Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Is there anyway to tell if the water has developed a thermocline without electronics or diving in to see it. I'm going out tonight to one of my honey holes with the canoe and last time I went I couldent find bass to save my life everywhere I thought bass would be I found pike and crappie. So I'm wondering if there may be a thermo cline and and I was fishing empty waters below the fish. Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 I don’t know if you can tell without electronics Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Dang oh well lots of trial and error I guess. I'm just glad a lot of the grass died off now its all duck weed and lilly pads. Quote
figure8racer Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Not trying to jack the htread but how do you use your electronics to locate the thermocline? Quote
Siebert Outdoors Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 most lakes I dive the first Thermocline tends to be around 15-20 fow. Thats fairly consistent. Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Is there anyway to tell if the water has developed a thermocline without electronics or diving in to see it. I'm going out tonight to one of my honey holes with the canoe and last time I went I couldent find bass to save my life everywhere I thought bass would be I found pike and crappie. So I'm wondering if there may be a thermo cline and and I was fishing empty waters below the fish. The first thing that comes to mind is what depth were you catching the crappie and pike? Those fish are just as dependent on sufficient O2 levels as bass. If there are fish present you have not gone below the thermocline. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Hthe max depth is only 12ft tops and the crappie were in 3fow and the pike were on top it seemed but a few in one spot were hitting jigs on the bottom Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Not trying to jack the htread but how do you use your electronics to locate the thermocline? Adjust your sensitivity all the way up. You'll show a false bottom reading, that's your thermocline, usually. It may also be related to algae, incoming current, or a couple other things, but that is very rare. Usually it's thermocline. Quote
Gavin Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 You could use a Thermometer on a string and check it the old fashioned way....a 12' deep pond may not be deep enough to have one though.... Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Its not a pond its part of lake ontario I fish that u can't access with a boat unless ur skinny and have a jon boat my fat arse would make it sit to low in the water the canoe gets stuck in some spots till I'm in the channel Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 If there's any current, there probably isn't any thermocline. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 could well be thermocline related, then. However, I've never seen a thermocline shallower than 8 feet. I would think the most likely explanation of not finding them shallow is that other species are using those areas so the bass have moved into deep water structure or have suspended on baitfish. With the availability of smelt and cisco it's not uncommon for Ontario fish to be micro-adjusted to them at this time of year, even in very small areas. If you're on the SE side or the very Eastern end, around the area between Tibbets and Henderson for instance, good chance that baitfish is the case. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 If there's any current, there probably isn't any thermocline. I respectfully disagree. Ontario is one of those anomalies that will have a thermocline with current. The upper layer moves relatively freely, and there isn't enough mixing to eliminate the thermocline. I had it explained to me by someone that's very in tune with the bathymetrics of the Great Lakes. It's a unique situation, I gathered, that allows it to happen in the shallow areas of the lake that can be more effected by current than other areas. Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Most lakes that deep (<25') do not thermocline, usually. And most reservoirs that have current running through them (as JFranco said) do not as well, just like rivers don't. Large lakes with depths over 50' usually do thermocline once steady summer temps set in. (Notice I said "lakes" not reservoirs.) You can find it if you have a sonar with over 480 verticle pixels, and you set your sensitivity and ping speed on max. and your chart speed at about 70%. However, once you find the thermocline doing this, you'll have to decrease your sensitivity - or you'll get too much clutter. I've always wanted to have a temperature probe. One which would allow me to read the temps at various depths while staying on the boat! That would be a valuable tool indeed. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Yeah, all the great lakes have current, I get that. I think I know where he's talking about, and there's too much current, as in a pool on a river system. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Yeah, all the great lakes have current, I get that. I think I know where he's talking about, and there's too much current, as in a pool on a river system. John I'm talking bout johnsons in lyndonville above the falls its a great spot for kayaks I just use my buddys canoe though lots of timber to fish Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Yeah, all the great lakes have current, I get that. I think I know where he's talking about, and there's too much current, as in a pool on a river system. I know you get that, I think we're talking about the same areas, though. The high current areas are what I was talking about. It doesn't sound like it's the same area, though. From what Clayton posted. There's a specific area on Ontario that has relatively high current that does get a thermocline. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 John I'm talking bout johnsons in lyndonville above the falls its a great spot for kayaks I just use my buddys canoe though lots of timber to fish No thermocline there. Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 It would be a tremendous help if when asking questions y’all would add name of the body of water from the very beginning! With the number of members we have someone my fish it regularly & could offer retime help, unless of course y’all like this guessing game. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Catt, I would NOT have shared that info....Great Lakes tribs are very touchy, and can be ruined by even posting images. It's even MORE touchy when trout run. There are people that scour the internet, and illagally take these fish without regard for sport. Quote
Siebert Outdoors Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 some places have more then one thermocline. But being as deep as he said I doubt it has one. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Catt, I would NOT have shared that info....Great Lakes tribs are very touchy, and can be ruined by even posting images. It's even MORE touchy when trout run. There are people that scour the internet, and illagally take these fish without regard for sport. Not many people know where it is even if I say johnsons in lyndonville most maps don't even have lyndonville on it. Plus its in orleans county so u hear banjos around ever creek bend. however this part doesn't have trout in it just big pike bass and crappie they never built the fish steps back in the 80s so there's no trout or salmon past the dam. You should come check that spot out as well john if u get time its bout 5 to 10 minutes past the boat launch Quote
Super User J Francho Posted August 17, 2011 Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Cool, I might be up in the next few weekends. This weekend is booked with funerals. Blech! Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Super User Posted August 17, 2011 Cool, I might be up in the next few weekends. This weekend is booked with funerals. Blech! Them are know fun at all I'm heading out now throwing the canoe on my lumina and scooting to the water. Quote
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