Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted January 2, 2012 Author Super User Posted January 2, 2012 You guys have a great kicker, but you really need the TD's not the 3's. I couldn't agree more. Our kicker is one of the best in the league. Coach Jackson said earlier this year, it takes some of the stress off the offense knowing that in a close game all you have to do is get to the 50 to be within Janikowski's range. I just wish we didn't have to use him as much, as we do. Quote
Super User BrianinMD Posted January 2, 2012 Super User Posted January 2, 2012 Dilfer had a career pass completion over 50%, he would not win games but could be counted on to make a throw or two when necessary. Grossman is servicable just so inconsistant he cannot be trusted. Tebow is just horrible when he has to be a qb, his performance against some of the worst defense in the league proves that. Any other qb performing like he has would have been benched. 1 Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted January 2, 2012 Author Super User Posted January 2, 2012 Dilfer had a career pass completion over 50%, he would not win games but could be counted on to make a throw or two when necessary. Grossman is servicable just so inconsistant he cannot be trusted. Tebow is just horrible when he has to be a qb, his performance against some of the worst defense in the league proves that. Any other qb performing like he has would have been benched. I can't believe I'm actually going to say this. I think given a year or two Tebow will be a good qb. Hes young still and has some more learning to do. Not everyone can be Cam. 1 Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted January 2, 2012 Author Super User Posted January 2, 2012 Nice to see coach Jackson is as mad as the rest of us. I mean that man is absolutely livid over the way the defense played. Hopefully He can put us a second Soul Patrol together for next year. I know the original will ALWAYS be the BEST, but still it would be nice to see something similar. Quote
Northern Strain Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Grossman was not great, but very serviceable that year. He had better stats than Tebow in every category other than rushing yards. Tebow has 6 picks this year, to go along with 13 fumbles, not real good in his limited playing time, along with a sub 50% completion percentage. Grossman continues to have a career because he is a prototypical QB, whreas Tebow will have to conform to that for his career, as a QB, to continue. Elway will search for a QB this offseason, trade or draft, and if he can find one, Tebow will be gone. If you take away Tebow's views, you are left with a subpar QB that plays with a good defense, and has had some bad teams make poor decisions to help his team win a couple of games. Grossman: Super Bowl Year Played 8 games Passing--- 225 attempts 122 completions 54.1 comp% 1,411 pass yds 176.4 pass yds per game 4 pass TD 7 Int 66.4 qb rating Rushing--- 14 attempts 27 yds 0 tds 2 fumbles Tebow: 2011 Started 11 games Passing--- 271 att 126 comp 46.5 comp% 1,729 pass yds 157.2 yds game 12 pass tds 6 int 72.9 qb rating Rushing--- 122 att 660 yds 6 tds 6 fumbles Lets look at the facts. Tebow threw more tds than ints, grosman can't say that. Tebow has a better QBR. Tebow is also effective at running the ball which adds another dimension to his game. Tebow 7-4 as a starter. It just comes down to the fact that Tebow is a winner. His ability to come back in games is not somthing unique to his NFL career. He did it in High school, College, and on the Pro level now. It is almost unexplainable but he changes teams, it seems like he brings the best out in all his team mates, and they also believe in him. Look at what Orton did with that team this year 1 - 4, tebow takes over the same team and they go 7 - 4 down the stretch!!!! Are you kidding me when he took over the Broncos had no hope at making the playoffs... How bout you tell me how many teams start 1-4 and make the playoffs. His stats may not be great but he is a winner plain and simple and that is somthing that is undeniable. Grossman on the otherhand found ways to loose games. Tebow is for real, they are in the playoffs. Tom Brady and the girls in New England better not overlook him and the broncos because it is do or die now, Tebow will turn up the intensity and we are going to see him bring his game to the next level... Super Bowl anyone??? Quote
Northern Strain Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 btw the discrepency in fumbles between my numbers and deaknh03 is that Tebow fumbled 6 times as a runner and 7 when getting stripped while throwing, I just looked at the ones he had as a runner... espn broke it down that way Quote
Super User deaknh03 Posted January 3, 2012 Super User Posted January 3, 2012 13 fumbles either way, and I really wish Tebow was coming to Foxboro, but I assure you, Pittsburgh will make sure they don't. Quote
Northern Strain Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I guess we will find out sunday. I wouldnt overlook these Broncos, I think they will make things interesting. Quote
Super User deaknh03 Posted January 3, 2012 Super User Posted January 3, 2012 Grossman: Super Bowl Year Played 8 games Passing--- 225 attempts 122 completions 54.1 comp% 1,411 pass yds 176.4 pass yds per game 4 pass TD 7 Int 66.4 qb rating Rushing--- 14 attempts 27 yds 0 tds 2 fumbles Tebow: 2011 Started 11 games Passing--- 271 att 126 comp 46.5 comp% 1,729 pass yds 157.2 yds game 12 pass tds 6 int 72.9 qb rating Rushing--- 122 att 660 yds 6 tds 6 fumbles Lets look at the facts. Tebow threw more tds than ints, grosman can't say that. Tebow has a better QBR. Tebow is also effective at running the ball which adds another dimension to his game. Tebow 7-4 as a starter. It just comes down to the fact that Tebow is a winner. His ability to come back in games is not somthing unique to his NFL career. He did it in High school, College, and on the Pro level now. It is almost unexplainable but he changes teams, it seems like he brings the best out in all his team mates, and they also believe in him. Look at what Orton did with that team this year 1 - 4, tebow takes over the same team and they go 7 - 4 down the stretch!!!! Are you kidding me when he took over the Broncos had no hope at making the playoffs... How bout you tell me how many teams start 1-4 and make the playoffs. His stats may not be great but he is a winner plain and simple and that is somthing that is undeniable. Grossman on the otherhand found ways to loose games. Tebow is for real, they are in the playoffs. Tom Brady and the girls in New England better not overlook him and the broncos because it is do or die now, Tebow will turn up the intensity and we are going to see him bring his game to the next level... Super Bowl anyone??? Grossman played all 16 the super bowl year, 13-3. Did you pick his 8 worst games? Quote
Northern Strain Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 yeah my mistake I took the 2007-2008 season they went to the superbowl in 2006-2007 let me get those stats for you Quote
Northern Strain Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Grosman 2006 16 Games 262 comp 480 att 54.6 pct 3193 yds 23 td 20 int 73.9 QBR Rushing--- 24 att 2 yds 0 td 8 fumb Okay so he was better in 2006 than he was in 2007, and his QBR is 1 point better than Tebows however you still got to aknowledge that Tebow finds a way to win, while Grossman finds a way to loose. Tebows teammates and fans believe in him, Every one doubted Grossman as was evident when he got benched in 2007. I would take tebow 100% of the time over Grossman. Hate Tebow all you want, but just because he isnt standard QB doesnt mean he is awful. Look at how the game is changing you got guys like Cam Newton, Mike Vick, and Tim Tebow, who show that being a good quarterback isn't just about throwing. Granted the experts and purists want the qb to be an elite passer, but truth is the game is going full circle the way football began when the qb was much more than just a drop back passer, and that to me is so cool. Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted January 3, 2012 Author Super User Posted January 3, 2012 Grosman 2006 16 Games 262 comp 480 att 54.6 pct 3193 yds 23 td 20 int 73.9 QBR Rushing--- 24 att 2 yds 0 td 8 fumb Okay so he was better in 2006 than he was in 2007, and his QBR is 1 point better than Tebows however you still got to aknowledge that Tebow finds a way to win, while Grossman finds a way to loose. Tebows teammates and fans believe in him, Every one doubted Grossman as was evident when he got benched in 2007. I would take tebow 100% of the time over Grossman. Hate Tebow all you want, but just because he isnt standard QB doesnt mean he is awful. Look at how the game is changing you got guys like Cam Newton, Mike Vick, and Tim Tebow, who show that being a good quarterback isn't just about throwing. Granted the experts and purists want the qb to be an elite passer, but truth is the game is going full circle the way football began when the qb was much more than just a drop back passer, and that to me is so cool. Haters gonna hate, Homie. Like I stated before I HATE the Broncos, but enjoy watching Tebow play. Can't sway everyones opinion. People are gonna believe what they wanna believe. Quote
CAdeltaLipRipper Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 I agree with most of what you said, but the Broncos won the games, not Tebow, and throw in some lucky breaks. I really think Tebow could be a great QB, but he needs to work on being a QB, not an option back. HATERS GONNA HATE Quote
CAdeltaLipRipper Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Honestly right now i could care less for the nfl because im trying to vent my anger at the stanford lost to Osu.this year was my first year of college football and it is way more fun to watch and follow than the nfl. Honestly,Tebow is the reason why the nfl had as much excitement as it did this year. Quote
Packard Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Lions made the playoffs and msu won the outback bowl! Quote
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