Vinny Chase Posted October 20, 2011 Posted October 20, 2011 I am looking into getting a new crucial 7'2" MH as a spinnerbait rod becuase I have read it is the same black as the cumara. Is there any news of a new cumara coming out? Or are they just going to keep that line the same? Thanks, VC Quote
Fat-G Posted October 20, 2011 Posted October 20, 2011 They're made of a different resin, with different components. Not the same blank. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted October 22, 2011 Super User Posted October 22, 2011 What young fatty sayeth is dead on. Same graphite, different resin, different components. I would look for some expansion, but don't know that for sure. Quote
Vinny Chase Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 Anyone have experience with the new crucials, in particular the one I am considering? How are they compared to the current line of cumara's? Quote
pitchinthejig Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 The resin is different, the graphite is the same but like whats been said the resin is different and that is a BIG part of the blank. Quote
Vinny Chase Posted October 25, 2011 Author Posted October 25, 2011 Thanks, Long-Range-Junkie. Does anyone have first hand experience with the Crucial rod? Still thinking about adding a few for some other techniques. Also if anyone has news on a new line of Cumara's coming out please let me know. Thanks! VC Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted December 22, 2011 Global Moderator Posted December 22, 2011 I'd like to know that too. I'm currently useing an older 2 piece mh/f Compre for worm and jig's but want to upgrade. There is a Cumara on sale locally for 200.00. I've heard they are good rods but they don't seem to be stout enough for jig fishing. I've never owned a premium rod like that so maybe it's just me. Thanks for any feedback Mike Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted December 23, 2011 Super User Posted December 23, 2011 I've heard they are good rods but they don't seem to be stout enough for jig fishing. Mike That would depend on the jig weight you intend using. My MH has a 3/4 oz. upper limit. I don't have a jig that heavy as yet. I feel my Cumara is the most sensitive rod I currently own. Probably will remain the most sensitive since a more expensive rod isn't in the books for me. More money doesn't necessarily equate to more sensitivity, but if both are designated as jig rods, then my money would be on the more expensive rod to have the best sensitivity. Edit: I think $200 new is a good price. I've seen used ones listed as low as $165, but $175 is more typical, and I've seen them listed for a bit more as well. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted December 23, 2011 Super User Posted December 23, 2011 I'd like to know that too. I'm currently useing an older 2 piece mh/f Compre for worm and jig's but want to upgrade. There is a Cumara on sale locally for 200.00. I've heard they are good rods but they don't seem to be stout enough for jig fishing. I've never owned a premium rod like that so maybe it's just me. Thanks for any feedback Mike It's entirely dependent upon the rod in question. The MHXF Cumara is a beast, where the MHF is noticeably more limber. The jig rods in the Cumara lineup are the only ones I would use as Jig rods, really. If it's not one of those, then no, probably not the best jig rod ever. I have both the MH and M XF Cumara in 6-8 and 7-2 and they're all among my favorite rods. Quote
Super User NorcalBassin Posted December 23, 2011 Super User Posted December 23, 2011 I would definitely pull the trigger on a new Crucial over the "old" Cumuras. I can highly recommend the drop shot rod and enjoy fishing it just as much as my higher end spinning rods (GLX, NRX, Legend Extreme... granted it's not quite as sensitive as these guys). Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted December 23, 2011 Global Moderator Posted December 23, 2011 Thanks Guy's. The one I can get for 200.00 locally is the new Cumara. It is a Mh /F rated for 50 lb braid. The 2 piece older [at least 6 yrs] Compre I'm useing now is ok but Im think I'm losing a lot of sensitivity with it. I've read here many times that the rod for bottom contact techniques..jig's, craws, worms etc. should be the most sensitive you own. Thats why i'm asking. As a newbie to tounament fishing locally in Florida's grassy lakes, I want to upgrade that rod and use it for all bottom contact except for pitching, I have a custom 7'6" rod for that. I know that there are a lot of diffent choices without going to the "top of the line" model. But that Cumara sure feels great. I'm just not sure it would be the best choice, since I'm restricted to only 6 rods as a co angler. I can get a Crucial and an Avid for about 50.00 less but the money isn't the decieding factor. Flexability and useing the right equipment is. Thank You all for your advise. Mike Quote
Fat-G Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Hooligan REALLY loves Cumaras. Really, there is no possible argument against them. I think for the price point they blow the socks off of any other competing rod - heck, I think they're better than a lot of really expensive rods. Shimano really nailed it with the Cumaras. They are stupid light, crazy sensitive, and have good actions for contact lures. I seriously loved my Cumara. The only problem I had with it (and this will sound weird) is that it was too light. I always felt like I was going to snap it using braid and a hard hookset. I really whack 'em. Being that it was my first "expensive" rod, I did a lot of no-no's with it. Never once did it not perform just like a $240 rod should. Since I mostly fish around heavy cover using heavy jigs and heavy braid, I use rods with full cork grips now. To me, they feel much sturdier and add a little bit of weight to the rod, so I don't constantly feel like my rod is going to explode. I think Cumaras are the most underrated rod on the market. If I was looking for a finesse jig rod, a wacky rod, dropshot, shakey head (God forbid) rod, it would be a no-brainer to get a Cumara. I just don't fish those techniques often enough to warrant one. Heck, I rarely ever fish those techniques. Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted December 24, 2011 Global Moderator Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks Fellas I appreciate you help. I also thought the mh/f Cumara felt too light to use for jig's, worms etc. I'll see if they have a h/f and compare that to the Crucial also. Have a Great Christmas! Mike Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted December 24, 2011 Super User Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks Fellas I appreciate you help. I also thought the mh/f Cumara felt too light to use for jig's, worms etc. I'll see if they have a h/f and compare that to the Crucial also. Have a Great Christmas! Mike You won't like any of the fast rods for jigs in the Cumara line, really. Just the XFast rods. They have a better feel than the Crucial, but as stated many times before if cash is tight, the Crucial is a darned fine rod, too. The Cumara is definitely worth the upgrade, monetarily, it's much lighter and far more sensitive. Merry Christmas! Quote
onion man Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 How does the Cumara compare to the Dobyns Champion in terms of sensitivity? I know they are two completely different rods, but sensitivity wise, how do they compare? Sorry don't mean to bomb the thread... Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted December 25, 2011 Super User Posted December 25, 2011 How does the Cumara compare to the Dobyns Champion in terms of sensitivity? I know they are two completely different rods, but sensitivity wise, how do they compare? Sorry don't mean to bomb the thread... There are rods in the Cumara line that are more sensitive than their Dobyns counterpart, and vice-versa. It really depends on the rod in question. Most of the Cumara's are going to get the edge, but not all. Quote
onion man Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 There are rods in the Cumara line that are more sensitive than their Dobyns counterpart, and vice-versa. It really depends on the rod in question. Most of the Cumara's are going to get the edge, but not all. Champion 735C vs. Cumara CUC-74H. Thinking about getting one or the other (or maybe a Loomis) for football jigs and texas rigs. Which one would you go with? Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted December 25, 2011 Super User Posted December 25, 2011 Of those two, the Cumara is more sensitive, IMO. Now, throw in a GLXBCR855 and I'd have to sway towards the Loomis. Unless you're consistently talking about jigs over 7/8oz, the CUCX72MH is the better choice. Quote
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