Phenix Power Ratings?

[LuckyHandsINC.]

I ordered a 7'1 MH recon rod model 714. I thought the 4 indicated a 4 power rod which was MH. The 715 is a 7'1 H power rod. I thought the 5 indicated a heavy rated rod. Now I want to buy the 7'6 H hut the model number is 766. My question is what does the 6 indicate? Is it a heavier power or maybe different taper. Any info would be much appreciated.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I believe: 7=7' 6=6" 6=6power (766)

[LuckyHandsINC.]

I understand that ,but the 715 and 766 are both rated as heavy power fast action rods. So my question was what is the difference between 5 and 6 power.

[Canga]

i too have been looking into the recon rods (tho spinning model) and they seem to have a pretty odd rating system for their powers, the 691s is listed on their site as a "light" (listed as a ML on tackle warehouse) but rated for 1/16-3/8oz baits, which would be a ML or even a M in some other line-ups.

as for your question, i would assume the 5 is a heavy and the 6 is a little bit heavier heavy (ie. if it were a loomis rod, maybe listed as a "mag-heavy?) not heavy enough to be an extra heavy but a bit more than a standard heavy. on a guess on my part though, i dont own any of their stuff (yet?) or anything over a MH rod, sorry!

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Sorry, I misunderstood which 6 you were referring to. There are no industry standards for rod ratings, it's all subjective on the part of the manufacturer. I would expect the longer rod to have a similar taper but ending with a larger butt diameter due to the increased length resulting in a little more power. It's not unheard of for different rods from the same manufacturer to be classifed as "Heavy"... Phenix has a pretty strong following on the west coast and a good rep with custom builders on their blanks.

[LuckyHandsINC.]

Thanks for trying to help,but we can't seem to get on the same page. Let me try to explain my question better. If 1=L , 2=ML , 3=M , 4= MH across the entire line shouldn't 5=H regardless if the rod is 1 foot or 50 feet?

[.ghoti.]

Thanks for trying to help,but we can't seem to get on the same page. Let me try to explain my question better. If 1=L , 2=ML , 3=M , 4= MH across the entire line shouldn't 5=H regardless if the rod is 1 foot or 50 feet?

You would think so, wouldn't you?

Like DVT said, there is no standard. I haven't looked at those particular rod's specs, but I would look at the line and lure weight ratings. If you already have a rod from that series, you can make a judgment on power and action, based on your needs.

What you can't do is try to compare rods from different series, or even worse, different manufacturers.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I see your point and logic would dictate that but only the manufacturer can answer with certainty. The ratings being subjective and arbitrary only allow us to guess. I think it's a safe assumption that their 766 model has more power (and happens to be longer)than the 715. Some companies would call a rod capable of throwing 2 1/2 oz baits XHvy. In the Ultra MBX line, 703XH is rated for 3/8-1 1/2 oz lures and 10-30 lb line. At the end of the day, I'm afraid rod preferences will boil down to trial and error. At least you'll have something to compare to once the first rod arrives.

[LuckyHandsINC.]

I have the first rod already. It's the 714 and I like it a lot. However its a little under powered in my opinion which leads me to believe the 764 will be too light for froging even here in NY, but I have a feeling the 6 may be too powerful. This is driving me crazy though if they just made the model number 765 I would have already bought it. Maybe I will anyway. I think this rod could be exactly what I need to rekindle my love that I lost for my zillion. Anyway thanks for the help DVT it is appreciated. Maybe ill try calling phenix. If I get an answer ill post back for anyone who cares.

[baluga]

Can you post what's the weight of the 714 rod ? How's the balance, is it same feel as the phenix UMBX ? I'm planning to get one if it is as light and balances like the UMBX model

Thanks.

[LuckyHandsINC.]

Can you post what's the weight of the 714 rod ? How's the balance, is it same feel as the phenix UMBX ? I'm planning to get one if it is as light and balances like the UMBX model

Thanks.

I can't compare it to the umbx or any phenix rod for that matter. This is my first and I'm very impressed. As far as weight goes I do not have a scale to way it with, but it is very light. It's tough to tell in hand but it feels to be lighter than my 7'2 cumara. It also balaces a little better at approximately 3in from the center of the reel seat with a 6.8 oz reel. The tip is soft and works great for weightless plasctics or light t- rigs. It would also do a good job pitching but I think it may be too soft for something like dragging a 1/2 oz football head. Also the fast action is not as fast a the cumara similar to my cabelas XML. Any other questions feel free to ask.

[baluga]

Thanks, I think I know how you describe it since I also have the cumara and the cabelas xml. The new Phenix recon and the UMBX are using different material for the blanks so i'm guessing that the recon has a slower action than the umbx from how you describe it. I might need to go to the nearest local shop here in SOCAL and check it out.

Thanks again.