Super User slonezp Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 Got this from another forum so I don't know the validity. Anyway this thing is a BEAST! Rich Clarke from Sign man Charters guided a first time Muskie fisherman to this 60"x29.5" brute on the St. Lawrence yesterday. The fish was released unweighted but the consensus on Muskie First is that it is the biggest legitimate Muskie ever caught. Estimated weight is 60#-65# Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 The fish was released unweighted but the consensus on Muskie First is that it is the biggest legitimate Muskie ever caught. Does that make the current NY record of 69-15 illegitimate? Quote
Super User tomustang Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 How come the charter didn't have a scale? Quote
JIGFISHERMAN. Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 Does that make the current NY record of 69-15 illegitimate? Acording to the IGFA, and the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall Of Fame, it already is illegitimate. Quote
JIGFISHERMAN. Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 How come the charter didn't have a scale? if a release is planned, there is no good way to scale a musky that size. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 Acording to the IGFA, and the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall Of Fame, it already is illegitimate. All because Dettloff is a blow hard with ulterior motives. Thankfully, New York State recognizes the record. Quote
JIGFISHERMAN. Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 All because Dettloff is a blow hard with ulterior motives. Thankfully, New York State recognizes the record. I can't disagree with you there.....But, some of his evidence seemed convincing. Problem is some of the fish from WI, seem to have at least as much evidence to suggest their size was over stated too. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 So why doesn't Detloff use the same criteria to discount Louie Spray's catches (oh, bye the way caught just yards from Detloff's resort) as he did to discredit the Lawton fish? Yeah. To me, you have to catch a 70 lb. musky for it to be a "record breaker." Then I'll shut up, LOL. And that fish above is one fantastic catch! Lucky guy! Quote
JIGFISHERMAN. Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 So why doesn't Detloff use the same criteria to discount Louie Spray's catches (oh, bye the way caught just yards from Detloff's resort) as he did to discredit the Lawton fish? Yeah. To me, you have to catch a 70 lb. musky for it to be a "record breaker." Then I'll shut up, LOL. And that fish above is one fantastic catch! Lucky guy! That's the problem. If the 69'15 is overturned spray's fish, and johnson's fish need to be as well. I've got the old Musky Hunter Magazines from the 90's when he ran all the witch hunt, and in defense of spray articles....They (MHM) seem to have taken a MUCH more neutral position on the subject these days. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 Anyone interested in the soap opera can start here. Time erases all trust. All records could be overturned, just let all the witnesses die, and lose the documentation. Look at the largemouth record. Or the smallmouth record that was entered, retracted, and reentered to the books. Quote
Hyrule Bass Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 wow, id love to catch a muskie like that. the only muskie i ever caught was a fingerling in smith mountain lake some years ago Quote
Super User tomustang Posted December 2, 2011 Super User Posted December 2, 2011 if a release is planned, there is no good way to scale a musky that size. By boca grip. It's not hard to have a human floor scale on a charter boat, all that needs to be done is tare the person out holding an esox Quote
JIGFISHERMAN. Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 By boca grip. It's not hard to have a human floor scale on a charter boat, all that needs to be done is tare the person out holding an esox The human weight scaled out would work, but would still be considered woefully unreliable. If you want to release a musky that big it shouldn't be held vertical, so the boca grip isn't needed. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 3, 2011 Super User Posted December 3, 2011 A bathroom scale on rocking boat. .. Just more ammo for the doubters. When people figure out how to hold and weigh big fish in water, you'll see some legit weights. For now, L x G formulas will have to suffice. I respect the guys that release them a lot. Gotta be tough to let a record go. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted December 3, 2011 Super User Posted December 3, 2011 I'm keeping the next 12-1 smallmouth I catch! :D Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted December 3, 2011 Global Moderator Posted December 3, 2011 Wow, what a beast I'd freak if I caught a 'ski half that size! I don't think I could have kept it for a record either but never been in the situation before. Quote
Super User tomustang Posted December 3, 2011 Super User Posted December 3, 2011 I don't think I could have kept it for a record either but never been in the situation before. Figure I see more dead after a catch it would be a waste of good meat to let it go. I'd rather see them go but when they're that big its a miracle if they survive after the fight alone Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted December 3, 2011 Super User Posted December 3, 2011 That's a big fish................ A fish that size should be unhooked in the water. There is a lot temptation to weigh and photo a fish that size, I'd do it too. I don't much care about records but it would be great just to know how big the fish actually was and have a pic as a memento. If a fish lives to that size I'm for letting it die a natural life, I don't want to eat it. One of the most elusive fish that I have stalked are muskies, 1 Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted December 3, 2011 Global Moderator Posted December 3, 2011 Figure I see more dead after a catch it would be a waste of good meat to let it go. I'd rather see them go but when they're that big its a miracle if they survive after the fight alone Couldn't imagine a fish that size would be any good to eat and they for sure won't survive if you don't turn them loose Quote
Super User tomustang Posted December 4, 2011 Super User Posted December 4, 2011 Couldn't imagine a fish that size would be any good to eat and they for sure won't survive if you don't turn them loose I remember I read somewhere on my state fishing website about reports of bigger fish having more contaminates in them since their longer lifespan. Then again most of our state waters are polluted to where everything is limited to consume Quote
Super User slonezp Posted December 4, 2011 Author Super User Posted December 4, 2011 I remember I read somewhere on my state fishing website about reports of bigger fish having more contaminates in them since their longer lifespan. Then again most of our state waters are polluted to where everything is limited to consume Very true with fatty fish like salmon and trout. After reading the DNR regs for Lake Michigan, I don't know why anyone would want to eat fish. Quote
NoBassPro Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Anyone interested in the soap opera can start here. Time erases all trust. All records could be overturned, just let all the witnesses die, and lose the documentation. Look at the largemouth record. Or the smallmouth record that was entered, retracted, and reentered to the books. Well thats a discussion best left to the professional musky guys who think every fish over 60 lbs is a lie.http://worldmuskiealliance.com/ Quote
Super User tomustang Posted December 4, 2011 Super User Posted December 4, 2011 Well thats a discussion best left to the professional musky guys who think every fish over 60 lbs is a lie.http://worldmuskiealliance.com/ Yes, the "World Muskie Alliance" who says musky are only in "North America" Hello irony! Quote
NoBassPro Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 They have an international membership and their board has some of the biggest names in musky fishing. Not sure why the guys on musky first think this is any bigger or more legit than the one from Ganonoque, but it is one large fish. The way people are, if you catch a record fish you better document the catch better then the police document evidence of a crime. Quote
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