With The Way That Game Ended...

[Captin Obvious]

Ok I don't think that Phil is done yet. Maybe if his team would have finished like champions but after what happen last night

[llPa1nll]

He had said in a post game interview he really didnt want to come back for this year. However did so because they had a chance at a 3-peat. He is one of the best coaches granted, however going to the teams that only have elite players on them is 75% of job. I personally believe Red Auerbach is a better coach, just my opinion.

[Grey Wolf]

It's time to move on.

[OHIO]

He is the best coach ever in the NBA IMO. He has 11 titles and has coached the two best players ever in the NBA.

I think he should quit just due to the fact that he has nothing more to prove.

And by the looks of things, his team won't be too good next year either.

On a side note, I have lost the little respect I had for Bynum and Odom after what they did last night to Nowitzki and Barea.

[SausageFingers]

I am so happy with the way the Lakers season ended. I would love for Phil to end his career on that note.

[deaknh03]

I agree with sausage fingers, it would be great for this to be Phil's last game. he was carried by Jordan and Kobe, the 2 best players in the last 20 years, and I don't count Lebron because when I say best players, I mean players that show up and are the best when it counts.

[Captin Obvious]

On a side note, I have lost the little respect I had for Bynum and Odom after what they did last night to Nowitzki and Barea.

They were both cheap shots, at least Odoms wasn't meant to hurt anybody but Bynum needs to miss more than a third of next season.

[llPa1nll]

They were both cheap shots, at least Odoms wasn't meant to hurt anybody but Bynum needs to miss more than a third of next season.

Could not agree more he needs to miss at least 20 games next year.

[OHIO]

They were both cheap shots, at least Odoms wasn't meant to hurt anybody but Bynum needs to miss more than a third of next season.

Yes. I was surprised by Odom because he is usually a stand up guy, but Bynum, that's a different story.

He has done things like this before and I completely agree he should miss a lot of next season.

I guess I'm a little bias though since I'm a Celtics fan and all.

[OHIO]

I agree with sausage fingers, it would be great for this to be Phil's last game. he was carried by Jordan and Kobe, the 2 best players in the last 20 years, and I don't count Lebron because when I say best players, I mean players that show up and are the best when it counts.

There are only a few other coaches that could have done what Jackson did even with the help of Jordan and Kobe.

In my mind, that says a lot about how good of a coach he was.

[deaknh03]

There are only a few other coaches that could have done what Jackson did even with the help of Jordan and Kobe.

In my mind, that says a lot about how good of a coach he was.

I'm pretty sure the monkey from every which way but loose could have won championships with Jordan,Pippen, Rodman and the rest, same with Kobe,Odom,Gasol, et al. Don't forget how truly talented those 2 teams were, by far the most talented teams of their times, led by the 2 most talented,driven players of their time.Jackson was along for the ride.

[Bass_Fanatic]

I'm pretty sure the monkey from every which way but loose could have won championships with Jordan,Pippen, Rodman and the rest, same with Kobe,Odom,Gasol, et al. Don't forget how truly talented those 2 teams were, by far the most talented teams of their times, led by the 2 most talented,driven players of their time.Jackson was along for the ride.

I wouldnt say by "by far the most talented teams of thier times". Remember the Rockets in the 90's. They won 2 in a row. The Jazz and Supersonics were superior teams then too. If not for the Bulls, I say the Jazz win 3 or 4 in the 90's. Also remember before Phil the Bulls couldn't get over the hump. Phil comes, they win.

Same for the Lakers. Before Phil, they couldn't do it, but Phil came and they began to win Championships.

[OHIO]

I'm pretty sure the monkey from every which way but loose could have won championships with Jordan,Pippen, Rodman and the rest, same with Kobe,Odom,Gasol, et al. Don't forget how truly talented those 2 teams were, by far the most talented teams of their times, led by the 2 most talented,driven players of their time.Jackson was along for the ride.

Could you have won championships with them?

Please don't say yes.

[zero limit]

What happened to the Bulls when Jordan retired for 2 yrs.?

Jordan comes back and wins 3 more in a row.

If Jordan didn't retire they would of won 8 titles in a row.

I would not call Jackson a great coach, Just good w/ a lot of luck.

No Jordan or kobe we would not even be talking about this.

Next year the Heat will be looking for a new head coach, and I know Jackson and Riley can't stand each other but........? Jackson only coach's pre made teams with superstars

[deaknh03]

I wouldnt say by "by far the most talented teams of thier times". Remember the Rockets in the 90's. They won 2 in a row. The Jazz and Supersonics were superior teams then too. If not for the Bulls, I say the Jazz win 3 or 4 in the 90's. Also remember before Phil the Bulls couldn't get over the hump. Phil comes, they win.

Same for the Lakers. Before Phil, they couldn't do it, but Phil came and they began to win Championships.

Those teams were good yes, but the Bulls had by far the most talent, plus Jordan,in his prime,no contest. Then Jackson goes to LA with Shaq when he was still dominant, and Kobe just becoming a superstar. No I couldn't have coached these teams to championships, but I think 80% of NBA coaches could have. The Bulls couldn't get over the hump because they were still coming together as a team, and when he took over the Lakers, they were stacked and ready to dominate. They had Shaq, Kobe, Glen Rice, Derek Fisher, John Salley, Ron Harper, Robert Horrey, AC Green, Brian Shaw, and Horace Grant. Not a bad team to step into.

[OHIO]

Every good coach has good players. Teams don't win unless they have good players.

Coaches are a huge part of bringing the team together and creating chemistry.

Remember the Heat at the beginning of this season? They sucked because they had no chemistry with each other.

Spoelstra had a lot to do with bringing those guys together and there are two all stars on that team.

Also, you think Red Auerbach was a better coach than Phil Jackson? Why? He had a ton of talent on his teams too.

He did nothing with the Celtics until Bill Russell came along and he had Cousy before that.

And don't forget that some other guys coached the same teams that Jackson did and couldn't do anything with them.

[deaknh03]

Every good coach has good players. Teams don't win unless they have good players.

Coaches are a huge part of bringing the team together and creating chemistry.

Remember the Heat at the beginning of this season? They sucked because they had no chemistry with each other.

Spoelstra had a lot to do with bringing those guys together and there are two all stars on that team.

Also, you think Red Auerbach was a better coach than Phil Jackson? Why? He had a ton of talent on his teams too.

He did nothing with the Celtics until Bill Russell came along and he had Cousy before that.

And don't forget that some other guys coached the same teams that Jackson did and couldn't do anything with them.

I don't think there is a comparison between Red and Phil. Red built his teams, picking players that were controversial at the time, but the fact is, he chose each player on all of his teams, jackson merely chose the most talented team,already constructed. The teams jackson coached were coached by other men, but they were not the same team. Before Jackson came to LA Kobe was a rookie and 2nd year, immature player, and in Chicago the same could be said for Pippen and somewhat Jordan. With all of this being said, NBA coaches are more of babysitters, now the nfl is where we can talk coaches, give me Bellichick any day.

[OHIO]

I don't think there is a comparison between Red and Phil. Red built his teams, picking players that were controversial at the time, but the fact is, he chose each player on all of his teams, jackson merely chose the most talented team,already constructed. The teams jackson coached were coached by other men, but they were not the same team. Before Jackson came to LA Kobe was a rookie and 2nd year, immature player, and in Chicago the same could be said for Pippen and somewhat Jordan. With all of this being said, NBA coaches are more of babysitters, now the nfl is where we can talk coaches, give me Bellichick any day.

There is more you have to do as a coach then teach the players to be better on the court.

There is so much ego involved with superstars like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, and Pippen.

Jordan and Pippen did not like each other. Phil Jackson solved that.

Kobe wasn't a team player. Phil Jackson solved that.

Without Phil Jackson being able to coach the actual people inside the players, he wouldn't have won a championship.

That's why he was a great coach.

[deaknh03]

There is more you have to do as a coach then teach the players to be better on the court.

There is so much ego involved with superstars like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, and Pippen.

Jordan and Pippen did not like each other. Phil Jackson solved that.

Kobe wasn't a team player. Phil Jackson solved that.

Without Phil Jackson being able to coach the actual people inside the players, he wouldn't have won a championship.

That's why he was a great coach.

That is why I said NBA coaches are more like babysitters.

[Captin Obvious]

If your really want to talk about who is the best "coach" I would say Gregg Popovich.

Ok hear me out before you totally slam this post.

What is one thing the Jackson and Red both had? Each one of the teams they coached had the best player in the league at that time. Jordan, Russel, and Kobe just might be the three best players ever to play the game.

Now only the best coaches could have lead those teams to as many championships. But I would argue that with the talent on those teams a very good coach would have been able to lead them to at least 3 apiece and thats being conservative.

At the end of the day it was the players that mattered on those teams. Russel went on to coach and play for the C's leading them to a few more rings without Red. Jordan took some time off and the bulls didn't even make the finals even though the had a lot of talent. Even Kobe and Jackson couldn't do anything till Gasol came.

Now thats the evidence for why I think that Red and Jackson who are some of the best " Team Mangers" are not the best "coaches"

Now here is why I think Greg Popovich is the best "coach" we have ever seen (I'm not talking about all time).

Pop has four rings which isn't even half of what Jackson and Red have. But if you look at who was playing on those teams when Pop won you start to wonder how did he win those rings.

Ok the first ring he had a stacked team and maybe even the second one, but for the last two rings there is no denying that the talent on the team was not the best in the league at the time.

For as good as Tim Duncan was he was past his prime for the last two rings, and Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are sometimes allstars but it would be a stretch to call ether of them a "Number 2" by himself. But the fact remains that the Spurs keep wining no matter who plays on that team. Think about it they lead the West this year for almost the whole year. Yes they left in the first round but who even expected them to be there in first place.

What I'm getting at is the Spurs success can be tracked to one man and that is Pop. The Spurs are Pops team,You'd never see a Denis Rodman or Ron Artest on Pops teams because he wouldn't let someone like that in his locker room. His players all respect him and play his way not their way.Pops team would never take cheap shots like the Lakers did and if one guy did Pop would have thrown him out before the you could blink and not sit in his chair with the a "I can't wait to get out of here look" like Jackson.

The guy knows how to win and he doesn't need the best player in the world to do it. the Spurs are Pop's team just like the Lakers are Kobe's and the Bulls were Jordan's and the Celtics were Russel's.

Ok guys go ahead and chew this up as much as you want but just ask yourself this " Would Phil Jackson or Red be able to win 4 rings with the Spurs?"

Food for thought

Capt.O

[deaknh03]

If your really want to talk about who is the best "coach" I would say Gregg Popovich.

Ok hear me out before you totally slam this post.

What is one thing the Jackson and Red both had? Each one of the teams they coached had the best player in the league at that time. Jordan, Russel, and Kobe just might be the three best players ever to play the game.

Now only the best coaches could have lead those teams to as many championships. But I would argue that with the talent on those teams a very good coach would have been able to lead them to at least 3 apiece and thats being conservative.

At the end of the day it was the players that mattered on those teams. Russel went on to coach and play for the C's leading them to a few more rings without Red. Jordan took some time off and the bulls didn't even make the finals even though the had a lot of talent. Even Kobe and Jackson couldn't do anything till Gasol came.

Now thats the evidence for why I think that Red and Jackson who are some of the best " Team Mangers" are not the best "coaches"

Now here is why I think Greg Popovich is the best "coach" we have ever seen (I'm not talking about all time).

Pop has four rings which isn't even half of what Jackson and Red have. But if you look at who was playing on those teams when Pop won you start to wonder how did he win those rings.

Ok the first ring he had a stacked team and maybe even the second one, but for the last two rings there is no denying that the talent on the team was not the best in the league at the time.

For as good as Tim Duncan was he was past his prime for the last two rings, and Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are sometimes allstars but it would be a stretch to call ether of them a "Number 2" by himself. But the fact remains that the Spurs keep wining no matter who plays on that team. Think about it they lead the West this year for almost the whole year. Yes they left in the first round but who even expected them to be there in first place.

What I'm getting at is the Spurs success can be tracked to one man and that is Pop. The Spurs are Pops team,You'd never see a Denis Rodman or Ron Artest on Pops teams because he wouldn't let someone like that in his locker room. His players all respect him and play his way not their way.Pops team would never take cheap shots like the Lakers did and if one guy did Pop would have thrown him out before the you could blink and not sit in his chair with the a "I can't wait to get out of here look" like Jackson.

The guy knows how to win and he doesn't need the best player in the world to do it. the Spurs are Pop's team just like the Lakers are Kobe's and the Bulls were Jordan's and the Celtics were Russel's.

Ok guys go ahead and chew this up as much as you want but just ask yourself this " Would Phil Jackson or Red be able to win 4 rings with the Spurs?"

Food for thought

Capt.O

Very good thoughts, I still think NFL has the only coaches that truly coach, the NBA and MLB coaches need to keep the players in line and once in a while they need to make a tactical decision, whereas NFL coaches need to make important decisions on every play of the game. Sorry to get off topic! Pop is a great coach, but Red still is tops, for the lone fact that he constructed then coached the teams. Let's not forget the players he chose, and the turmoil of the times he had to coach his black players thru, especially in Boston, and the flack he put up with to take them in the first place.

[llPa1nll]

2 points, I dont think Russell was the best player of his time I think that would fall to Wilt Chamberlain. However that is truly debatable. I think Phil's coaching is suspect. He only coaches where he has the best players in the league. As Red said about Phil "He picks his spots, He picks his spots." Phil I think would be best be labeled instead of a coach but more of a masseuse of egos. You dont really coach MJ or Shaq and Kobe.

[OHIO]

Ok, no one is changing their mind. Let's agree to disagree.