GrundleLove Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 So I have been fishing the local spot pretty regularly after work, using a 5 inch Senko with like a 3/0 or a 5/0 worm hook, Texas style... But I noticed that the bass tend to always take the back end of the worm and when I set it I never really land em...well, more or less just displeased with the amount of "taps" vs. how many I land. No big deal right? Just let them take it a little bit more, maybe wait for that second tap then set. But it seems the fish here like to "hit and run" when they first go for it, just a single tap then peace out. After being frustrated I came up with a new rig (Photoshop pic i made up for illustration purposes below) that I thought could fool them...and it did. There are some pros and cons to this rig, lets start with the con Con: The "float down" action when working it slow is a little different then what I would like, but minimal..also, the big one, It literally massacres the fish. The 9 that I have caught with this fish have had double hooked, one way in their throat, and the other on the lip. 1 died from being bled out after removing the "trailer" hook and rest were bleeding pretttyyyyyyyy heavily. Pro: Cast further? I guess with the extra weight it goes further than normal, which in my situation(bridge fishing) works out great because i can just barely reach places i could not before. Also, the % of lands. My odds have jumped significantly since rigging this up, have yet to go home skunked and this area is heavily fished. Is this something that people do normally and I am just a moron for not knowing about this rig? If so this thread is mute. If not, I think this may be something you might want to try. Quote
MuffinMan Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Bad idea. 1) ruins the action of the bait i the water. 2) Fish might swallow it. 3) theres no good reason to rig it like that. Quote
yfz 450 Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 i was having that same problem a few weeks ago in a tourniment. i would be getting bites and line jumping all around and then i would go and set the hook and nothing. i turned out to be crappie playing with it. i finally hooked one and it was aboy 10" i was driving me crazy. just a thought maybe its not bass your feeling Quote
GrundleLove Posted August 30, 2011 Author Posted August 30, 2011 Bad idea. 1) ruins the action of the bait i the water. 2) Fish might swallow it. 3) theres no good reason to rig it like that. 1) only slightly and actually it darts a little more hectic which isent all terrible but i see where you are coming from 2) might? more like have and will. 3) there are a few good reasons in my circumstance for doing it in which i explained above. Perhaps replace those with two smaller octopus hooks that aren't so close to the back? thought i saw a rig like that once Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 30, 2011 Super User Posted August 30, 2011 Learn how to fish a jig. That'll solve your senko problems. 1 Quote
TrippyJai Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Maybe you can try another bait if they are giving you that issue. First bait that comes to my mind is a Fat Ika. Quote
gobig Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 The 9 that I have caught with this fish have had double hooked, one way in their throat, and the other on the lip. I guess I am missing the reason for two hooks. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 Learn how to fish a jig. That'll solve your senko problems. Post of the day, right there. Quote
brushhoggin Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 i like the idea for some of the lizard fishing i do in the fall where i swim em through pad stems more like a spinnerbait retrieve. i use 8" lizards and they very rarely inhale the whole bait when they take it so that extra hook would be nice given i'm settin the hook as soon as they hit rather than waiting an extra second like i do when fishing regular plastics. Quote
Super User slonezp Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 I believe you can buy prerigged worms like that. Quote
Stasher1 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 I believe you can buy prerigged worms like that. Yup. The Creme Scoundrel. Quote
bigbassctchr101 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 I use these type of stinger hooks: http://www.***.com/Gamakatsu_G-Stinger_Hook_4pk/descpage-GSH.html I don't fish a senko much, but they work on 10.5-15" inch worms when I feel like they are only taking the back end of the bait. It doesn't effect the action much at all. But, I realized how easy this could be and started making my own with braid and size 2 or 4 hooks. If gets simple enough to do, worth it if your in a tournament, and if you deep hook the fish you can simply cut it off. Quote
Brand0n Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 maybe try another color senko. ive had bites and lost fish. i changed colors threw back out and caught fish. i will tell you where i fish i bought some poured senko knock offs from someone black with multi colored flake with garlic scent. fish cant seem to wanna let it go. i catch more fish on them than any other lure. Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 If I'm fishing plastics, probably half the time I present them on a jig. Other than that I'm fishing Trick Worms or Senkos. If a jig was the answer to everything, no one would be fishing anything else. I like jigs, but they don't work in every situation. That being said, you can reduce the amount of fish injury by just crushing down the barbs on your hooks. I don't really see the need for the double rigging on Senkos, like you show though. The "taps" you are getting frustrated with are probably either panfish, perch or small bass. When your line starts moving, that's a bass worth hauling back on! Rarely with you get a "tap" per say. An even better solution to your problem was previously mentioned here as well: Fat Ika. Quote
NBR Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 My experience with missing fish with "Senko" type baits is the fish are either dinks or blue gills or sunfish. If I fool around with them long enough I'll catch a dink or nothing. Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 Tap-tap-tap , not a bass , probably gills. Quote
Stasher1 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 Tap-tap-tap , not a bass , probably gills. x2 Or those stupid little yellow perch. I don't think they have any idea how small they really are. I swear they'd hit a lure the size of a grown man. Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 When I was a kid the only kind of "rubber" worm I knew about was the pre-rigged variety. I caught many fish on those things. While there are many other rigging methods that you might consider, if 2 hooks in a Senko works for you I see no reason for not using them, unless the collateral damage is too high. I think the advice of crushing the barbs is very good. I do that on wacky rigged Senkos at times. Quote
Super User slonezp Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 x2 Or those stupid little yellow perch. I don't think they have any idea how small they really are. I swear they'd hit a lure the size of a grown man. Yep, little gills. My son coined the term "bluegillish" for that type of bite. Quote
Super User CWB Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 These things are killer, especially in shallow heavily pressured areas: http://www.ikecon.com/fishing-products/ike-con-worm-6.25-inch/ They seem to have lost some luster but they still catch the heck out of bass and will also catch the short nippers. I cut the back hook off myself. Several companies sell this type of worm. Just throw it out and reel it in slowly. Quote
Super User Jigfishn10 Posted August 31, 2011 Super User Posted August 31, 2011 Learn how to fish a jig. That'll solve your senko problems. Yes Sir! Quote
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