Super User Catt Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 While it's good to learn new lures and techniques some times I feel we hurt our confidence to the point of putting us off on certain lures. I was one who taught that the only way to learn new lures and techniques was to bring nothing else in the boat. But how is it helping our confidence if we spend all day not getting bite? Some lure will produce under certain conditions while it's of waste time to even throw other lures. Case in point buzz baits; I can tell you in less than an hour if the bass are on a buzz bait bite on not, at least on Toledo Bend any way. So am I really helping a student by telling him not to have any thing on the deck but buzz baits? Quote
Super User Catt Posted December 17, 2010 Author Super User Posted December 17, 2010 While it's good to learn new lures and techniques some times I feel we hurt our confidence to the point of putting us off on certain lures. I was one who taught that the only way to learn new lures and techniques was to bring nothing else in the boat. But how is it helping our confidence if we spend all day not getting bite? Some lure will produce under certain conditions while it's of waste time to even throw other lures. Case in point buzz baits; I can tell you in less than an hour if the bass are on a buzz bait bite on not, at least on Toledo Bend any way. So am I really helping a student by telling him not to have any thing on the deck but buzz baits? Quote
Super User Catt Posted December 17, 2010 Author Super User Posted December 17, 2010 While it's good to learn new lures and techniques some times I feel we hurt our confidence to the point of putting us off on certain lures. I was one who taught that the only way to learn new lures and techniques was to bring nothing else in the boat. But how is it helping our confidence if we spend all day not getting bite? Some lure will produce under certain conditions while it's of waste time to even throw other lures. Case in point buzz baits; I can tell you in less than an hour if the bass are on a buzz bait bite on not, at least on Toledo Bend any way. So am I really helping a student by telling him not to have any thing on the deck but buzz baits? Â Â Quote
Ima Bass Ninja Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 There has to be a happy medium somewhere. On the other end of the spectrum if you only throw the baits you are confident with then you will never learn anything new. I usually like to break my time up on the water by giving equal time to a new technique and my confidence ones . That way when i leave i don't feel like i have wasted a day trying something i don't understand fully. BTW the current new technique i trying to learn is jig fishing. But until i learn this  Feeling a worm/jig bite requires keeping a certain amount of tension on your line while at the same time keeping a certain amount of slackness in your line. To the average angler this makes no sense at all but the worm/jig angler it makes total sense. i will always have a jig tied on Quote
Ima Bass Ninja Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 There has to be a happy medium somewhere. On the other end of the spectrum if you only throw the baits you are confident with then you will never learn anything new. I usually like to break my time up on the water by giving equal time to a new technique and my confidence ones . That way when i leave i don't feel like i have wasted a day trying something i don't understand fully. BTW the current new technique i trying to learn is jig fishing. But until i learn this  Feeling a worm/jig bite requires keeping a certain amount of tension on your line while at the same time keeping a certain amount of slackness in your line. To the average angler this makes no sense at all but the worm/jig angler it makes total sense. i will always have a jig tied on Quote
Ima Bass Ninja Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 There has to be a happy medium somewhere. On the other end of the spectrum if you only throw the baits you are confident with then you will never learn anything new. I usually like to break my time up on the water by giving equal time to a new technique and my confidence ones . That way when i leave i don't feel like i have wasted a day trying something i don't understand fully. BTW the current new technique i trying to learn is jig fishing. But until i learn this  Feeling a worm/jig bite requires keeping a certain amount of tension on your line while at the same time keeping a certain amount of slackness in your line. To the average angler this makes no sense at all but the worm/jig angler it makes total sense. i will always have a jig tied on Quote
bigfruits Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i think it depends on the lure. with buzzbait no, with jig yes. a day that you cant pull a bass up with a jig or plastic is very rare. Quote
bigfruits Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i think it depends on the lure. with buzzbait no, with jig yes. a day that you cant pull a bass up with a jig or plastic is very rare. Quote
bigfruits Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i think it depends on the lure. with buzzbait no, with jig yes. a day that you cant pull a bass up with a jig or plastic is very rare. Quote
Red Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i think it depends on the lure. with buzzbait no, with jig yes. a day that you cant pull a bass up with a jig or plastic is very rare. I wish I could agree, but for many weeks now I haven't got a bite on anything but a moving bait, mainly spinnerbait and crankbait. Quote
Red Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i think it depends on the lure. with buzzbait no, with jig yes. a day that you cant pull a bass up with a jig or plastic is very rare. I wish I could agree, but for many weeks now I haven't got a bite on anything but a moving bait, mainly spinnerbait and crankbait. Quote
Red Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i think it depends on the lure. with buzzbait no, with jig yes. a day that you cant pull a bass up with a jig or plastic is very rare. I wish I could agree, but for many weeks now I haven't got a bite on anything but a moving bait, mainly spinnerbait and crankbait. Quote
Blue Streak Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 I try new baits all the time, I am a sucker for new soft plastics. But I work them into a rotation with my old tried and true confidence baits. I feel like this also gives me a a good chance to compare new baits to the old ones on any given day. Quote
Blue Streak Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 I try new baits all the time, I am a sucker for new soft plastics. But I work them into a rotation with my old tried and true confidence baits. I feel like this also gives me a a good chance to compare new baits to the old ones on any given day. Quote
Blue Streak Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 I try new baits all the time, I am a sucker for new soft plastics. But I work them into a rotation with my old tried and true confidence baits. I feel like this also gives me a a good chance to compare new baits to the old ones on any given day. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 Try learning to fish big swimbaits. : Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 Try learning to fish big swimbaits. : Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 Try learning to fish big swimbaits. : Quote
Super User senile1 Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 I think Catt has a good point. It does take time with a new lure to learn how to utilize it's specific advantages to the fullest extent but common sense has to be used as well. If one is fishing on a day when only an extremely slow, methodical presentation is catching fish, it's unlikely that would be the day to learn to fish crankbaits, buzzbaits, etc. J Francho state: Try learning to fish big swimbaits. This is definitely something I need to do but I need to purchase a swimbait rod first. I fish the lighter, smaller plastic swimbaits but I'm not going to be throwing a 2 ounce plus swimbait on any of my rods. Quote
Super User senile1 Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 I think Catt has a good point. It does take time with a new lure to learn how to utilize it's specific advantages to the fullest extent but common sense has to be used as well. If one is fishing on a day when only an extremely slow, methodical presentation is catching fish, it's unlikely that would be the day to learn to fish crankbaits, buzzbaits, etc. J Francho state: Try learning to fish big swimbaits. This is definitely something I need to do but I need to purchase a swimbait rod first. I fish the lighter, smaller plastic swimbaits but I'm not going to be throwing a 2 ounce plus swimbait on any of my rods. Quote
Super User senile1 Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 I think Catt has a good point. It does take time with a new lure to learn how to utilize it's specific advantages to the fullest extent but common sense has to be used as well. If one is fishing on a day when only an extremely slow, methodical presentation is catching fish, it's unlikely that would be the day to learn to fish crankbaits, buzzbaits, etc. J Francho state: Try learning to fish big swimbaits. This is definitely something I need to do but I need to purchase a swimbait rod first. I fish the lighter, smaller plastic swimbaits but I'm not going to be throwing a 2 ounce plus swimbait on any of my rods. Quote
Gangley Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 Fish adapt to their environment and if their environment is constantly being flooded with the same old lures, then they adapt accordingly.  However, I generally wont fish a new lure until I know I am at a spot where the fish are biting. Until I know the bite is on, I dont really bother with a new lure because there are too many variables to account for otherwise. There is simply no way to know if it was you, the lure, or quantity of fish in the area setting the tempo of the bite that day. For instance, there is a 100 yard stretch of bank that usually holds good fish if there are any fish in the area at all. If they are there, I can usually catch them on a worm fairly consistantly, but it they are there and I can't catch them on a worm, then often times I can't seem to get them to bite anything. So, that stretch of bank has become somewhat of a testing ground for me. I start with the worm and see if I can get them to bite, if I can, then I start throwing a "trial" lure that I am attempting to learn or figure out. Basically, I make sure that: a) the fish are present and the fish don't have lockjaw Once I have established these two basics, thats when I'll start throwing a new lure. Very rarely will I try a new lure at random in an area that I am uncertain of. Quote
Gangley Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 Fish adapt to their environment and if their environment is constantly being flooded with the same old lures, then they adapt accordingly.  However, I generally wont fish a new lure until I know I am at a spot where the fish are biting. Until I know the bite is on, I dont really bother with a new lure because there are too many variables to account for otherwise. There is simply no way to know if it was you, the lure, or quantity of fish in the area setting the tempo of the bite that day. For instance, there is a 100 yard stretch of bank that usually holds good fish if there are any fish in the area at all. If they are there, I can usually catch them on a worm fairly consistantly, but it they are there and I can't catch them on a worm, then often times I can't seem to get them to bite anything. So, that stretch of bank has become somewhat of a testing ground for me. I start with the worm and see if I can get them to bite, if I can, then I start throwing a "trial" lure that I am attempting to learn or figure out. Basically, I make sure that: a) the fish are present and the fish don't have lockjaw Once I have established these two basics, thats when I'll start throwing a new lure. Very rarely will I try a new lure at random in an area that I am uncertain of. Quote
Gangley Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 Fish adapt to their environment and if their environment is constantly being flooded with the same old lures, then they adapt accordingly.  However, I generally wont fish a new lure until I know I am at a spot where the fish are biting. Until I know the bite is on, I dont really bother with a new lure because there are too many variables to account for otherwise. There is simply no way to know if it was you, the lure, or quantity of fish in the area setting the tempo of the bite that day. For instance, there is a 100 yard stretch of bank that usually holds good fish if there are any fish in the area at all. If they are there, I can usually catch them on a worm fairly consistantly, but it they are there and I can't catch them on a worm, then often times I can't seem to get them to bite anything. So, that stretch of bank has become somewhat of a testing ground for me. I start with the worm and see if I can get them to bite, if I can, then I start throwing a "trial" lure that I am attempting to learn or figure out. Basically, I make sure that: a) the fish are present and the fish don't have lockjaw Once I have established these two basics, thats when I'll start throwing a new lure. Very rarely will I try a new lure at random in an area that I am uncertain of. Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 17, 2010 Super User Posted December 17, 2010 It is better to try new lures and techniques during an active period when you know the bass are feeding in that zone of the water column. Fishing a new lure all day long can be both unproductive and boring, you are more than likely to put it away. The best method is to fish with someone who has already perfected the new lure or at least talk to them and learn how and where they fish it. WRB Quote
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