Super User Deleted account Posted February 21, 2012 Super User Posted February 21, 2012 Fishing while doing a handstand and holding the rod between your butt cheeks would also make it more challenging, no? Quote
Bryce C Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 There are no magic lures, there are only tools to add to the arsenal that already exists. This thing catches fish because it represents a major food source for bass that nothing else out there represents as well. It catches suspended fish that are hard to fire up with a single bait more efficiently, what's not to like about that. I think the people who are opposed to this rig are people who haven't gone out and thrown it. It's not going to wipe out whole populations of fish, it doesn't increase fish mortality, it's not doubles and triples and quads or even singles on every cast.........that would be a magic lure. I have had days where a jig or a crank have out fished the a rig and I have had ONE day where it was the only thing I could get bit on. I haven't had any foul hooked fish even though they absolutely crash through this imitation school of baitfish. My post isn't aimed at anyone in particular, i'm just tired of hearing all the naysayers complain, all of whom have not personally used the rig. I just don't see the catch and keep guys buying a rig to throw this one bait on let alone having the persistence to throw it for hours or going to buy another after they lose the first $25 bait. The umbrella rig is just another tool in the box.......the luster will wear off soon enough and those that have given it a try will still be fishing it. I found this video very helpful when I first started thinking about throwing the rig. 1 Quote
Super User tomustang Posted February 21, 2012 Super User Posted February 21, 2012 I think the people who are opposed to this rig are people who haven't gone out and thrown it Well of course, I also oppose heroin, but I don't need to try it to know I don't like it. Quote
Bryce C Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 Well of course, I also oppose heroin, but I don't need to try it to know I don't like it. lets compare apples to apples not a rigs to heroin Quote
Super User tomustang Posted February 21, 2012 Super User Posted February 21, 2012 Who said we're comparing heroin to bait, I am further backing up opposition. No one needs to try it to knock it. Quote
Bryce C Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 true, but I think you should try it before you compare it to dynamite or cast nets.........just isn't so Quote
mr.mallard Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 it took 28 lbs to win a tournament this weekend launching out of JP coleman on pickwick this weekend. winners had a big fish of 11 lbs... I asked my buddy what they caught em on, and all he said was "the rig" Quote
msolorio Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 imo the a rig is hit or miss. your either gonna kill em or your not. i fished a tourny this past saturday and my boater threw the a rig almost allllll day and caught one fish weighing just over a pound. that seems to be happening a lot around here so imo its not the end all be all of baits, just another tool and like just another tool itll work some days and others it wont. Quote
TommyBass Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 Its causing a circus among the copy cat band wagon fisherman, thats for sure. Its funny to watch all of the wanna-bes chucking and winding huge metal umbrellas. That being said, I think the bait has definate potential... too much so. If you hear people at the Amateur level 'drastically' increasing their catch, then its not good for the sport or the game. If any hillbilly can run out to the local resevoir and chuck this thing at schooling bass, and catch lots of large ones, something is wrong. Corked bats hit more home runs, that dosn't mean they should be used. Heck, why use wood bats, lets give them all light weight aluminum ones with a 3x bigger sweet spot. Whats next for bass fishing? Legalize long line trolling? Casting nets? Lets 6 pole spider rig drop shots on some deep western resevoir bass! Comon... The rig will flat catch fish in some scenarios, especially some of these larger resevoirs whom have large open water schools of bait. No, it wont be a cure all in ALL lakes, but thats not the point. I think BASS got it right when saying they were 'above that' at that level. Why keep it to that level? I think that should be a large consideration to every man who calls him self a fisherman and stuard of nature. I personally hope to see the thing outlawed, at least in all tournament use. Most likely it can be used in recreational fishing for some time to come, depending on the state, but thats a different matter. And please stop calling it the Alabama rig, that makes it even more bandwagonesk. Its an umbrella rig, and they've been around forever. Just not mass marketed to the huge bass fishing market. Quote
jig Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 Its causing a circus among the copy cat band wagon fisherman, thats for sure. Its funny to watch all of the wanna-bes chucking and winding huge metal umbrellas. That being said, I think the bait has definate potential... too much so. If you hear people at the Amateur level 'drastically' increasing their catch, then its not good for the sport or the game. If any hillbilly can run out to the local resevoir and chuck this thing at schooling bass, and catch lots of large ones, something is wrong. Corked bats hit more home runs, that dosn't mean they should be used. Heck, why use wood bats, lets give them all light weight aluminum ones with a 3x bigger sweet spot. Whats next for bass fishing? Legalize long line trolling? Casting nets? Lets 6 pole spider rig drop shots on some deep western resevoir bass! Comon... The rig will flat catch fish in some scenarios, especially some of these larger resevoirs whom have large open water schools of bait. No, it wont be a cure all in ALL lakes, but thats not the point. I think BASS got it right when saying they were 'above that' at that level. Why keep it to that level? I think that should be a large consideration to every man who calls him self a fisherman and stuard of nature. I personally hope to see the thing outlawed, at least in all tournament use. Most likely it can be used in recreational fishing for some time to come, depending on the state, but thats a different matter. And please stop calling it the Alabama rig, that makes it even more bandwagonesk. Its an umbrella rig, and they've been around forever. Just not mass marketed to the huge bass fishing market. x2 been using them for 35 yrs in salt water commercial fishing.They are a dummy bait in my oppinion and shouldnt be allowed in tourneys period.Might as well allow live bait in tourneys also if you can use those rigs Quote
Dave P Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 I'm intruigued by it, I'm not gonna lie. Quote
skeetercraig Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 im gonna give the alabama slammer a try ,i see it could be good but our lakes have way to many weeds to be throwin it in less than 15 ft so that will limit its use around here , this thing will probably end up bein a pike catcher in our lakes lol Quote
JIGFISHERMAN. Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Its causing a circus among the copy cat band wagon fisherman, thats for sure. Its funny to watch all of the wanna-bes chucking and winding huge metal umbrellas. It is a way to catch fish that is new. Guys are jumping all over it because they know if they don't everyone else will. And by the time they DO start using it, the fish will be getting used to it. Gotta cash in on the new technique before everybody and his brother puts it in front of every fish in the lake. It is so popular, that eventually it's effectiveness will start to taper off, once conditioning happens. And conditioning WILL happen. It can't NOT happen with the kind of popularity it has. Quote
HookSetDon Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Its causing a circus among the copy cat band wagon fisherman, thats for sure. Its funny to watch all of the wanna-bes chucking and winding huge metal umbrellas. That being said, I think the bait has definate potential... too much so. If you hear people at the Amateur level 'drastically' increasing their catch, then its not good for the sport or the game. If any hillbilly can run out to the local resevoir and chuck this thing at schooling bass, and catch lots of large ones, something is wrong. Corked bats hit more home runs, that dosn't mean they should be used. Heck, why use wood bats, lets give them all light weight aluminum ones with a 3x bigger sweet spot. Whats next for bass fishing? Legalize long line trolling? Casting nets? Lets 6 pole spider rig drop shots on some deep western resevoir bass! Comon... The rig will flat catch fish in some scenarios, especially some of these larger resevoirs whom have large open water schools of bait. No, it wont be a cure all in ALL lakes, but thats not the point. I think BASS got it right when saying they were 'above that' at that level. Why keep it to that level? I think that should be a large consideration to every man who calls him self a fisherman and stuard of nature. I personally hope to see the thing outlawed, at least in all tournament use. Most likely it can be used in recreational fishing for some time to come, depending on the state, but thats a different matter. And please stop calling it the Alabama rig, that makes it even more bandwagonesk. Its an umbrella rig, and they've been around forever. Just not mass marketed to the huge bass fishing market. x3 Quote
HookSetDon Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 I dont like the sounds of this rig and fear it may change bass fishing, whats next? I sent an email to the director of a tournament trail in my area explaining the many points those of you have posted on how this could negatively affect our sport. like B.A.S.S. i hope they do the same. Quote
Red Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 I haven't tried this rig, and don't plan to. Not because I am against it or anything, and I do have the gear to throw it if I wanted. For me, it just seems like a hassle! I just want to tie on my crank or jig and fish, not worry about wires and swivels and five baits and umbrellas and whatever else!! Cliff Quote
Super User slonezp Posted February 22, 2012 Super User Posted February 22, 2012 If everyone is using them, does that make the playing field level? Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 22, 2012 Author Super User Posted February 22, 2012 I find it kinda interesting that all of the negative comments come from guys who have never fished the rig. 1 Quote
Flukeman Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 The thing is just a tool for certain situations. It is no different than the "idiot bait" the Senko style lures that made everyone a bass fisherman. The world will not end!!! A couple of very accomplished fishermen gave them a work out last fall during our schooling season with mixed results. Some days they were good, some days not. A lot will depend on your lake and what they prefer to forage on. Guys have been using these rigs in the northeast coastal areas for stripers and ocean fishing and it has not decimated their sport, bass fishing will survive as well. I will be making several of these to use during the season. One, because I am not paying $25 for a $6 bait. Two, we have to be able to adjust it, we share waters that do not allow you to throw five baits (Champlain, Canada). So I will have to make some with 4 baits and some with two baits in order to legally use it. Unless for some reason tournaments around here follow suit with BASS and ban it, not sure why they would. If they do, then I will throw my do nothing worms In the end if an adjustment needs to be made the Department of Environmental Conservation (in our area) and tournament directors will make the needed changes to sustain our sport. In the mean time, chuck and wind those babies, and if you are a co-angler in the back of the boat....DUCK Quote
River Rat316 Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Not against it or for it, it is illegal where I live and I am happy it is, that way I don't have to put up with any drama surrounding it, either in making it, marketing it, or fishing it! Quote
jeb2 Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 I find it kinda interesting that all of the negative comments come from guys who have never fished the rig. Shhhhhh! Let 'em think what they want. The less folks throwing it, the more fish I'll catch on it. Quote
TommyBass Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 @JigFisherman You are completely correct. Lakes that this works extra well on will require you to throw it to stay competitive. Thats just one more reason to ban it. Seriously, who wants to be forced to throw a lure that is so overly productive just to stay competitive. Your only deceision in those tournaments would be what color and weight to throw... awesome. Im not entirely conviced this technique will 'learn' the fish. What are bass going to do? Stop hitting schools of shad? Its instinctive and I think it will remain very effective for a long period of time... they arn't going to get HD eyes and tell whether its five real threadfin in a ball or 5 fake ones... too much movement and confusion. Maybe, but what are we going to get to? Where bass can't eat crayfish or shad because our presentations are so lifelike? @RoadWarrior I could say the exact same thing. I've personally tried the rig, it works, but I still don't like it. It seems the guys that really pull for this rig are the ones who have greatly increased their catch rate compared to without it. Really good fisherman won't need it, and 8 out of 10 serious anglers I've talked to completely agree that it has no place in formal competition. Its letting guys that usually only bring in 1 or 2 keepers a tourney fill their limits up in only a couple hours. And just as @JigFisherman said, its forcing these better anglers to throw the same thing just to keep up with the less skilled guys. Like I said in my earlier post, recreational would be fine, people don't keep bass for eating really anyway. We arn't going to over fish our lakes because of it. Its the competitive aspect where its evening the field, even for guys with ALOT less skill. As of now, here in Indiana most C.O.s consider it legal even though there is only a 2 hook per line law. They consider it 1 "lure", just as you would a Spook with 9 hooks (3 trebles). I've heard they are going to throw down an official ruling on it (since its not actually covered in law) sometime soon, which would help alot in tournaments being regulated by state laws. Won't help a thing in these lakes south of me though where you can basically fish with unlimited lines / hooks. Quote
jig Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 I find it kinda interesting that all of the negative comments come from guys who have never fished the rig. ive fished it for thirty or more years in salt water. I ll stick by saying its a dummy bait with multiple hooks that shouldnt be allowed in fresh water ! Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 22, 2012 Author Super User Posted February 22, 2012 I know a lot of tournament fishermen feel the same way about the Senko when "lesser skilled" anglers win tournaments. I guess it's a little like playing poker with a joker in the deck or dueces wild. On the other hand, adding a little spice to the competition gives a chance to some guys that don't have one! When they're losing, nobody seems to mind taking their money. As far as the "dummy bait" argument goes, I want to know how skilled a guy needs to be to fish a lipless crankbait, jitterbug or spinnerbait? I realize some guys have a knack or can do something special, but for most of us it is just cast and crank. 1 Quote
jig Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 thats why the cast and crank guys for the most part dont win or even place much ! Quote
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