BIGD76 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I am looking for a good squarebill rod but I also would like to be able to throw spinnerbaits and buzzbaits with it. I have been told to get the shimano crucial 7 foot med heavy. Does anybody have one? Quote
l3rd Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 Even if anyone does, it's likely the older one. The new ones are IM10, and are comparable to the 200.00 Cumara line as they use the same blank. It's more rod for the money than any rod that I know of. Beyond that, currently they have a no questions asked return policy. That can change at any time as in writing they have the normal materials and workmanship warranty. Even that though is lifetime, and not for a few months or a year. If you go to Tackle Warehouse and look at the reviews for the Cumara casting rod, which is now pretty much the new Crucial, you can get an idea of what others think. Quote
LuckyHandsINC. Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 The new crucials are very good rods for the price . However they are certainly not almost the same rod as the cumara. Quote
KevO Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I have 2 crucial crankbait rods (previous model) a 7' MH and 6'6" M. IMO they are some of the best crankin rods made. I personally would not throw spinner/buzzbaits on them but thats because I like a stouter rod for that, like a 7' M/F. They just don't have the backbone I like for those type of baits. I can't speak for the new model, but I can say they are not the same as the Cumara. I have 7'11 Cumara crankbait rod and it is amazing. Quote
endless Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I have a last year model 7' M-MF Crucial crankbait rod rod that I like allot. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted February 17, 2012 Super User Posted February 17, 2012 I've got the new Cruical in the 7-1 and it's a beast. Very good all around crank rod, one that I wouldn't hesitate to fish spinnerbaits or buzzbaits on, it's got enough tip to do it. It's also a great squarebill rod. Quote
l3rd Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 The new crucials are very good rods for the price . However they are certainly not almost the same rod as the cumara. Shimano says it's the same blank, so only the reel seat handle and eyes are different, ergo, IMO, it's nearly the same rod.... YMMV Quote
LuckyHandsINC. Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 The crucial uses different resins in the blank. They are just as important as the graphite itself. Using a lower quality resin make it heavier,less sensitive,and less balanced. They are far from being the same rod. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted February 18, 2012 Super User Posted February 18, 2012 Shimano says it's the same blank, so only the reel seat handle and eyes are different, ergo, IMO, it's nearly the same rod.... YMMV They do not say it's the same blank. They say it is an IM10 blank, the same graphite used in the Cumara. The same graphite and the same blank are two very, very different things. Quote
l3rd Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 They do not say it's the same blank. They say it is an IM10 blank, the same graphite used in the Cumara. The same graphite and the same blank are two very, very different things. My inattention to detail is showing... Thanks for the correction! Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted February 18, 2012 Super User Posted February 18, 2012 My inattention to detail is showing... Thanks for the correction! No worries, but in that sort of thing it isn't about semantics, it's about very specific things. We'll all make similar or the same misakes in our lives, luckily it wasn't life threatenting. This time. Quote
Bassyak Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 I have the 7' MH Crankbait and 6'8" Topwater, both Mod-Fast, both the new 2012 models. I love them. I've had the older models in Crucial and Compre, and loved them too. I like the sensitivity in the graphite for cranking. I was initially wary about the split EVA grips, but now that I have them in hand, they're extremely comfortable and the new reel seats provide great feel, especially for smaller hands like mine. Personally, I prefer a MH or H, Fast action for squarebills (and blade baits, for that matter), especially in heavy wood cover, but the MH/MF will certainly get the job done. I don't have a Cumara to compare it to, but it's definitely a great rod for the money. No complaints on my end. The 5lber in my avatar was landed with the 6'8" on a RC STX jerkbait last month. Quote
l3rd Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 No worries, but in that sort of thing it isn't about semantics, it's about very specific things. We'll all make similar or the same misakes in our lives, luckily it wasn't life threatenting. This time. I knew I read it somewhere, this is from Tackle Tour, and Robby is the Shimano guy who designed the Crucial, "same carbon or construction" was the line and the article gives a context that implies that they are the same as well. Obviously they will differ a little as any 2 or more rods within a common line would, but they apparently are otherwise the same, except as I mentioned, and as Robby mentions, in the components. "Robby: My goal when designing the new Crucial was that I wanted the same carbon or construction of Cumara. We achieved that with these new rods and the major difference between the two is in the components. Again something that at times is overlooked but Crucial comes with Fuji Alconite and Cumara comes with Fuji SIC." Some say the resin is different, but that is hearsay as far as I know. They could be using epoxy resin in the Cumara, which might explain why so many complain that they break on hook-set, as epoxy is pretty brittle, but as I said, that is hearsay to the best of my knowledge. Link follows: http://www.tackletour.com/interviewrobbygantcrucial.html Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted February 19, 2012 Super User Posted February 19, 2012 Dan Thorburn, from Shimano, has confirmed they are not the same. The resins are entirely different. The resin in the Cumara isn't epoxy, either. It's a different matrix. Quote
l3rd Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Dan Thorburn, from Shimano, has confirmed they are not the same. The resins are entirely different. The resin in the Cumara isn't epoxy, either. It's a different matrix. I didn't really think it would be epoxy as it's so brittle. Sounds like Mr. Robby Gant needs to be a little more cautious in his wording as he certainly makes it sound like they differ only in their hardware. Thanks again for the clarification. So far I am really happy with my new Crucial spinning rod. Before I bought it, my Compre baitcasters were the only Shimano rods I have owned. Of course the weather has kept me from using the Crucial extensively as yet, but it's been on the water twice and I have bank fished a stream with it several times since purchasing it. All I have caught with it so far have been small bass, crappie, and bluegill. While I have always admired the Cumara's, I have been unable to rationalize the need for such an expensive rod. Perhaps if I fished tournaments I could do so, but if I don't catch a fish, it's not like my freezer is not well enough stocked.... Quote
Barry Joesph Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Guys. I bought a brand new Diawa P something (older baitcaster but still new. Crazy) with a 7 foot Shimano Crucial crankbait/topwater rod for 20bucks How do I know what year these were made both are fantastic looking. Compared to how.everything nowadays looks exactly the same. Can anyone tell me how to tell how.old this.rod and reel is? Edited October 31, 2018 by Barry Joesph Forgot something Quote
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