flippin and pitchin Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Just finished watching the Texas Bass Classic. I laughed my butt off. I don't want to ruin it if you haven't seen it but the last 5 minutes is pricelss.
jeremyt Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Is there a web site where you can stream it, or is it only on the tube.
Super User Sam Posted December 17, 2011 Super User Posted December 17, 2011 It was a tie and the first angler to land a 14+ inch bass in overtime would be the winner. The other guy landed a 15-inch bass in 45-minutes and Ike came in second for the second year in a row. Have not seen the meltdown. How about posting the link to the video? Thanks and Merry Christmas.
Triton21 Posted December 18, 2011 Posted December 18, 2011 Don't have a link. Was on Versus this afternoon. It brought back memories of the Classic at Toho. Kelley
tnbassfisher Posted December 18, 2011 Posted December 18, 2011 Can't find it either, right now I think Rocky XVII is one Versus.
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 It was on earlier today but I had to leave half way through the show. Ike was leading by like 10 pounds. WTH happened?
flippin and pitchin Posted December 18, 2011 Author Posted December 18, 2011 It was on earlier today but I had to leave half way through the show. Ike was leading by like 10 pounds. WTH happened? So much for TEVO/DVR. Combs was down about 17 pounds with an hour to fish on shortened day and Ike had a hot morning. Combs got hot the last hour and they TIED !! Both went to sudden death and the first angler to catch a keeper over 14 inches took the 100K and boat first prize. With 8 minutes left in the hour period, Combs cranked a 15 incher. Ike's official got the call and confirmed the win for Combs. Ike wacked his rod and shattered it on the gunnel and hurled the butt section and reel in the lake. Thank God it wasn't a running light pole with an American flag attached. I wonder if the rod has a warrantee that covers damage by emotional outbreak under stress? I just laughed. 1
Super User K_Mac Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 I don't have Versus, so I haven't seen the clip. Over the years I have come to like Iaconelli. I respect his passion and think he has done much for the sport. He could be much more if he learned to control himself. I wish him well and hope he someday learns to stop shooting himself in the foot.
Super User Lund Explorer Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 I'm going to start right out by saying that I haven't watched this show or the so-called episode. However, after reading some reports about Ike's day I thought I'd pose a couple of questions for everyone to think about. Who here has ever been in a tournament that you lost by the closest of margins, regardless if it was because of a lost hawg during the day, a tie breaking big bass, or the flip of a coin? How many of you didn't at least say a curse word under your breath, or waited until you were driving home before going into a full blown rant? Have any of you won a tournament in the same way? Who here has witnessed the supposedly greatest golfer the world has ever seen hit a shot that the average duffer would be ashamed of? What do you think when Tiger throws a club down in disgust, blasphemes at the top of his lungs, and stomps off down the course to where ever that errant shot took off to? Don't worry, I got plenty more. How'd you react to the Suh Stomp? A Busch Bros retaliatory wreck? The ever popular bean ball thrown right after a home run? How about the hockey player that blindsides another player into the boards? Back in the day, I tossed a reel into the murky depths. Too many lost fish caused by a bad roller bearing sent that thing to the bottom. As it sank out of sight, I made sure it got a rousing send off complete with a famous hand gesture! Other equipment has been sent to the landfill in various states of disrepair after failing to live up to what I expected, though most of that took place in a pole barn out of sight. Hey, I've even thrown a club or two along with assorted epitaphs while out on the links. I'm not posting this to either condone or condemn what Ike supposedly or actually did. I leave that up to people who have never been guilty of losing it. Humans are emotional people, unless you're Mitt Romney. Most people have moments were those emotions take over. I just happen to know that the only difference between Ike and I are that he is so much more successful as to have more witnesses. I can't imagine that he has done anything worse than most of us, and when compared to other professionals, nothing nearly as bad as other examples. I also know that he has done a lot of good for the sport. It just isn't in me to condemn somebody for something I'm guilty of as well. I'll leave it up to Ike to decide if he is worthy of condemnation from the guy he should worry about more than me. Himself!
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 I'm going to start right out by saying that I haven't watched this show or the so-called episode. However, after reading some reports about Ike's day I thought I'd pose a couple of questions for everyone to think about. Who here has ever been in a tournament that you lost by the closest of margins, regardless if it was because of a lost hawg during the day, a tie breaking big bass, or the flip of a coin? How many of you didn't at least say a curse word under your breath, or waited until you were driving home before going into a full blown rant? Have any of you won a tournament in the same way? Who here has witnessed the supposedly greatest golfer the world has ever seen hit a shot that the average duffer would be ashamed of? What do you think when Tiger throws a club down in disgust, blasphemes at the top of his lungs, and stomps off down the course to where ever that errant shot took off to? Don't worry, I got plenty more. How'd you react to the Suh Stomp? A Busch Bros retaliatory wreck? The ever popular bean ball thrown right after a home run? How about the hockey player that blindsides another player into the boards? Back in the day, I tossed a reel into the murky depths. Too many lost fish caused by a bad roller bearing sent that thing to the bottom. As it sank out of sight, I made sure it got a rousing send off complete with a famous hand gesture! Other equipment has been sent to the landfill in various states of disrepair after failing to live up to what I expected, though most of that took place in a pole barn out of sight. Hey, I've even thrown a club or two along with assorted epitaphs while out on the links. I'm not posting this to either condone or condemn what Ike supposedly or actually did. I leave that up to people who have never been guilty of losing it. Humans are emotional people, unless you're Mitt Romney. Most people have moments were those emotions take over. I just happen to know that the only difference between Ike and I are that he is so much more successful as to have more witnesses. I can't imagine that he has done anything worse than most of us, and when compared to other professionals, nothing nearly as bad as other examples. I also know that he has done a lot of good for the sport. It just isn't in me to condemn somebody for something I'm guilty of as well. I'll leave it up to Ike to decide if he is worthy of condemnation from the guy he should worry about more than me. Himself! You are absolutely correct. Now, having said that, I have previously stated that one of the things that separates, or rather elevates KVD above many other pros is his ability to control his emotions. In so doing he does not waste time having tantrums or celebrating a good fish lost or caught. He may do such things, but I have never seen it when he loses or catches a hog. He treats it as just any other cast, and goes right back to fishing without wasting time emoting. That is something to be admired and emulated. I would say what really bothers me about Ike's outbursts is that some applaud them as something to be emulated simply because it's entertaining. My attitude on such things is probably based on my years as a commercial lobsterman. I had to learn to live with gear that got ruined or lost due to storms, or being torn up by draggers. I'll never forget one particular incident. We had seven hundred pots fishing very productive bottom. All the gear was well marked with high fliers at both ends of the half mile long trawls with radar reflectors at each end plus a flag on the northwest end of the trawl. They were also marked with inflated polyform balls two feet in diameter. On a calm clear night we witnessed a large scalloper towing through our gear. The high fliers were easily seen in the radar and they appeared as a series of blips on the screen. When all was said and done, the scalloper had towed up nearly three hundred of my traps which were never found. The average cost per trap including the ground line and terminal gear was over fifty bucks per, totalling fifteen grand, plus the catch they did not produce for the rest of the season. On that trip we caught over six thousand dollars worth of lobsters, or fifteen dollars per pot. Those three hundred lost pots cost me 4500 dollars in stock for that trip, plus what we lost in stock for the remaining two months of the season. Was I angry? Darn tooting I was. But I didn't react by destroying more of my gear. And one other thing. I had to pay for every bit of my gear. No sponsor to replace what I lost. That was neither the first nor the last of several times I had lost gear, but thankfully no others were nearly as bad. 2
scrutch Posted December 18, 2011 Posted December 18, 2011 Everyone has varying level of passion and self control. Obviously Ike is FULL of passion for his trade. He pours a lot of time and energy into his livelihood. I'm not sure if I could control myself when things don't go your way after all that time of preparation, and doing everything right. It's EXTREMELY difficult to accept the outcome when you're that close to the goal. It took years for me to learn to control my emotions when I was playing golf for a living. I wasn't a tour pro, but I have been in several smaller level golf tournaments that required self control. It's embarrassing when you lose it when a lot of people are watching. But it's nearly impossible to control when you just get a bad break. Especially when you're as passionate as Ike, and playing for as much money as Ike is. I imagine if any I lived the life of Ike, paying my dues for years like he did, slaving over my trade to achieve success like Ike has, and STILL have the drive and passion that Ike has, that I wouldn't be much different when things fall apart right at the finish line. I don't condone it. But I understand it. I'm willing to let Ike be Ike.
Super User Wayne P. Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 It's called Maturity. Some gain it early in life and some never do. His "meltdown" was due to him getting hung up again like the previous scene where he was hung up on some fishing line as he heard about the other guy catching a legal fish to win. Kind if childish IMHO.
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 Fishing and farming. You have to understand that you are always at the mercy of the elements, which are beyond your control. With farmers, it's too much rain, too little rain, late or early killing frosts, and when none of those toss a ro*** in your way, it can be critters or insects that can devastate your crops. No amount of preparation can deal with too much rain. Irrigation can help with too little, provided it's available. If you cannot handle those setbacks, then you need to find another occupation. Golf, as you mentioned it Scrutch, is similar in this respect. You need to be in control when you hit a bad shot or get a bad bounce. If you let it get to you, it will cost you strokes until you get your emotions back under control. I was decent at golf once upon a time. Then I got away for a while and had trouble breaking a hundred. I was a good stroke a hole worse than I had been. It got me extremely frustrated until I decided if I was not having fun I should do something else. When I could laugh at my horrible shots, I had fewer of them. Never got back to my best days, but I was having fun. That's what it's supposed to be.
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 I was too lazy last nite to take the time to write what Lund wrote. I've been in those situations and have expressed my inner most gentelman qualities at times that were viewed by many. I blamed it on my competitive nature, but had to learn to control my emotions in the public eye. I would imagine that many, if not all, of the previously mentioned celeberties/athletes show their backside every now again. We just don't see it because the cameras didn't show it. I believe Ike was in the "zone" and has a very strong competitive nature which caused him to relieve his stress at a not so good time.
Super User aavery2 Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 I'm going to start right out by saying that I haven't watched this show or the so-called episode. However, after reading some reports about Ike's day I thought I'd pose a couple of questions for everyone to think about. Who here has ever been in a tournament that you lost by the closest of margins, regardless if it was because of a lost hawg during the day, a tie breaking big bass, or the flip of a coin? How many of you didn't at least say a curse word under your breath, or waited until you were driving home before going into a full blown rant? Have any of you won a tournament in the same way? Who here has witnessed the supposedly greatest golfer the world has ever seen hit a shot that the average duffer would be ashamed of? What do you think when Tiger throws a club down in disgust, blasphemes at the top of his lungs, and stomps off down the course to where ever that errant shot took off to? Don't worry, I got plenty more. How'd you react to the Suh Stomp? A Busch Bros retaliatory wreck? The ever popular bean ball thrown right after a home run? How about the hockey player that blindsides another player into the boards? Back in the day, I tossed a reel into the murky depths. Too many lost fish caused by a bad roller bearing sent that thing to the bottom. As it sank out of sight, I made sure it got a rousing send off complete with a famous hand gesture! Other equipment has been sent to the landfill in various states of disrepair after failing to live up to what I expected, though most of that took place in a pole barn out of sight. Hey, I've even thrown a club or two along with assorted epitaphs while out on the links. I'm not posting this to either condone or condemn what Ike supposedly or actually did. I leave that up to people who have never been guilty of losing it. Humans are emotional people, unless you're Mitt Romney. Most people have moments were those emotions take over. I just happen to know that the only difference between Ike and I are that he is so much more successful as to have more witnesses. I can't imagine that he has done anything worse than most of us, and when compared to other professionals, nothing nearly as bad as other examples. I also know that he has done a lot of good for the sport. It just isn't in me to condemn somebody for something I'm guilty of as well. I'll leave it up to Ike to decide if he is worthy of condemnation from the guy he should worry about more than me. Himself! Great post, well thought out and presented. One area that you did fail to mention when comparing Ike to other professional athletes is that in other sports when one acts or behaves in an unprofessional manner there are consequences. Fines, suspensions and penalties, fishing should do the same when an angler brings discredit to the sport.
Super User A-Jay Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 I think he does it to be noticed and so that fans will talk about him, like we're doing right now. Ike is an accomplished angler, there is no doubt about it. But for what ever reason, he hasn't been in the winner's circle much recently. So by flipping out, he gets noticed. I think it's an Act. I understand the his passion for the sport, but I think this is something else. It revolves around paying the bills. And he's the only one doing it. If Every Pro totally lost it every week - "Going Ike" would mean very little. I do not care for the "Loss of control" act he displays. Some do and the producers must like it also, as they ensure it makes it into every broadcast. It's like Reality TV, some like some don't. A-Jay 3
Super User SirSnookalot Posted December 18, 2011 Super User Posted December 18, 2011 The only thing unique about Mike Iconelli is his flamboyant showmanship. He has done nothing that hasn't been done before him in the annuls of fishing for money. Hardly a competitor of any type of event that hasn't had a break go against them, as the pendulum swings good breaks happen too. People comment on his passion, a quality possessed by many just worn differently. I really so no reason for this man to be emulated or idolized, he is nothing special, certainly not the Tiger Woods of the fishing world. Comparing his talent, passion, work ethic and accomplishments to Tiger Woods or KVD, he doesn't even come in as an honorable mention. A couple of years back Dustin Johnson had a bad break at the PGA Championship when he soled his club in the " sand trap", took his penality without a whimper ( never saying what could have or should have been), this is a man I admire. As much as I love watching Tiger play, he isn't the man Jack Nicklaus was, Jack was more gracious in losing than in winning and always complimented the winner and never made an excuse for losing. A class act is one that wins or loses with class.
flippin and pitchin Posted December 18, 2011 Author Posted December 18, 2011 Please don't take my post out of context. It was an observation and not condemnation of an act. although I don't believe Ike is doing anything the help his position as an elite professional angler. To his CREDIT, for those who were not privy to the event as a whole, Ike fished the tournament as well as any angler could and he and Combs, by evidence of their total weights, set themselves apart from the rest of the field. Ike located a series of spots, managed them perfectly, refined his pattern, adapted to change, fished fatastically. It was amazing to watch his skills and abilities. I had to laugh because he had the moment, and you could see him pause, and made the conscious decision as to how he would react to Combs' landing that winning fish and yet, chose to behave as he did. I have a saying, you don't loose your temper, you give it away. Unfortunately I omitted the follow up scene in which Ike is calm and matter of fact and comments that he fished a great tournament. I found the lashing out a contrast and funny. Ike is not the boogie man of professional angling, he just allows himself to be the negative poster child at times. That does not negate his skills.
scrutch Posted December 18, 2011 Posted December 18, 2011 I'll throw this out there for all of you to tear apart... For some crazy reason, I find the tantrums that I see on the golf course (most notably Tiger's) far more repulsive than anything I see Ike do. It might be because I see golf as a more uptight gentlemanly environment (anyone who has been associated with the PGA of America knows what I mean). I really think it's tacky and classless when I see Tiger throw a club. But it doesn't really bother me when I hear about Ike's meltdown. I can't explain it, it's just the way it is.
tnbassfisher Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 The only thing unique about Mike Iconelli is his flamboyant showmanship. He has done nothing that hasn't been done before him in the annuls of fishing for money. Hardly a competitor of any type of event that hasn't had a break go against them, as the pendulum swings good breaks happen too. People comment on his passion, a quality possessed by many just worn differently. I really so no reason for this man to be emulated or idolized, he is nothing special, certainly not the Tiger Woods of the fishing world. Comparing his talent, passion, work ethic and accomplishments to Tiger Woods or KVD, he doesn't even come in as an honorable mention. A couple of years back Dustin Johnson had a bad break at the PGA Championship when he soled his club in the " sand trap", took his penality without a whimper ( never saying what could have or should have been), this is a man I admire. As much as I love watching Tiger play, he isn't the man Jack Nicklaus was, Jack was more gracious in losing than in winning and always complimented the winner and never made an excuse for losing. A class act is one that wins or loses with class. Negotiable. You hear a lot of people talk about Nicklaus having a bad attitude off the course with fans and such. Palmer, however, has always been known to be a great guy. I wish I would have taken the opportunity that I had to go meet him a few years back.
Triton21 Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Please don't take my post out of context. It was an observation and not condemnation of an act. although I don't believe Ike is doing anything the help his position as an elite professional angler. To his CREDIT, for those who were not privy to the event as a whole, Ike fished the tournament as well as any angler could and he and Combs, by evidence of their total weights, set themselves apart from the rest of the field. Ike located a series of spots, managed them perfectly, refined his pattern, adapted to change, fished fantastically. It was amazing to watch his skills and abilities. I had to laugh because he had the moment, and you could see him pause, and made the conscious decision as to how he would react to Combs' landing that winning fish and yet, chose to behave as he did. I have a saying, you don't loose your temper, you give it away. Unfortunately I omitted the follow up scene in which Ike is calm and matter of fact and comments that he fished a great tournament. I found the lashing out a contrast and funny. Ike is not the boogie man of professional angling, he just allows himself to be the negative poster child at times. That does not negate his skills. This was my intention in my post. Kelley
Super User NorcalBassin Posted December 19, 2011 Super User Posted December 19, 2011 Ike is certainly entertaining, which is probably why I am a big fan of his. It's obviously not the right thing to do (break your rod and throw the rest of it into the water), but it sure makes for some good tv. We've all done stupid things that we later regret, but we were fortunate enough to not have cameras around to get it onto tape for everyone to see.
Super User SirSnookalot Posted December 19, 2011 Super User Posted December 19, 2011 Negotiable. You hear a lot of people talk about Nicklaus having a bad attitude off the course with fans and such. Palmer, however, has always been known to be a great guy. I wish I would have taken the opportunity that I had togo meet him a few years back. Forget the year, but the U.S. Senior Open was played at Oakland Hills in Birmingham Mich. I lived close by and was lucky enough to have tickets everyday. One of the most memorable days for me was following Nicklaus, Trevino and Chi Chi in a Wed practice round. There was nothing but playing to the crowd, signing autographs and an overall friendlyness. Trevino and Chi and Chi are 2 of the most approachable and Nicklaus wasn't standoffish a bit. You think you see great shots during the tournament, doesn't compare to practice rounds when they are preparing themselves for the " bad break". Buried under the lip of a trap or snookered within inches behind a tree, practicing putts downhill and breaking that are off the stimp meter. I'd rather be at the practice round and watch the tourney on tv.
Super User Lund Explorer Posted December 19, 2011 Super User Posted December 19, 2011 Forget the year, but the U.S. Senior Open was played at Oakland Hills in Birmingham Mich. I lived close by and was lucky enough to have tickets everyday. One of the most memorable days for me was following Nicklaus, Trevino and Chi Chi in a Wed practice round. There was nothing but playing to the crowd, signing autographs and an overall friendlyness. Trevino and Chi and Chi are 2 of the most approachable and Nicklaus wasn't standoffish a bit. You think you see great shots during the tournament, doesn't compare to practice rounds when they are preparing themselves for the " bad break". Buried under the lip of a trap or snookered within inches behind a tree, practicing putts downhill and breaking that are off the stimp meter. I'd rather be at the practice round and watch the tourney on tv. Hey Snook, as soon as the guy mentioned Arnold Palmer you have known there was going to be a little attitude toward Jack Nicklaus. Arnie's Army had to watch this young upstart Nicklaus unseat the reigning champion of golf at that time. It was a hard pill to swallow when we witnessed it. Time has mellowed some of us, but you have to remember that there are folks who still view the civil war as a noble cause!
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