Super User J Francho Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 Will the Elites be able to use these during non tournament hours, for example prefishing or practice? Quote
CJ Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Will the Elites be able to use these during non tournament hours, for example prefishing or practice? The first sentence of the article reads,"during practice and competition". Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted January 25, 2012 Author BassResource.com Administrator Posted January 25, 2012 C'mon kids, this is fishing. No need to be calling each other names - or get your feelings all ruffled up. If you can't be civil, then it's time to just walk away from this thread. Geez, I hate it when I have to talk to adults like that! Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 The first sentence of the article reads,"during practice and competition". Thanks! Should have just reread the article, LOL. Quote
CJ Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Thanks! Should have just reread the article, LOL. I do stuff like that all the time. I've been wondering myself how exactly the rule will be written. An A-rig that would only have one hook would still be a great lure. Most of the time when I catch just one fish, it will be on the center swimbait. Plus I've noticed when it gets short struck, if I'll kill the rig the fish will usually come back for it. To me, what makes the rig so deadly goes back to how efficient a mature bass is. One baitfish may not be worth a chase but 5 of em'? I wonder if it will be legal to put dummy (hookless) lures on the rig. This would also make the rig much more weedless. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 In Tennessee multiple blades are considered to be part of a single "packaged" lure. Seperate blades, regardless of whether they have hooks, are considered "lures". In this case, the rig in question would not be legal in this state. Tennessee is currently reviewing the specific rules for multiple presentations. At this time the limit is 3. Link to video with TWRA explaining what is legal in Tennessee http://www.tomstrail.50webs.com/ Quote
CJ Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 That's a good video for the TN anglers RW. I would say a must see for TN anglers who are planning on fishing the rig. Still it is saying a rig with 5 lures but only 1 hook is legal (3:30 into the video). Also noticed how they were saying the umbrella rig was killing stripers yet they haven't noticed this to be a problem with bass. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 Watch the video again. "Decoys" count as lures, with or without hooks. Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 Watch the video again. "Decoys" count as lures, with or without hooks. If that's the case, then this makes a spinnerbait illegal or it unfairly singles out the A-rig, no? Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 No. A "packaged" lure with multiple blades is considered "one lure". Quote
CJ Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Watch the video again. "Decoys" count as lures, with or without hooks. I did. At 3:30-4:30 into the video, he shows a rig with 4 dummies and one lure featuring a hook. He says it's legal beens it features only one hook. I do see where he is saying you can't have 2 dummies plus 3 hooked lures. I think they are leaving some gray area. Still I'm wondering how BASS is going to interpet their rule as far as the use of dummy lures on the rig when they fish where it's not prohibited. Quote
Bass XL Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 We cant use it in Missouri,But i cant remember a stir like this in the bass fishing world in a long time.Theres good points on both sides. Yes you can, only 3 out of the 5 may contain hooks though. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 I'm just imagining a spinnerbait with a long arm and lots of blades spread out. Quote
piscicidal Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 That's the comment I made before on this thread...I wonder what BASS would say about a six-bladed spinnerbait? Because the way I see it, there is no functional difference between a six-bladed spinnerbait and an A-rig with five "decoys" and one center bait with a hook. Unless BASS is going to start legislating what the distance between blades on a spinnerbait can be... Quote
bigbassctchr101 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 That's the comment I made before on this thread...I wonder what BASS would say about a six-bladed spinnerbait? Because the way I see it, there is no functional difference between a six-bladed spinnerbait and an A-rig with five "decoys" and one center bait with a hook. Unless BASS is going to start legislating what the distance between blades on a spinnerbait can be... The current law in Tennessee, as it reads, says that each blade of a spinner bait would be considered as a bait. But, that has recently been clarified. Quote
brushhoggin Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 i like a local pro's point of view. he says "It's no different than any technique that comes out and produces fish right away, like the Chatterbait. New lures come out strong, then as time progresses, the fad dies off and it goes away. Are we going to start outlawing every new bait that comes out and is successful? I hope not." His concerns also go beyond competition."My big thing is that we need things to stimulate interest in our industry," he said. "People run out, buy it and that generates excitement in the business, and for years people have complained that the industry has been too stagnant." Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted January 25, 2012 Super User Posted January 25, 2012 Of course a pro wants things which stimulate the industry. It is to the benefit of the vendors and pros. The more popular the sport, the more profitable the sport. Think about it this way. You are a weekend warrior, or maybe fish several times per week. For those of us able to get out other than weekends, I can tell you this. It is much nicer fishing on weekdays when the lake isn't full of other fishermen, and an armada of recreational boats, just out cruising or zooming around. Having said that, I do not begrudge anyone from the jetboat set to the party barges enjoying the water and my having to share it with them. We are often as much a nuisance to them as they are to us. Living near Cape Cod the ponds are busiest between the Fourth of July and Labor Day with weekends being the absolute worst as far as boat traffic goes. The fewer the boats, the more freedom I have to access all areas of the pond. From a purely selfish perspective, I don't want to see more boats and more fishing pressure. It does me no good whatever. While stimulating the industry is good for vendors and pros, it's not as good for the recreational fisherman. I love the overcast, drizzly, days for fishing. Not as much activity. Quote
mrbassky Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 After reading alot about this subject the past couple taking time to sit back and reflect I can say without a doubt this is the dumbest decision BASS has ever made. Its just another example of how FLW gets it and BASS doesn't. What are the arguements for making it illegal? Well fish cant help themselves its too easy. Well by that reasoning you could have made lots of new techniques illegal. What about flipping? you think if they had a similar rules committee years ago and a few select guys were spanking everybody flipping that you might have some guys say its too easy. In certain situations you cant beat flipping. How is that different? How different woudl bass fishing be without flipping? If its an arguement about the safety of the bass then only allow one bait to have a hook in it. Thats pretty simple. I dont want to see everybody throwing the same thing. Well by that arguement lots of baits would be illegal. How many tournaments are everybody sight fishing? so what if they are using different lures by that comparison they were all using different swimbaits on the Arig I just havent heard many good arguements to make it illegal. I think the dissadvantages of making it illegal will outweigh the advantages. Quote
Diggy Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Almost bought one today from Dicks Sporting goods but Im not sure if my rods will hold up to that weight Quote
robdob Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 After reading alot about this subject the past couple taking time to sit back and reflect I can say without a doubt this is the dumbest decision BASS has ever made. Its just another example of how FLW gets it and BASS doesn't. What are the arguements for making it illegal? Well fish cant help themselves its too easy. Well by that reasoning you could have made lots of new techniques illegal. What about flipping? you think if they had a similar rules committee years ago and a few select guys were spanking everybody flipping that you might have some guys say its too easy. In certain situations you cant beat flipping. How is that different? How different woudl bass fishing be without flipping? If its an arguement about the safety of the bass then only allow one bait to have a hook in it. Thats pretty simple. I dont want to see everybody throwing the same thing. Well by that arguement lots of baits would be illegal. How many tournaments are everybody sight fishing? so what if they are using different lures by that comparison they were all using different swimbaits on the Arig I just havent heard many good arguements to make it illegal. I think the dissadvantages of making it illegal will outweigh the advantages. the only argument you need is that it is five lures not one.. how can you be so close minded to not see that. flipping =one lure chatterbait=one lure sight fishing=one lure not real sure how you could possibly not see the difference. Quote
robdob Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 That's the comment I made before on this thread...I wonder what BASS would say about a six-bladed spinnerbait? Because the way I see it, there is no functional difference between a six-bladed spinnerbait and an A-rig with five "decoys" and one center bait with a hook. Unless BASS is going to start legislating what the distance between blades on a spinnerbait can be... a bass can not swallow a blade off of a spinnerbait, a bass can swallow a swimbait off of an alabama rig without a hook and that is a death sentence for the fish. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 31, 2012 Super User Posted January 31, 2012 I think wacky rigged Senkos are unsporting. The incidence of deep/gut hooking is very high, they take zero skill to fish, they pollute the waters, and any left in the lake can kill fish if eaten. 1 Quote
robdob Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Your argument is flawed. First, I have used it on schooling bass on Lake Okeechobee numerous times and if you read my other post on the subject it did not catch ten times more fish than anything else, was it more productive at times? Yes Your argument hinges on the statement "I has five lures at a time how is that ethical." What is your logic behind this statement? Is it because 5 lures with hooks greatly increases your chances of hooking a fish? If that is the case why not argue that only one of the 5 lures can be have a hook and the rest are hookless acting as a schooling bait ball? No, I am not an Elite Angler, but what does that have to do with it? FLW and even B.A.S.S. Open tournaments with "professional anglers" have not restricted the use of the Umbrella rig or Alabama Rig. FLW states the following: "We believe professional anglers deserve more credit than that. We believe their skill and intuition will not be undercut by a baitfish-imitating technique that helps less experienced anglers catch fish when otherwise they might not. Will it force some pros to elevate their game and adapt? Of course it will. Just like GPS, side-imaging sonar, sight-fishing, shallow-water anchors and countless lure, line and rod innovations have done over the years. Buzzbaits and ChatterBaits were once considered radical, as were flipping and sight-fishing. But they are all simply tools of the trade now. The same will hold true for Alabama Rigs. It’s not the end of fishing as we know it." I would also like an apology for insinuating that I am either a liar or crazy, maybe not the crazy part. You can disapprove of people's opinion, but using the public forum to slander is classless in my opinion. okeechobee is not a deep enough lake to have suspending fish behaving the way that makes them likely to want the alabama rig. schooling bass and suspended schooling bass begave differently. . therefore my point stands and i owe you no apology. do you due research before arguing. buzzbaits, flipping, chatterbaits and sight fishing are one lure techniques. not five lure techniques that is the HUGE difference between this and all other techniques. Quote
piscicidal Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 a bass can not swallow a blade off of a spinnerbait, a bass can swallow a swimbait off of an alabama rig without a hook and that is a death sentence for the fish. I could fasten a swim bait to an A-rig to make it just as hard (or harder) to come off as a plastic coming off a hook. I have plastics being pulled off hooks all the time by bass. Should BASS outlaw soft plastics as a result? Of course the answer is no... That's not the issue here...No one is arguing against the A-rig on the basis of fish mortality. If so, I could make a much stronger case against multiple treble hook lures such as spooks. Quote
CAdeltaLipRipper Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 hm.i thought theyd eventually ban it lol Quote
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