Braid Slips

[Robert Riley]

Alright. So i have a bps baitcasting reel, and i use 17lb powerpro. Basically, the line slips off the spool, and it is more or less "dragless." Of course, there is nothing wrong with my drag. More or less, i am asking for any tips or tricks to keep my line secure to the spool. And sadly, it does not have the holes in the spool... So we must be fairly creative about it.

-Robert

[zachb34]

you need to have a mono backing under the braid.

[central.PA.bass]

tape it to the spool..

[Bluebasser86]

Either one of those suggestions will work fine. I like to put some mono backing on but electric tape on the spool works fine too. The coating on braid makes it too slick and it won't grip the spool, I'm guessing that's the problem you're having.

[SirSnookalot]

I don't like backing but that's my preference, I use painter's tape ( masking tape), I'm sure electrical tape will work just fine.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

For bass fishing, using 15lb or so mono as backing with about 75 yards of braid as the mainline will work fine and save you some money. If you spool with braid you definetely need a wrap of tape on the spool for some "bite" for the braid. Keep some tension on the line as you spool as well.

[bigbassctchr101]

You can also tie directly to the spool by threading the braid line through the ported holes in the spool (if your spool has them) and tie a know this way before spooling up. With using 17lb powerpro your best bet would be to save some money and use a backing so you could spool up two reels instead of only one. I rarely use braid anymore, but I would usually tie directly to the spool when using 50-65lb braid.

[SirSnookalot]

There are spinning reels where neither backing or tape is needed with braid. Abu sorons and Penn conquers just to name 2, I'm sure there must be others. The Penn has a rubberized strip a knot or just tape over the line is fine. The Abu has 2 rubber bands, just place the line underneath the band, no tape or knot required. In the event a fish runs 200 yds down to the spool, you're not going to get it anyway knot or not.

[ARH4AU]

I tie a standard arbor knot, tighten it up & put the piece of tape from the spool of line over the knot. Then I spool it up like any other line. This has worked flawlessly for me since the first time I tried braid 20 years ago or so.

[Robert Riley]

so i have taken care of it with tape and knots, so far. Does backing with, say 20yards of mono, effect the sensitivity at all?

[SirSnookalot]

so i have taken care of it with tape and knots, so far. Does backing with, say 20yards of mono, effect the sensitivity at all?

NO.

[Hooligan]

Someone gave the advice of using the spool porting to tie braid through. Don't do it. It's a surefire way to bend/torque your spool. Braid can exert enough pressure on the spool that it will pull it out of round. I've also been told from a couple sources that tape around the arbor can cause the same thing. Mono is the only sure fire way to prevent it from happening.

[SirSnookalot]

Someone gave the advice of using the spool porting to tie braid through. Don't do it. It's a surefire way to bend/torque your spool. Braid can exert enough pressure on the spool that it will pull it out of round. I've also been told from a couple sources that tape around the arbor can cause the same thing. Mono is the only sure fire way to prevent it from happening.

Maybe if you had a 200# goliath grouper on a curado, damage to the reel could quite possibly occur. Having a bass on the line or a fish of similar size, not that much pressure is put on the spool, especially if the drag is set properly. The likelyhood of a bass or similar sized fish reeling off 100yds or so of line and putting maximum pressure on the spool, imo is non existent.

This makes the case for taping rather than using a knot, if you happen to catch that large monster that can spool you down all the way, the line just pulls off the reel and does no damage to the reel at all, you have only lost all your line. I tape the majority of time, never have been spooled by a bass, or any inshore fish. I have been spooled offshore in the ocean but it's safe to assume it wasn't a 10# fish.

[Hooligan]

Maybe if you had a 200# goliath grouper on a curado, damage to the reel could quite possibly occur. Having a bass on the line or a fish of similar size, not that much pressure is put on the spool, especially if the drag is set properly. The likelyhood of a bass or similar sized fish reeling off 100yds or so of line and putting maximum pressure on the spool, imo is non existent.

It's actually the same pressure start to finish because braid has no stretch or compression. The argument can be made that the torque is magnified because of that same fact. That's the reason it slips on the spool in the first place, not that the coating makes it too slick, it's because it has zero compression or stretch and thus cannot grab. Also, for the record, I've seen the damage braid has done to spools in the past, from various issues; in some cases it was the spool design, in others it was the braid itself, in yet others it was from how it was attached.

[Fat-G]

It will definitely torque the spool and bend it - I've done it before.

[Robert Riley]

I have never had a torquing problem, but then again, i've only owned 2 baitcasters in my life.

As for the line, i've tied a loop, then taped half of the loop down with electric tape. And then tied the line to the uncovered loop. A bit thorough maybe even a bit overboard, but havent had a prob since!had a prob since!

-RR

[.RM.]

Someone gave the advice of using the spool porting to tie braid through. Don't do it. It's a surefire way to bend/torque your spool. Braid can exert enough pressure on the spool that it will pull it out of round. I've also been told from a couple sources that tape around the arbor can cause the same thing. Mono is the only sure fire way to prevent it from happening.

Wrong!

Only if the spool doesn't have a bearing pack behind the engagement pin, and, the drags are pinned down solid and trying to lift a tree branch, is there a chance of bending the spool shaft using braided line anchored through the holes in a drilled spool.

Good Luck & Tight Lines!

[bigbassctchr101]

It will definitely torque the spool and bend it - I've done it before.

Just wondering...But did you do this by fishing. Or trying to pull in a snag?

[J Francho]

I've gotten bent spools from striper and salmon guys using braid and too much drag.

[bigbassctchr101]

I've gotten bent spools from striper and salmon guys using braid and too much drag.

You think the same thing would have happened it you wasn't using as much drag???

---Sorry, i just actually read that. Do you think they would have the same results if they did not use as much?

Or will braid always do that under a certain strain if connected directly to the spool? If the bending of the spool only took 15lbs, and the striper is pulling 15lbs, will you have a bent spool wether the drag is set properly or not?

[J Francho]

Do you think they would have the same results if they did not use as much?

No.

[aavery2]

It will definitely torque the spool and bend it - I've done it before.

Might want to loosen that drag a touch.......

[aavery2]

Things just don't add up when you think about this logically, most baitcast reels on the market today with stock drag setups are capable of producing drag in the range of 8-12 lbs, tthere are some exceptions as the Revo series has reels with multi-stage CF disks that produce in excess of 20lbs. Even with the drag cranked down these reels are much more likely to suffer damage to the fine teeth of the pinion and main gear long before they produce enough stress to bend the shaft on a spool.

Keep in mind these are my opinions, I have worked on reels for a number of years, I have seen both damaged teeth and damaged spools, teeth can be damaged by excessive drag and hard hooksets with braid, I have never seen a damaged spool as the result of braid being tied to the spool, most are the result of mis-handleing.

[dodgeguy]

i've been using braid since the 90's and have never bent a spool.

[Khong Y.]

i've been using braid since the 90's and have never bent a spool.

I don't know what he is fishing but I'm with you on this. I doubt a bass will bent a spool! I'm sure the rod will break before your reel. If and only if your reel break before your rod, you need to buy a better quality reel. LOL!