Casting: Let Physics Do The Work

[dulouz]

I was watching KVD's "Pitchin' to Heavey Hitters" video and in addition to pitchin' and flippin' he discusses a third cast. Before casting he whips the bait around the tip once. I started trying it out today and it is pretty cool. Whipping it around like that really adds a lot of momentum and it goes really far, on a low trajectory (sp??) with just a little snap of the wrist. Pretty cool.

[grimlin]

Yup roll cast....90% of my casts with baitcasters start with this cast.

[RoLo]

Yup roll cast....90% of my casts with baitcasters start with this cast.

Actually, a "roll cast" is used in fly-fishing.

With the rod held vertical (tip at noon), the tip is lowered briskly until the rod is horizontal to the waterline.

Because it eliminates the back-cast, the 'roll cast' is great for fishing in front of a tree-line.

Roger

[J Francho]

All he's doing is loading the rod, key to any cast, whatever you want to call it.

[Gangley]

Its a great casting method for getting under overhangs. Most of my casts are similar in mechanics to the roll cast you describe, but with a larger radius and a little more "oomph"

[GrundleLove]

that is a "method"? HA! I have been doing that every time, i literally thought that's how you cast baitcasters rofl

[Jigfishn10]

You can get 2 different results in the way you bring the lure around your rod tip on the release. By that I mean, if you circle the lure clockwise (if you're a righty), the lure comes out under the rod. Counter-clockwise over the rod. The counter-clockwise will present the lure almost like a sinker ball...I'm having a hard time trying to explain it, but try it, you'll understand....

[dulouz]

You can get 2 different results in the way you bring the lure around your rod tip on the release. By that I mean, if you circle the lure clockwise (if you're a righty), the lure comes out under the rod. Counter-clockwise over the rod. The counter-clockwise will present the lure almost like a sinker ball...I'm having a hard time trying to explain it, but try it, you'll understand....

I get what you are saying. I was trying an underhand spin, I don't know if I would want to do it the other way.

[J Francho]

0:05 shows the underhand flip:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tline150#p/u/3/GUkg2C3GEHA

[dulouz]

0:05 shows the underhand flip:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tline150#p/u/3/GUkg2C3GEHA

That looks like what I was seeing on the KVD video. It is hard to tell though because it happens so fast. You can see something different happening on the cast, but it is not clear what. J Francho, can you describe what you are doing?

[J Francho]

I actually had the line tip wrapped once, so there's two flips of the bait - one to unwrap the tip, the other for the cast. All I feel like I'm doing is lobbing the bait (3/8 oz. tungsten and Rage Craw) once I feel I've loaded the rod. It's just a quick back cast that sends the bait in a twirl, and you release like a pitch cast. I wish I could describe it better.

[Hamby]

I actually had the line tip wrapped once, so there's two flips of the bait - one to unwrap the tip, the other for the cast. All I feel like I'm doing is lobbing the bait (3/8 oz. tungsten and Rage Craw) once I feel I've loaded the rod. It's just a quick back cast that sends the bait in a twirl, and you release like a pitch cast. I wish I could describe it better.

I started doing something like this last year and it's very accurate, fairly quiet, and good for shooting the bait in tight places. I have to use two hands though...otherwise there's no accuracy. I say "shooting the bait" in places because that's exactly what it looks like i'm trying to do.

When i do it is kinda like a regular side arm or roll cast, but i start with the rod pointing where i want the bait to go and end up with it around the same place. You have to feather the spool to keep the bait low to the water too, otherwise you won't have as much accuracy.

What i need to practice is the backhand cast like that. I think it requires more strength in the wrist. My friend makes it look so easy. He slides the bait into places no problem.

[Jigfishn10]

I get what you are saying. I was trying an underhand spin, I don't know if I would want to do it the other way.

No problem, I was just indicating a variation of what your op was about.

I use both. If I'm shore fishing and I have an overhang pretty close in front of me and i want to get the lure way past that to another target, I'll have my lure come under. It will start out on a low trajectory and then will rise before it falls...Like a submarine pitcher.

If that overhanging tree is my target, then I want my lure coming over the top. It will won't rise per se, but when it gets to the target, it drops off the plate like a sinker ball.

[clayton86]

I tried doing this cast a while ago and I just kept getting ugly backlashes

[dulouz]

I started doing something like this last year and it's very accurate, fairly quiet, and good for shooting the bait in tight places. I have to use two hands though...otherwise there's no accuracy. I say "shooting the bait" in places because that's exactly what it looks like i'm trying to do.

I would say shooting is a good description. The bait already has momentum when it leave the rod and it goes much further with less effort from the cast itself. It also has less of an arc and direct forward motion that would be great for shooting under low hanging trees.

[Fishing Rhino]

There is a distinct advantage to that type of cast. It has nothing to do with distance or trajectory. Francho touched on it when he mentioned loading the rod. That little swing around the tip of the rod accelerates the bait more gradually than the traditional swing the rod back then give it a forceful forward thrust.

What has just happened? You've instantaneously reversed the direction of the bait, putting a lot more force on it than when you loop it around the rod tip.

Ever tried to make a long "standard" cast to a swirl with a fragile bait like a senko, only to see it sail a hundred feet, while the hook only goes thirty or forty?

Physics is definitely involved. The physics of inertia and acceleration.

[Catt]

The physics of inertia and acceleration

http://youtu.be/P6IbbZRlKCo

[Jim_M]

Bought my first baitcast reel a month back, (I am VERY new to fishing period) and the "underhand cast" is the only cast I can do. My attempts at the other casting techniques have been pathetic.

Jim