Super User Hooligan Posted March 1, 2012 Super User Posted March 1, 2012 LOL, what's funny is NO ONE is complaining about Zillions not changing one iota, and now are $90 more than when they were introduced. Absolutely. I also love that everyone is an expert on it because they own one reel. Cracks me up. Then again, the reason no one complains about Zillions is that only the educated are fishing them in the first place. Not every guy that buys a Citica is going to know just how good the Zillion is, ya know? Quote
LuckyHandsINC. Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 Absolutely. I also love that everyone is an expert on it because they own one reel. Cracks me up. Then again, the reason no one complains about Zillions is that only the educated are fishing them in the first place. Not every guy that buys a Citica is going to know just how good the Zillion is, ya know? My zillion is by far my least favorite reel behind MGX obviously, but also pat.XT, team lews,old premier, tourney pro. I think I would take any $200-$250 reel from any manufacturer over a zillion. Everywhere i look there is people praising it and I just dont get it. It is the reason I will probably mever buy another daiwa except for maybe a steez if i can find one for under $400. Quote
BassmanDan Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 LOL, what's funny is NO ONE is complaining about Zillions not changing one iota, and now are $90 more than when they were introduced. No complaints here because I got a Zillion two years ago...only reel I've ever owned that's two years old and worth 90 bucks more than I paid for it! As for the Curado's...I got two E7's at Gander mtn last Black Friday for $119..I was the first in the door that morning and wish I would have bought the other ten they had left! Great reel. Quote
Rangerjoe Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 I love the Zillion, but I don't get all worked up on sub $200.00 reels. Quote
Boogey Man Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Absolutely. I also love that everyone is an expert on it because they own one reel. Cracks me up. Then again, the reason no one complains about Zillions is that only the educated are fishing them in the first place. Not every guy that buys a Citica is going to know just how good the Zillion is, ya know? Thinly veiled insults, that's pretty good. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted March 2, 2012 Super User Posted March 2, 2012 Thinly veiled insults, that's pretty good. I have no idea what you're talking about > 1 Quote
Boogey Man Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I have no idea what you're talking about > my mistake then, I thought the part about only owning one reel and being an expert on it was directed towards me. Again, my mistake Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted March 4, 2012 Super User Posted March 4, 2012 my mistake then, I thought the part about only owning one reel and being an expert on it was directed towards me. Again, my mistake No, it was a very general statement. It's more directed at those that have no real history of the reel, or the company and its product in general. It wasn't directed at any one person. Quote
OldCFO Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I lurk here a lot, but I don't usually feel like I have more to add to the discussion that what has already been said by others. I actually had to make an account for this one. When a company makes marketing decisions, they craft the narrative that will go along with it. Sometimes they even believe it, but that part is 100% optional. Does it become "truth", simply because it is the official position of the company? Does "New and Improved" really mean that something is really new, or that it will really do anything noticeably better? There are two old sayings that come to mind about this situation. The first is: "Who are you gonna believe... me, or your lyin' eyes?" The second is, "Don't p*** on my head and tell me it's raining."  We can see and feel that this Curado is not what the old ones were. We're not stupid. So the question many of you should really be asking is, If you totally cheapen a well-known product, to the point that it's something totally different, is it really still the same product? Or is it a new, lower-end product, riding on the popularity of the old name? What Shimano just did was give a bunch of other brands a free shot at their reputation and brand loyalty. If you doubt it, go look what happened when GM re-packaged a Chevy Cavalier and called it a Cadillac (Cimarron) - and make sure and look at how much that move helped BMW, Volvo, and Audi. I know Shimano has always had their low-end weekender products. But this time they cannibalized perhaps the most well-known and respected name in the industry. Customers don't forgive that.  And don't tell me about "platform", or that this material is "just as good" as the other. If it was really better, they would have given it a new name, and sold it at a higher price. They made it a lot cheaper, and then gave it a slightly lower price. We're supposed to be so happy about getting a genuine Curado for 20 bucks less, that we will buy them in mass quantities and say Thank You.  Good luck with that. Quote
OldCFO Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 BTW - I've got several old (metal) Bantam 10X reels that are what, 20 years old? I've absolutely beaten them to death in salt water, every single year since they were new. I replaced the bushings with bearings, and if my casts are any shorter than with my Curados, it's not by much. Last year I brought about a 50-lb. tarpon to boat with one, while anchored at the Port O'Connor jetties. (In other words, didn't chase him with the boat.) I take care of them, and I fully expect that I will wear out before they do.  So, please, don't tell me that plastic is "just as good". It isn't. It just isn't. I'm not pretending that the Bantams are as smooth as the Curados. So how about you stop pretending that plastic isn't cheaper than metal? Or that a new Curado is really still a Curado. Or that a new Chronarch is really still a Chronarch. Either that, or explain to people why Curado E7's are actually going up in price... if you can find someone to sell you one. Quote
bass1980 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather pay $200 for a very slightly upgraded Curado E than pay $160 for a downgrade Curado G. You know why, because I just bought 3 slightly upgraded Curado E's which is now called Chronarch E lol. Can you imagine Toyota making the #1 selling car, their Camry into a leather seated Corolla and hoped their consumers would be ok with that? Quote
stkbassn Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I don't have time to read all of the responses today but I thought I would chime in as an owner of two of the G's and E's as well as a couple of Chronarch E's... All I can say is that I am very impressed with the G series despite the differences. Those G's are super quiet, smooth, and cast a frickin' mile. I love Shimano period. The Citica's, Curados, and Chronarchs are all great. I've always been a fan of the Curado and still love it best....just do. I also like the G being available in all of the gear ratios and not just the 5 and 7. Â The G series is great! 1 Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted July 30, 2013 Author Super User Posted July 30, 2013 I don't have time to read all of the responses today but I thought I would chime in as an owner of two of the G's and E's as well as a couple of Chronarch E's... All I can say is that I am very impressed with the G series despite the differences. Those G's are super quiet, smooth, and cast a frickin' mile. I love Shimano period. The Citica's, Curados, and Chronarchs are all great. I've always been a fan of the Curado and still love it best....just do. I also like the G being available in all of the gear ratios and not just the 5 and 7. Â The G series is great! Â Â AGREED!! I could have written this word for word myself. I have the E's, the G's and the Chronarchs. Love em all, absolutely no complaints. I could not have said this when I first started this topic. Didn't have copies of all the reels. NOW I DO! Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's covered with mud!! Â Hootie 1 Quote
Capt.Bob Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013  it's about,,,,,well I won't even go there this thread is hilarious,,,,wasn't designed to be a 199 dollar reel,,,,the Impala wasn't designed to be a 5000 dollar car let alone 30,000 dollars, maybe they should downgrade it to Vega quality but still call it an Impala,,,,hell it's still a Chevy, Quote
Super User tomustang Posted July 30, 2013 Super User Posted July 30, 2013 it's about,,,,,well I won't even go there this thread is hilarious,,,,wasn't designed to be a 199 dollar reel,,,,the Impala wasn't designed to be a 5000 dollar car let alone 30,000 dollars, maybe they should downgrade it to Vega quality but still call it an Impala,,,,hell it's still a Chevy, It's been around 8 years since I heard someone mention a Vega Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted July 30, 2013 Author Super User Posted July 30, 2013 It's been around 8 years since I heard someone mention a Vega How about a Pinto, or, HEY, a Maverick...lol Hootie 1 Quote
Super User tomustang Posted July 30, 2013 Super User Posted July 30, 2013 Ain't nothing wrong with a maverick! 1 Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted July 30, 2013 Author Super User Posted July 30, 2013 You know, I started this thread back in February. I thought it was dead. This thing is like Freddie Kruger...lol. Â Hootie Quote
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 30, 2013 Super User Posted July 30, 2013 You know, I started this thread back in February. I thought it was dead. This thing is like Freddie Kruger...lol.  Hootie  I think its time for you to put the glove back on! lol 1 Quote
bass1980 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 I know people say there's nothing wrong with the G. It performs well. Sure it does but how about this. If I send you my Curado G's for your E's I bet you wouldn't do that trade. Send me your E I'll gladly send you my G. Quote
Khong Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 I know people say there's nothing wrong with the G. It performs well. Sure it does but how about this. If I send you my Curado G's for your E's I bet you wouldn't do that trade. Send me your E I'll gladly send you my G. Â I love my 201E. Â Bought them when they were going out and got them for $100. Â Â Sorry, i'm a lefty. Â I just don't see a point in switching hand. Â I've paired them with my new St.Croix Legend Tournament rods after I got rid of my Duckett rods. Â Quote
bass1980 Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 I'm a lefty too . I'm just messing around with the trade because I know nobody will take that offer. That is why the E is clearly better than the G. I was just making a point. That being there's nothing wrong with the G, its just not the reel the E is and I do have both. Quote
Super User lmbfisherman Posted July 31, 2013 Super User Posted July 31, 2013 AGREED!! I could have written this word for word myself. I have the E's, the G's and the Chronarchs. Love em all, absolutely no complaints. I could not have said this when I first started this topic. Didn't have copies of all the reels. NOW I DO! Just because it's different, doesn't mean it's covered with mud!!  Hootie x3 I have all three too. Love fishing them all..for some reason though everyone says it's a white Curado (Chronarch E), but to me it seems to perform smoother than my Curado Es. Quote
sarcazmo Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Sorry to hijack the thread but... Â Is the new Ci4 going to completely replace the Chronarch E or will they be @ 2 price points? Â Any word on if a new(er) curado replacement will be coming out? Â Just got a bnib chronarch 200e for a smoking deal... First shimano reel... Lets see what all the hype is about. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted July 31, 2013 Super User Posted July 31, 2013 As far as I know, it's no and no. I thought I read the CI4 will be $270ish. Quote
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