Re: Throw tubes up river.

[bassnleo]

My river friend, I must respectfully disagree with you a little..............

When one fishes a tube throwing it up current, you are trying to acheive keeping the tube in the strike zone the entire time while working it back toward you. In many situations it is totally impossible to work a tube down current  because of obstructions or "snags" if you will.

To tell someone that tubes should always be fished down current is IMHO inaccurate.

If a river angler can match the water's drift speed and keep the tube in the strike zone, that's the key. One thing paramount to a good tube drift is the size of internal head used inside the tube. Use one too heavy and snags are frequent, too light, bait never touches bottom.  

I often fish tubes as you describe, but many others times I'm drifting right along with he current and making casts to targets, allowing the tube to bounce right along also.

Match the drift and you'll get bit.......

[justfishin]

Bassin Leo, do you fish the Susquehanna in the winter at 38-45 degree water temps when its running 5'5"- 6' at the Harrisburg station?, from City Island to Montgomery's Ferry, especially from the statue to Duncannon,as well as around Clemson Island and the PL's? and if you so, do you " drift fish " in these conditions? Just curious.

[bassnleo]

Not the Susky but the Allegheny in conditions you describe. Don't get me wrong, I do agree that in certain times it is necessary to throw upstream, but in other situations drifting along can and does produce fish. It allows you to target small pockets and eddies created by breaks along the shorline, they might be small, but it seems that when water is high and fish are using these small breaks that every single one holds fish.

Maybe it's different styles of fishing we are comparing, I just have found that to say that you ALWAYS throw upriver would be a little misleading, at least on the rivers here.

[Crowcommander]

Just wondering,JUSTFISHIN,Do you ever use your jetfoot to hold yourself in position in these eddies. I saw a guy doing this on the Ouachita river(with a tiller steer).Didn't get a chance to talk to him though.Crowcommander.

[roadwarrior]

justfishin,

That is a beautiful stretch of river, but it looks VERY dangerous to me, too. I hope anyone planning to fish there will heed your advice.

[justfishin]

Hmmmm, misleading, inaccurate, pretty harsh words, as well as, very inapropriate. No rebutal here. I have deleted my post and influx of my personal experiance and input.

[HPBB]

I don't understand. One guy has a difference of opion and you delete your post? every river is different. And he said "respecfully" in his first post. Its just a differance of styles no need to " take your fishing rod and go home" everybody has different styles. We are all freinds here.

I have fished both rivers and they as different as they are the same.  Different styles work better at certain times of the year.

[roadwarrior]

Wait a minute!

Man, I REALLY enjoyed this thread and especially the river pics.

justfishin,

I'm sorry you felt slighted, but it seemed like a light discussion to me... :-/

[justfishin]

Yes, it could have been a good thread. I did not pick up my rod and go home HPBB, I just felt myself getting a little angry at the terminology used. Misleading, and inaccurate were strong words and two I deemed inapropriate for the conversation, in other words, I was readin between the lines. I just nipped myself in the bud and shut it down. Plus, that section of river is  big and a numbers area in the winter and when Bassnleo pushed " drifting ", trust me, you cannot do that there. I was picturing one of the young guys in here going there and getting himself killed. He was not seeing this area. I agreed with him that some sections " drifting " can and does work. I don't do it but, have taken many flyfisherman drifting in the Harrisburg Airport area and see guys catch fish that way. We were talking of high, fast, water. Like you said, two different rivers. The Susky can hurt you. I am still confident that working your way up, and throwing up is going to put many more fish in the boat. Again, its preferance and a persons ablilitys and confidance that puts smallies in the boat. Its yesterdays news anyway. Hell, I am not mad at a difference of opinion, just the disrespect of the words, misleading and inaccurate. Plus, I got a lesson on tube wts. Ghezzz Louise, I have been smallie fishing for over 35 years and was a river guide for over 17, I mean, don't insult me to boot. I am not mad, I am just older, have not felt well, and grouchy, so I keep myself in check anymore before I do act like a idiot, ya know?,LOL. Have a good one fellas. ---Jim

[bassnleo]

justfishin,

I'm sorry that you felt slighted by the words I used, it was not my intention to attack you or your information.

My first reply said "To tell someone that tubes should always be fished down current is IMHO inaccurate"

After reading your first post you didn't really specify that you were talking about fishing rapids and current that most of us would not even try to navigate, let alone fish. At the end of you first post it also stated that you hoped some of the younger or inexperienced anglers could use your info. In reading your post I took from it that you always recommend fishing down current. I felt that younger or inexperienced anglers would maybe take that as "you should always fish river tubes downcurrent" which I sure you'll agree is not proper for all river situations. Had you posted the pics in the first post of the areas you were trying to describe I would have understood and probably agreed with you.

That would also describe my second post where I used the word misleading, describing same thing and also prior to you posting pics.

I'm sure the info you posted is not misleading or inaccurate in the rapids you fish. It certainly would not work most of the time here.....That's what I was trying to get across, all river situations are not the same.

"I got a lesson on tube weights"------ No insult on you intended, you just never mentioned it, thought some people following the thread may need to know that detail, I'm sure you agree with me there.

I'm terribly sorry you felt the need to delete you post, this discussion may have enlightened alot of people on new techniques to river fish :-/