Observation about "saving money"

[bilgerat]

Pick most any product (doesn't have to be fishing related) and there are only X number of facilities that are capable of producing them. There are way more brands of anti freeze, chewing gum, etc. than the factories that produce them. A lot of name brands are just that, a name. The name, especially an old established one, is a powerful marketing tool. The original creator of the product could be decades out of the picture, but the name lives on because customers are comfortable with it. It's possible that the Lucky Craft brand could be sold off, and the new owners decide to cut costs (corners?) while still selling it under the Lucky Craft name. Happens all of the time.

After fishing for a while, you'll figure out what to stay away from. There's plenty of crap out there, but a lot of hidden gems also.

My point is that the more educated you are, the better choices you can make. If a .99 cent bag of clearance bin worms catches you fish, you scored an excellent deal. Run back and get more before they're gone. It's only fishing, no one gets hurt. People that buy $20 baits shouldn't worry about people that don't and that works the opposite way also.

[Triton21]

I have a fairly substantial collection of Rogues. Although I fished

them successfully for several years, I rarely (never) use them

anymore. There are several reasons why other jerkbaits are a

better investment.

First of all, Rogues are built poorly. I have spoken with a Smithwick

representative about this. Bottomline is, they're cheap to produce

and the company is always willing to exchange one for another. There

is no incentive to improve the lure. (However, for $2 more you can now

buy Rogues with Gamakatsu hooks).

Second, many of the lures are defective right out of the box and

some of the others "go bad" over time. The most common problem

is failure to suspend. Lots of guys use suspending dots to correct this

problem, but it's still an issue. Another common feature after awhile,

some of the lures lose buoyancy and sink.

Third, balance and weight are awful. This really comes into play if

you fish at night. We call it "foot in mouth", the correct term is foul

hooked. This is very common when casting a Rogue, but almost

unheard of casting a Lucky Craft or X-Rap.

Finally, when casting distance is important, Smithwick Rogues finish

dead solid last.

So, in my opinion, buying Rogues is not an option. Money "saved" is

just less money wasted.

Send the Rouges to me RW, I will make good use of them.

Kelleey

[CODbasser]

If you want to pay high dollar for a brand name for the status symbol of I wanna be like them.. waste your money they are more than happy to make your wallet lighter. Your paying for a name and because it takes some skill to locate the china company you pay the price they ask. They pay about $0.70 to buy it and have it packaged with logo per lure (called OEM or private branding) you pay that high price $14. Most people just say look that chinese is copying lure company xyz which isn't the case xyz just put their name on that china company's lure. the funny part is people will buy the name brand over an unknown name even though it is the exact same lure made from the same company. they will down grade the lower cost product and feel happy that they didn't waste money on the cheap imitation of the name brand they fell in love with. Janns netcraft has pointers cheap yet if you don't have lucky craft on the belly "it is just a crap copy" same lure same manufacture different private brand. :

i dont pay for a name...i pay for what works...you show me a 5$ lure that is the same as a lucky craft and i will buy 100 of em...i dont care about the name...i care about what works...paying 15 bucks for a lure isnt gonna hurt my wallet...especially not if it wins me a few hundred..

cut a pointer 78 in half and cut the janns springer 78 in half and tell me if you still think its the same bait...

[Bassn Blvd]

If you have to ask "how much it cost" then you probably can't afford it.

[Primus]

I try to buy what works period. As an example with regard to suspended jerkbaits. I have fished the last few years with a guy that fishes only Husky Jerks & X raps. There are times when he does well with these baits, and I will often throw these as well. However, there are times when I'm outfishing him 10 to 1 when the fish seem to prefer my Megabass Trick Darter, Ima Flit, Jackall Squad Minnow or Pointers. Also Rapala which I think is an outstanding lure company doesn't offer their jerk baits in tranluscent colors like Ghost Minnow, there are times it seems to make a big difference. Same thing with crankbaits & topwaters. Some of the best baits are your typical 5-8$ baits like your Baby 1 minus, Spooks, DD22 etc. Also some of the best baits are your 15$ Lucky Craft Sammy topwaters, RC Cranks. Yellow Magic poppers etc. I'm fortuneate to have all these great baits to use, however if you prefer not to spend money on expensive japanese baits you can still be a productive fisherman with a lot of the standard 5-8$ lures. That said, I've seen times when these japanese baits have that little something extra that at times will give you an edge.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

I try to buy what works period. As an example with regard to suspended jerkbaits. I have fished the last few years with a guy that fishes only Husky Jerks & X raps. There are times when he does well with these baits, and I will often throw these as well. However, there are times when I'm outfishing him 10 to 1 when the fish seem to prefer my Megabass Trick Darter, Ima Flit, Jackall Squad Minnow or Pointers. Also Rapala which I think is an outstanding lure company doesn't offer their jerk baits in tranluscent colors like Ghost Minnow, there are times it seems to make a big difference. Same thing with crankbaits & topwaters. Some of the best baits are your typical 5-8$ baits like your Baby 1 minus, Spooks, DD22 etc. Also some of the best baits are your 15$ Lucky Craft Sammy topwaters, RC Cranks. Yellow Magic poppers etc. I'm fortuneate to have all these great baits to use, however if you prefer not to spend money on expensive japanese baits you can still be a productive fisherman with a lot of the standard 5-8$ lures. That said, I've seen times when these japanese baits have that little something extra that at times will give you an edge.

I have seen times when a manns augertail at roughly 10 cents outfishes my x rap ..so in actuallity the edge dont have to be more then what your using money wise

[fathom]

i'll say it again.........if it works, it's worth it.

if it don't, it ain't.

[Stringjam]

I know some fishermen who roll their eyes at my expensive crankbaits - and then they spend over $100 a month on beer.

I just like to spend my money on stuff that works, and the cheapest flatsided crankbaits that are worth a darn start at $15.

I have plenty of cheap gems in my boxes, too. Wiggle Warts and Cordell Spots come to mind.

More often than not on this board, I've noticed it's the guys who despise high-end lures that do all the bashing of guys who do. "Reverse snobbery" if you will. IMO, if you don't have real-life experience using the lures you're bashing, your opinion really doesn't hold much weight.

Years ago when Pointers first started shipping over here, I was a Rogue user. I remember scoffing, myself.....laughing at the lunacy of a $15 jerkbait and the (in my inexperienced mind) gullibility of the fishermen buying them. Of course, that all changed when I got some ACTUAL EXPERIENCE USING THE BAITS, and now my Rogues are collecting dust.

[bass wrangler569]

I know some fishermen who roll their eyes at my expensive crankbaits - and then they spend over $100 a month on beer.

I just like to spend my money on stuff that works, and the cheapest flatsided crankbaits that are worth a darn start at $15.

I have plenty of cheap gems in my boxes, too. Wiggle Warts and Cordell Spots come to mind.

More often than not on this board, I've noticed it's the guys who despise high-end lures that do all the bashing of guys who do. "Reverse snobbery" if you will. IMO, if you don't have real-life experience using the lures you're bashing, your opinion really doesn't hold much weight.

Years ago when Pointers first started shipping over here, I was a Rogue user. I remember scoffing, myself.....laughing at the lunacy of a $15 jerkbait and the (in my inexperienced mind) gullibility of the fishermen buying them. Of course, that all changed when I got some ACTUAL EXPERIENCE USING THE BAITS, and now my Rogues are collecting dust.

X2 Great post!

I have never seen anybody on this forum who uses high end baits berate somebody who doesn't. Its always the opposite, people who hate high end lures criticize those who use them when they haven't even tried them. I can never understand people who give their opinions about things they don't have any experience with. I guarantee that 95% of these people would have different opinions if they actually tried a high-end lure.

[CODbasser]

I know some fishermen who roll their eyes at my expensive crankbaits - and then they spend over $100 a month on beer.

I just like to spend my money on stuff that works, and the cheapest flatsided crankbaits that are worth a darn start at $15.

I have plenty of cheap gems in my boxes, too. Wiggle Warts and Cordell Spots come to mind.

More often than not on this board, I've noticed it's the guys who despise high-end lures that do all the bashing of guys who do. "Reverse snobbery" if you will. IMO, if you don't have real-life experience using the lures you're bashing, your opinion really doesn't hold much weight.

Years ago when Pointers first started shipping over here, I was a Rogue user. I remember scoffing, myself.....laughing at the lunacy of a $15 jerkbait and the (in my inexperienced mind) gullibility of the fishermen buying them. Of course, that all changed when I got some ACTUAL EXPERIENCE USING THE BAITS, and now my Rogues are collecting dust.

X2 Great post!

I have never seen anybody on this forum who uses high end baits berate somebody who doesn't. Its always the opposite, people who hate high end lures criticize those who use them when they haven't even tried them. I can never understand people who give their opinions about things they don't have any experience with. I guarantee that 95% of these people would have different opinions if they actually tried a high-end lure.

well said!!!  

[basspro96]

All I want to know is where are you guys gettin Rapala's for five bucks. In my neck of the woods they are AT LEAST 8 bucks.

[Chris]

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* You would be shocked at how cheap lures really are and the price you pay for a name. You can buy the same lure as they do from the same company that makes them.  :-?

[CODbasser]

do you have some links?? i would like to get some of these lures..heck if i can save a couple hundred bucks a year why not...

[Chris]

We as Americans don't make to many lures or products in general. We have high taxes, high labor rates, and tree huggers. Which kills profits and is why jobs and services are farmed out of country. Many companies turn to china products because they can make huge profits. They profit because they gage what to charge for the product either by US rates to produce a lure or they drop the price giving the customer a break that is passed onto the consumer. Companies are built using virtual employees, virtual capabilities, virtual machines. In other words company (A) is the real manufacture willing to put your name on the product or can build what you want for a low cost. Company ( is just an importer that has a great name and logo and has a great engine behind the company. Everyone says we are in the information age which is more true than you know. For the first time smaller companies have the abilities of larger companies they just neglect to tell you that they are just farming it out. Are they misrepresenting themselves no they just know more about the business than you do and know who can build what while they profit from a companies laziness and lack of information. Most people want the easy way out and would rather go with a franchise so to speak instead of building there own company. When you build a website or company nobody knows how big of a company is behind the website. Many companies slap a name and logo on a product and say look what I made. The reality is that they are just a distributor/ importer that has built a private brand not product and pushing it as their own not to say that the company can't create its own designs. Before the Internet companies had to meet with companies to do business which means it would be hard to see the company behind the company. In the information age with the Internet the world becomes smaller and with some work on your part you can find the company behind the company. You pay what you pay for lures because your not informed because most people still believe that the logo company builds the lure that they sell. (some do most don't)The company you see is the American that has the name that has built the engine that is sticking it to you. The company that makes the lure if they are lucky might make a million the company distributing does make millions. Notice as soon as the Internet took hold there was an explosion of new larger companies that make lures? More people have access to information then before and use it to build companies. I did say companies not lures, lures come after the company takes off and they go back to build their own ideas via china. Ever notice when a company has a good selling idea that everyone has a copy? Either they take the idea to a company to copy it or they find the company that makes it for them and have them make it with their logo. GLCfishing.com would be an example of an importer. alibaba.com has a listing of lures made from all over the world. These are the companies behind the company. It isn't a factor of if I can afford the high priced lures it is more of a factor that you can not afford the bulk buy that is required to buy the high priced lures cheap but there are distributors on that alibaba site that does deal in smaller quantities.

[Stringjam]

FWIW......90% of the lures I'm spending coin on are made here in in the U.S. by individuals or very small makers.

I believe Chris is talking about high-end Japanese companies - and mostly injection-molded plastic lures. I definitely have some keepers in my box from this category, but it's not really what defines "high end" to me.

Most of what I own and consider truly "high-end" is made by companies/guys like Flat-Shad, JawJacker, Brian's Bees, Big M, Richard Manley, Kelly Lures, Zoom WEC, Nomad (BlackJack), etc....

Don't be fooled into thinking that all "high-end" Asian plastic baits are great performers simply because of the aesthetic. I have a very expensive EverGreen FSR that is one of the biggest disappointments in my flatsided box. Not even in the same league as a Flat-Shad Sonny B, and a high-end Asian balsa plug made by Arcadia Reef that is the most worthless crank I own.

Some of the best baits being made in Japan are by companies like T.H., Woodream, Flutter, Nakamura, FD Custom, and Kaihatsu....the problem is distribution...they're low volume and sell only in Japan.

I'm only concerned with what works.....not what looks great or has enough hype surrounding it.  I'll pay for performance....whether it's $4 for a Wiggle Wart, $15 for a Flat-Shad, or $20+ for a Kelly custom.  

[paul.]

i caught my biggest bass on a srike king denny brauer pro model jig from wal-mart. cost at the time was less than 2 bucks. second biggest bass (avatar) was caught on an oldham's trailer hitch jig which i found on clearance for, believe it or not, 25 cents. several other big bass have fallen victim to a bare hook (a few pennies) with a live bait attached (free). the most "expensive" lure i ever caught a 10+ on was a big rapala x-walk - around 10 bucks if i remember right.  i can't remember any of the other biggest fish i've caught falling prey to a bait that cost over 5 bucks.  imo, too many people place way too much emphasis on the "what" of fishing (as in what they are throwing). i tend to focus more on the "when" and the "where". interesting thread here.

[Stringjam]

There's truth in some of your statements Paul, but crankbaits and jerkbaits are a very different world than jigs.

I'm as cheap as I can be - - believe it or not. I pour my own jigs, spinnerbaits, buzzbaits, etc....for way less than you can buy them at a store. Saves me a ton of money because I go through jigs like candy with all the craggy rock around here.      

Cranks and jerkbaits are a different story, though.....there really is a big difference between the performance of ok cranks and the performance of cranks that really put fish in the boat.

It isn't always characterized by price, but in the case of several categories of design, the expensive bait is completely worth it (to me).  It isn't about price, it's about getting a crank that does what you want it to.  Some are cheap - - some are not.        

[The_Natural]

Some expensive Japanese lures work excellently

Some Cheap American baits such as Norman Lures work well also.

I feel just buying one or the other is ignorant.  

Also, paying $25.00 for a Chinese made lure is a joke....if you are paying good money for a crankbait and don't look at where it is manufactured...you are an idiot.  Lucky Craft, Megabass, and Evergreen cranks are made in Japan, where labor is expensive and precise.  

[senile1]

If you have to ask "how much it cost" then you probably can't afford it.

Not true.  Many of us grew up poor and made our way.  Now that we have good income we still are frugal, looking for quality at the lowest price in every product we buy.  It has nothing to do with what we can afford.  

[bassin is addicting]

so..... Sirsnookalot....

I have an unlimited budget

do you take that "girl" as your fishin' buddy with you often?? 8-)

[bassin is addicting]

Okay, I'm going to try to explain this again because it seems like some people don't understand my point. I am not saying that cheap baits don't catch fish, I am not even saying that cheap baits don't catch a lot of fish. I'm also not telling anybody to spend beyond their budget. I am simply making the observation that some people spend $100 dollars on 20 lures in a 20 different colors, 15 of which will probably never see the water and they think they are saving money by buying cheaper lures. I'm am saying that it might be wiser to spend $100 on 6 or 7 lures in productive colors that you know you will actually use. I'm not telling anybody how to spend their money because its not my place and frankly I could care less what people do with their money. I am simply making an observation based on my experience with the people that I have met and fished with. Take it or leave it. I'm not trying to step on anybodies toes. Bass-Brat summed it up best, buy what works.

aren't we really talking about the infamous BAIT MONKEY

we all get caught up in it in some form...whether it is the high end or the budget fisherman.  i see your point.  i tend to buy the "cheap" hardbaits rather than the LC (ok, never bought an LC) but i find myself going 3 or 4 times.  and seein' what's on "sale".    i would be afraid to use the LC cause i wouldn't want to lose it.  but also since the 'ol BAIT MONKEY bites so often, even if i bought the LC's i'm not sure i could keep from buying other "stuff"   :-/

[bass wrangler569]

If you fish from a boat, you really won't lose them often at all, at least I don't. I've lost maybe three total, two of which were because I was an idiot and was too lazy to retie when I should have, and the third was heartbreaking. I had a 5.5lb+ smallmouth literally slip out of my hand and break it off... Most depressing thing ever...  :'( :'( :'(

[SirSnookalot]

so..... Sirsnookalot....

I have an unlimited budget

do you take that "girl" as your fishin' buddy with you often?? 8-)

HAHA,,,,,,, ;D

You bet!!

[cato]

OK I've got to chime in on this one. First things first, If you cant afford the more expensive stuff there is no shame in fishing with whatever you can afford. Afford here being the key word! spending $20 on a lure for one person is not as much of a burden as it is for another. I will buy whatever I thinks works. I have some $2 stuff and I have some $20 stuff and I am fortunate enough to have a great job that allows me to try out new lures even if they do cost $20 each but its not something I choose to do often. I gaurantee you that there are people on this board with very limited budgets with the cheapest equipment that will outfish me and lots of you any day of the week.