Serious Bps Reel Problem

[FL_Sharpshooter]

Ok, this is going to probably be hard to explain. I just got done properly cleaning the parts for my reel and was putting it back together. The parts are all in their proper place as far as I know. I can turn the craft shaft by hand with the right side cover off and it feels smooth as can be. As soon as I put the right side cover on, and add any compression (ie tightening the screws that pull down the cover), it makes the crank shaft very hard to turn. What is the cause of this problem? The reel is nice and smooth with the right face plate on, but not when I go to tighten the screws. Can someone help please? I'm puzzled at this point. The model number of the reel is PQX10HD.

[zip pow]

Have you loosed your spool tension off? Cleaned mine last week andhad same. Issue I guess the grease tightend it up backed it off an reset it cured my problems.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

Have you loosed your spool tension off? Cleaned mine last week andhad same. Issue I guess the grease tightend it up backed it off an reset it cured my problems.

If you mean the spool tension knob, yes.

[aavery2]

Ok, this is going to probably be hard to explain. I just got done properly cleaning the parts for my reel and was putting it back together. The parts are all in their proper place as far as I know. I can turn the craft shaft by hand with the right side cover off and it feels smooth as can be. As soon as I put the right side cover on, and add any compression (ie tightening the screws that pull down the cover), it makes the crank shaft very hard to turn. What is the cause of this problem? The reel is nice and smooth with the right face plate on, but not when I go to tighten the screws. Can someone help please? I'm puzzled at this point. The model number of the reel is PQX10HD.

One of the things you are bringing into play when you put the right side cover on the reel is the anti-reverse bearing, may want to check it out and make sure there is no problem there.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

One of the things you are bringing into play when you put the right side cover on the reel is the anti-reverse bearing, may want to check it out and make sure there is no problem there.

I believe it is working properly. When I spin the roller bearings inside, they all seem to spin correctly. Also, it doesn't allow me to reverse spin--so I guess it's working? I guess if worse comes to worse, the reel is still under the one year warranty...

[aavery2]

I believe it is working properly. When I spin the roller bearings inside, they all seem to spin correctly. Also, it doesn't allow me to reverse spin--so I guess it's working?

If you put it together with the screws tight, and leave the spool out of the reel, does it still feel like it is tight. Be carefull when you attempt this, as the pinion can fall out of alignment, just turn it enough to determine if the binding is there without the spool installed.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

If you put it together with the screws tight, and leave the spool out of the reel, does it still feel like it is tight. Be carefull when you attempt this, as the pinion can fall out of alignment, just turn it enough to determine if the binding is there without the spool installed.

Yes, it is still tight without the spool installed.

[aavery2]

Yes, it is still tight without the spool installed.

Not sure if this is a factor or not, but make sure of your screw orientation, there should be 3 screws holding the side plate on, 1 larger screw and two smaller screws, the longer of the two smaller screws goes into the lower aft hole, the shorter obviously in the upper forward, and the bigger screw comes in from the aft side.

[BASSclary]

The pinion gear yolk may be upside down.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

Not sure if this is a factor or not, but make sure of your screw orientation, there should be 3 screws holding the side plate on, 1 larger screw and two smaller screws, the longer of the two smaller screws goes into the lower aft hole, the shorter obviously in the upper forward, and the bigger screw comes in from the aft side.

Checked this, they are all in the correct place.

The pinion gear yolk may be upside down.

It is definitely not upside down.

[Jaheff]

can you feel spring tension when you press down on the pinion gear with your finger, or a clean screw driver?

[aavery2]

Checked this, they are all in the correct place.

It is definitely not upside down.

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When you were cleaning the reel, did you remove or try to remove the anti-reverse bearing from the side plate? Is your drag washer stack seated properly in the gear, the washer with the tabs seated in the slots? Make sure if you removed the crankshaft that it is installed correctly, I have seen them where the bearing was not fully seated. Make sure the gears on the crankshaft are fully seated, they are seated on the shaft with flats aligned properly. Outside of this I have no ideas.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

can you feel spring tension when you press down on the pinion gear with your finger, or a clean screw driver?

Do you mean when the reel is open? Or when the reel is closed and the access port to the pinion gear with the spool off? When I press on that with a screwdriver, it appears to bounce back --nothing abnormal that I can detect..

[Jaheff]

Yes with spool off. Your gonna have to wait for a reply from DVT, Francho or RM to help ya out.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

When you were cleaning the reel, did you remove or try to remove the anti-reverse bearing from the side plate? Is your drag washer stack seated properly in the gear, the washer with the tabs seated in the slots? Make sure if you removed the crankshaft that it is installed correctly, I have seen them where the bearing was not fully seated. Make sure the gears on the crankshaft are fully seated, they are seated on the shaft with flats aligned properly. Outside of this I have no ideas.

Yes, I've removed the anti-reverse bearing and spun the roller bearings to make sure they spin right, all is fine there. I also checked over the other things you mentioned --no warning flags there. I never removed the crankshaft.

Yes with spool off. Your gonna have to wait for a reply from DVT, Francho or RM to help ya out.

Must be something we are all missing. Very puzzling..

[aavery2]

Yes, I've removed the anti-reverse bearing and spun the roller bearings to make sure they spin right, all is fine there. I also checked over the other things you mentioned --no warning flags there. I never removed the crankshaft.

Must be something we are all missing. Very puzzling..

Almost makes me think that there is a slight anti-reverse bearing mis-alignment. Anyway hope you get it figured out.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Make sure that the clutch springs are installed correctly and seated. If the side plate is hitting them it will twist and bind. Also check that everything on the crankshaft is seated properly.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

Almost makes me think that there is a slight anti-reverse bearing mis-alignment. Anyway hope you get it figured out.

Not sure what it is...thanks for trying to help.

Make sure that the clutch springs are installed correctly and seated. If the side plate is hitting them it will twist and bind. Also check that everything on the crankshaft is seated properly.

I just double-checked everything, it all appears to be in place. Again, when I went to tighten the screws, the crankshaft started to get very hard to turn again.

[bigbassctchr101]

Is the bottom drag part seated properly and lined up with the groves or notches on the crankshaft? It can look like it is and actually not be. This would cause everything to be raised up enough to push against the side plate when tightened.

Are drag washers turned the correct way and seated in the correct position in the correct sequence?

Is the pawl in your worm gear in the proper position and properly tightened? If not tightened properly it may work when inverted or held in one way but not in another causing the handle not to turn correctly (which could have damaged the gear/pawl)

Make sure the anti reverse gear in placed into the handle correctly if you took it out. Also make sure that the AR bearing sleeve that goes over the shaft is sitting correctly on the crankshaft.

Have you tried not spinning the crankshaft until after you have both side plates and spool all in the correct position? (You may be putting the pinion gear out of whack by turning the handle before the spool in in correctly)

Make sure the spool is placed in correctly on both sides. It is possible to have the spool shaft come thru the right side assembly correctly but not be in the hole in center of the bearing on the removable sideplate.

You shouldn't have to force anything, it apparently came apart just fine so it should go together with minimal effort as well.

If you have already double checked to make sure everything is right, then triple check it. If it worked before you took it apart, then there is something not right with the way it was put back together. There is no other logical explanation for it....its propably something simple and stupid. Good Luck

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Is the bottom drag part seated properly and lined up with the groves or notches on the crankshaft? It can look like it is and actually not be. This would cause everything to be raised up enough to push against the side plate when tightened.

Are drag washers turned the correct way and seated in the correct position in the correct sequence?

Is the pawl in your worm gear in the proper position and properly tightened? If not tightened properly it may work when inverted or held in one way but not in another causing the handle not to turn correctly (which could have damaged the gear/pawl)

Make sure the anti reverse gear in placed into the handle correctly if you took it out. Also make sure that the AR bearing sleeve that goes over the shaft is sitting correctly on the crankshaft.

Have you tried not spinning the crankshaft until after you have both side plates and spool all in the correct position? (You may be putting the pinion gear out of whack by turning the handle before the spool in in correctly)

Make sure the spool is placed in correctly on both sides. It is possible to have the spool shaft come thru the right side assembly correctly but not be in the hole in center of the bearing on the removable sideplate.

You shouldn't have to force anything, it apparently came apart just fine so it should go together with minimal effort as well.

If you have already double checked to make sure everything is right, then triple check it. If it worked before you took it apart, then there is something not right with the way it was put back together. There is no other logical explanation for it....its propably something simple and stupid. Good Luck

The clutch gear he referenced above is what I was thinking too. Something is out of sequence, alignment or orientation. It'll be sonething simple once you find it. If the levelwind was a problem, it wouldn't be just when the sideplate is installed. Does the binding occur before the drag star and handle are installed? If not, the AR bearing may not be seated.

[FL_Sharpshooter]

Is the bottom drag part seated properly and lined up with the groves or notches on the crankshaft? It can look like it is and actually not be. This would cause everything to be raised up enough to push against the side plate when tightened.

Are drag washers turned the correct way and seated in the correct position in the correct sequence?

Is the pawl in your worm gear in the proper position and properly tightened? If not tightened properly it may work when inverted or held in one way but not in another causing the handle not to turn correctly (which could have damaged the gear/pawl)

Make sure the anti reverse gear in placed into the handle correctly if you took it out. Also make sure that the AR bearing sleeve that goes over the shaft is sitting correctly on the crankshaft.

Have you tried not spinning the crankshaft until after you have both side plates and spool all in the correct position? (You may be putting the pinion gear out of whack by turning the handle before the spool in in correctly)

Make sure the spool is placed in correctly on both sides. It is possible to have the spool shaft come thru the right side assembly correctly but not be in the hole in center of the bearing on the removable sideplate.

You shouldn't have to force anything, it apparently came apart just fine so it should go together with minimal effort as well.

If you have already double checked to make sure everything is right, then triple check it. If it worked before you took it apart, then there is something not right with the way it was put back together. There is no other logical explanation for it....its propably something simple and stupid. Good Luck

I'll make sure to check over all of this, I'm sure it's something stupid. It would probably be easier if I just took a picture.

The clutch gear he referenced above is what I was thinking too. Something is out of sequence, alignment or orientation. It'll be sonething simple once you find it. If the levelwind was a problem, it wouldn't be just when the sideplate is installed. Does the binding occur before the drag star and handle are installed? If not, the AR bearing may not be seated.

No, it has rough turning when the side plate is on just turning the crankshaft itself. I should note that I did put carbontex drags in it, but this problem also occurred when I had the regular drags that came with the reel inside.

[bigbassctchr101]

Try putting everything on the way you have been. But, leave off the AR sleeve that goes onto the crankshaft. Does it still turn hard??? If it does then it would almost have to be something related to something not being properly seated or something else is interferring with the way the assembly was orginially put together.

If it doesn't turn hard without the sleeve, take out the AR bearing and put on the sleeve. After doing this, nothing should have changed... make sure the AR bearing is installed correctly. There is really almost nothing else that could be causing this bind other than the way the AR and sleeve are aligned IF the crankshaft turns freely with them removed. Just a thought???

[FL_Sharpshooter]

Try putting everything on the way you have been. But, leave off the AR sleeve that goes onto the crankshaft. Does it still turn hard??? If it does then it would almost have to be something related to something not being properly seated or something else is interferring with the way the assembly was orginially put together.

If it doesn't turn hard without the sleeve, take out the AR bearing and put on the sleeve. After doing this, nothing should have changed... make sure the AR bearing is installed correctly. There is really almost nothing else that could be causing this bind other than the way the AR and sleeve are aligned IF the crankshaft turns freely with them removed. Just a thought???

I took out the bushing, still turning terribly rough when I tighten the screws or add compression to the face plate. I also took out the AR bearing and the bushing at the same time. The same thing was still happening, very hard to turn the crankshaft when any compression is added.

[bigbassctchr101]

Do you have a schematic for that reel? If you don't I think the pflueger purists are pretty similar in terms of internals and assembly. I'd start with just a frame and follow the schematic precisely. If ya can't get it I know that DVT has an awesome offer for members!!!!

[.RM.]

Your gonna have to wait for a reply from DVT, Francho or RM to help ya out.

IMPO I wouldn't try to evaluate what was done to the reel, or, were it isn't re-assembling properly.

I would recommend that you box the reel as a basket case, and either send it to Out Door World Rod & Reel Repair (BPS service shop), or to DVT here on this site.

Good Luck & Tight Lines!