

Heard on the radio today, when oil goes up $10 a barrel gas goes up an average of .45 a gal. When it drops $10 a barrel gas goes down an average of .03

[slonezp]

If you are tired of spending so much money for fuel, just use less of it.

Nobody here has the ability to change the price of oil, but all of us have the ability to change how much of it we use. We, the citizens of this country, have brought this on ourselves. We live in the suburbs and commute to our jobs way farther than people in other countries do. Many completely ignore mass transit. We drive to work all alone in the gas guzzler we use on the weekends to tow our gas guzzling boats to far away lakes. Our wives drive their own vehicles to their jobs, and when the kids get old enough, they drive to school as well. Though most of us drive right past the grocery store on Friday, we drive right back there on Saturday to shop. Cars/Trucks might get better mileage than they did 40 years ago, but we drive many more miles now. Until we see a change in our addiction to this habit, we will continue to see others profit off of it.

I see this as just treating the symptom rather than treating the problem. Addiction to a habit? Using fuel is a necessity, not a luxury.

In the Chicago metro area, one of the reasons people live in the burbs because it's less expensive. There are many other reasons too, but $250,000 can buy you a condo in Chicago, and pay another $30,000 for a parking space. Or you can move 50 miles west and get a 4 bedroom house on a 1/4 acre and commute 3hrs a day to and from work and have your kids get a good education. I prefer the latter. My gas guzzling boat is a reward for my hard work. If one can't enjoy the spoils in life, then why work at all.

[SirSnookalot]

Heard on the radio today, when oil goes up $10 a barrel gas goes up an average of .45 a gal. When it drops $10 a barrel gas goes down an average of .03

Oil commodities and unleaded gas commodities each have their own market (natural gas and heating oil too in the energy sector), they do not always move in conjunction with each other. That said, the game is rigged so to speak for the world wide consumer.

The Keystone pipeline has gotten a lot of controversy, one side of the story says oil doesn't flow until 2030 and the oil is designated to be sold on the world market, mainly to China, affected the pump price no more than a few cents a gallon. Would employ only a few thousand temporary construction workers.

It is time for us to conserve, use alternate energy sources, change our mindset about the size of homes we live in, the number of cars in the driveway and how much fuel is needed to operate them, and a modern electrical grid. We need a responsible energy policy that has not been in place for decades. Energy is a world wide problem, not just an American one. With growing populations the need for more energy increases daily. This is a simple matter of supply and demand, unless the world changes the way we live, what we use for energy, and the price of energy, the chance of survival in the long run just isn't there. The major energy companies have to work with the major countries to find and implement solutions.

I do agree with slonezp about rewarding yourself, and I'm no different. In my household we had cars for me, my wife, each of the 2 kids had car, plus a "Sunday" sports car for me. We had a 34' pleasure boat on Lake St Clair, I was never so happy when the kids got too old to go, I got rid of it....lol, then fished from a rowboat.

[Lund Explorer]

Heard on the radio today, when oil goes up $10 a barrel gas goes up an average of .45 a gal. When it drops $10 a barrel gas goes down an average of .03

I'm not sure who you were listening to on the radio, but if they are correct, then you may want to re-think your plan to get gas prices back down to $2 per/gallon. Such a plan would require a drop of almost $670 per/barrel.

As this seems completely impossible to me, you need to either change your plan or the radio station. I'll suggest the radio station.

[Lund Explorer]

I see this as just treating the symptom rather than treating the problem. Addiction to a habit? Using fuel is a necessity, not a luxury.

In the Chicago metro area, one of the reasons people live in the burbs because it's less expensive. There are many other reasons too, but $250,000 can buy you a condo in Chicago, and pay another $30,000 for a parking space. Or you can move 50 miles west and get a 4 bedroom house on a 1/4 acre and commute 3hrs a day to and from work and have your kids get a good education. I prefer the latter. My gas guzzling boat is a reward for my hard work. If one can't enjoy the spoils in life, then why work at all.

As I tried to explain before, we all have choices that we make in life. It is up to each of us to weigh the costs that these choices put upon us. I can and do understand your frustration. I know several people who commute 50-100 miles per/day, and such a rise in fuel prices has got to play havoc with a family's budget. Yet this isn't the first time one of these price spikes has happened, which is why I find it hard to believe that it takes anyone by surprise when it happens again and again.

I wish there was an easy answer that I could give you that would solve your problem, but that doesn't seem possible. I can only repeat that you need to look at changing the things you have control over rather than blaming others for not changing to fit your own specific needs.

[scrutch]

Heard on the radio today, when oil goes up $10 a barrel gas goes up an average of .45 a gal. When it drops $10 a barrel gas goes down an average of .03

The difference is time. In the same amount of time his math is correct.

Up like a rocket, down like a feather.

[Fishing Rhino]

The difference is time. In the same amount of time his math is correct.

Up like a rocket, down like a feather.

In a way, we are lucky with gasoline. At least the price does fluctuate with the market.

Not so with the resins and gel coats I use in my fiberglass shop. When the price of oil goes up, I get a notice of price increases from the vendor. When petroleum prices drop the gel coats and resins stay the same. When the price of petroleum rises, I get a notice of price increases. I have yet to get a notice of a price drop in almost twenty years. The price is like a ratchet. It only goes one way.

Even when gasoline dropped to around a buck and a half about four years ago, the resin and gel coat prices stayed the same.

[slonezp]

As I tried to explain before, we all have choices that we make in life. It is up to each of us to weigh the costs that these choices put upon us. I can and do understand your frustration. I know several people who commute 50-100 miles per/day, and such a rise in fuel prices has got to play havoc with a family's budget. Yet this isn't the first time one of these price spikes has happened, which is why I find it hard to believe that it takes anyone by surprise when it happens again and again.

I wish there was an easy answer that I could give you that would solve your problem, but that doesn't seem possible. I can only repeat that you need to look at changing the things you have control over rather than blaming others for not changing to fit your own specific needs.

Lund, My frustration is with the entire picture. The job creation and recovery. The fact that 8 or 18%(depending on what figures you believe) of americans are unemployed is not good for anyone. Changing my driving habits is not going to curb unemployment.

[Glenn]

This...

I wish there was an easy answer that I could give you that would solve your problem, but that doesn't seem possible. I can only repeat that you need to look at changing the things you have control over rather than blaming others for not changing to fit your own specific needs.

It's so much easier to blame politicians and others, and play the victim role, than take the initiative to make a change - even in a small way - like this person did:

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Sea-garbage-removed-from-Elliott-Bay-by-West-Seattle-woman-142869095.html

Everyone has a choice. Which one is yours?

[Root beer]

Heard on the radio today, when oil goes up $10 a barrel gas goes up an average of .45 a gal. When it drops $10 a barrel gas goes down an average of .03

I have a hard time believing this. Soon as I finish up my audit report, Eastman Kodak bankrupcty report, some government accounting, and something else I'm going to look into this. If you look at gas price in U.S. on a monthly average you'll be hard pressed to find an average of .45 cent rise!!.. I would call the radio station and ask how they crunch this data, if they don't give it out, change radio station....

[slonezp]

I have a hard time believing this. Soon as I finish up my audit report, Eastman Kodak bankrupcty report, some government accounting, and something else I'm going to look into this. If you look at gas price in U.S. on a monthly average you'll be hard pressed to find an average of .45 cent rise!!.. I would call the radio station and ask how they crunch this data, if they don't give it out, change radio station....

This was a guest being nterviewed. Don't recall his name but the interview was political.

edit Here's something I found

http://www.dailyfina...ut-fall-slowly/

http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/25/6527434-why-gas-prices-go-up-much-faster-than-they-come-down