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I've never understood that swing for the fence hookset you see the pros do at times. I laugh because I swear they're doing it for the camera. Drama queens ;)

I understand some baits (jigs in particular) with heavy gage hooks require more force to penetrate the jaw, but come on. Braid is the last thing you want to swing hard with.

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  • Super User
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I've never understood that swing for the fence hookset you see the pros do at times. I laugh because I swear they're doing it for the camera. Drama queens ;)

I understand some baits (jigs in particular) with heavy gage hooks require more force to penetrate the jaw, but come on. Braid is the last thing you want to swing hard with.

  • Super User
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I've never understood that swing for the fence hookset you see the pros do at times. I laugh because I swear they're doing it for the camera. Drama queens ;)

I understand some baits (jigs in particular) with heavy gage hooks require more force to penetrate the jaw, but come on. Braid is the last thing you want to swing hard with.

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I think the tell of a good fisherman is the ability to adapt to the particular technique you are using. For example you will need a harder hookset while using a jig than you would with a crankbait. The ability to adjust your hookset to the specific techniques will only make you a better angler. :)

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I think the tell of a good fisherman is the ability to adapt to the particular technique you are using. For example you will need a harder hookset while using a jig than you would with a crankbait. The ability to adjust your hookset to the specific techniques will only make you a better angler. :)

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I think the tell of a good fisherman is the ability to adapt to the particular technique you are using. For example you will need a harder hookset while using a jig than you would with a crankbait. The ability to adjust your hookset to the specific techniques will only make you a better angler. :)

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retie..retie..retie..and wet the knot!! Thats what stopped me from breaking off fish. Plus i dont hit them hard on the hook set,just a sweeping motion works great....good fishing

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retie..retie..retie..and wet the knot!! Thats what stopped me from breaking off fish. Plus i dont hit them hard on the hook set,just a sweeping motion works great....good fishing

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retie..retie..retie..and wet the knot!! Thats what stopped me from breaking off fish. Plus i dont hit them hard on the hook set,just a sweeping motion works great....good fishing

  • Super User
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In keeping with the original question, I really can't say that I know any angler

who experiences serial breakoffs, that's got to be VERY frustrating!

About 5 years ago, I switched from Trilene XL to Power Pro (now use Berkley Fireline braid)

That was the last day that nylon mono was in my life, as I now use braided line for everything'.

Chris, a few years back I was pleased to learn that you are also an advocate

of braided line. Then shortly after that I was stunned to find out that you're also

a staunch fan of spinning tackle (not too many of us). Every couple of years

I'll buy another baitcasting outfit with the latest blank material and reel features.

But baitcasting gear never lasts more than 2 or 3 outings in my boat,

then winds up collecting dust in my den.

Given a tight drag, break-jaw hooksets with non-stretch braid

will often result in keyholing. With stretchy nylon there's a different problem,

where all the stretch must be removed if you hope to set the hook beyond the barb.

After fishing with stretchy nylon for about 40 years in both fresh and saltwater,

it was tough for me to make the transition from boat-rocking hooksets

to a crank-and-sweep hook-set. I still use the 'uni-knot' for everything,

which tied correctly is fail-safe and a cinche to tie even for plugs with three treble hooks.

I've often thrown cranks all day long in the same boat with anglers using baitcasting gear

and fluorocarbon line. If there's any difference at all in our break-off ratio, I fail to see it.

Cool topic, by the way ;-)

Roger

  • Super User
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In keeping with the original question, I really can't say that I know any angler

who experiences serial breakoffs, that's got to be VERY frustrating!

About 5 years ago, I switched from Trilene XL to Power Pro (now use Berkley Fireline braid)

That was the last day that nylon mono was in my life, as I now use braided line for everything'.

Chris, a few years back I was pleased to learn that you are also an advocate

of braided line. Then shortly after that I was stunned to find out that you're also

a staunch fan of spinning tackle (not too many of us). Every couple of years

I'll buy another baitcasting outfit with the latest blank material and reel features.

But baitcasting gear never lasts more than 2 or 3 outings in my boat,

then winds up collecting dust in my den.

Given a tight drag, break-jaw hooksets with non-stretch braid

will often result in keyholing. With stretchy nylon there's a different problem,

where all the stretch must be removed if you hope to set the hook beyond the barb.

After fishing with stretchy nylon for about 40 years in both fresh and saltwater,

it was tough for me to make the transition from boat-rocking hooksets

to a crank-and-sweep hook-set. I still use the 'uni-knot' for everything,

which tied correctly is fail-safe and a cinche to tie even for plugs with three treble hooks.

I've often thrown cranks all day long in the same boat with anglers using baitcasting gear

and fluorocarbon line. If there's any difference at all in our break-off ratio, I fail to see it.

Cool topic, by the way ;-)

Roger

  • Super User
Posted

In keeping with the original question, I really can't say that I know any angler

who experiences serial breakoffs, that's got to be VERY frustrating!

About 5 years ago, I switched from Trilene XL to Power Pro (now use Berkley Fireline braid)

That was the last day that nylon mono was in my life, as I now use braided line for everything'.

Chris, a few years back I was pleased to learn that you are also an advocate

of braided line. Then shortly after that I was stunned to find out that you're also

a staunch fan of spinning tackle (not too many of us). Every couple of years

I'll buy another baitcasting outfit with the latest blank material and reel features.

But baitcasting gear never lasts more than 2 or 3 outings in my boat,

then winds up collecting dust in my den.

Given a tight drag, break-jaw hooksets with non-stretch braid

will often result in keyholing. With stretchy nylon there's a different problem,

where all the stretch must be removed if you hope to set the hook beyond the barb.

After fishing with stretchy nylon for about 40 years in both fresh and saltwater,

it was tough for me to make the transition from boat-rocking hooksets

to a crank-and-sweep hook-set. I still use the 'uni-knot' for everything,

which tied correctly is fail-safe and a cinche to tie even for plugs with three treble hooks.

I've often thrown cranks all day long in the same boat with anglers using baitcasting gear

and fluorocarbon line. If there's any difference at all in our break-off ratio, I fail to see it.

Cool topic, by the way ;-)

Roger

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My guess as far as the braid goes is that the knots he is using is not a good not for braided line. The line is probably slipping not breaking. I could tie 65lb braid to a tree and set the hook as hard as I can and the line will not break. I  have set the hook on a dock post before and more than once (dont ask lol) and never broke off. I snaped a fishing pole in half but I find 65lb braid almost impossible to break off on a hookset unless its a fish with sharp teeth or there is a weak point in the line.

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My guess as far as the braid goes is that the knots he is using is not a good not for braided line. The line is probably slipping not breaking. I could tie 65lb braid to a tree and set the hook as hard as I can and the line will not break. I  have set the hook on a dock post before and more than once (dont ask lol) and never broke off. I snaped a fishing pole in half but I find 65lb braid almost impossible to break off on a hookset unless its a fish with sharp teeth or there is a weak point in the line.

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My guess as far as the braid goes is that the knots he is using is not a good not for braided line. The line is probably slipping not breaking. I could tie 65lb braid to a tree and set the hook as hard as I can and the line will not break. I  have set the hook on a dock post before and more than once (dont ask lol) and never broke off. I snaped a fishing pole in half but I find 65lb braid almost impossible to break off on a hookset unless its a fish with sharp teeth or there is a weak point in the line.

  • Super User
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I've never snapped off with braid, in fact I believe my poles will snap before 50 lb braid or even 40 lb. I've even set the hook as hard as I could into a small pier one time, and A Uni knot to a 5/0 Superline Gammie with 40 lb broke that hook in half  :o

  • Super User
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I've never snapped off with braid, in fact I believe my poles will snap before 50 lb braid or even 40 lb. I've even set the hook as hard as I could into a small pier one time, and A Uni knot to a 5/0 Superline Gammie with 40 lb broke that hook in half  :o

  • Super User
Posted

I've never snapped off with braid, in fact I believe my poles will snap before 50 lb braid or even 40 lb. I've even set the hook as hard as I could into a small pier one time, and A Uni knot to a 5/0 Superline Gammie with 40 lb broke that hook in half  :o

  • Super User
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I've never heard of anyone consistently breaking off fish due to hook sets, and I've seen some rain makers... Assuming that some is the problem, maybe a softer actioned rod?? Might help having even a more forgiving rod. OR just learn to not set the hook so hard. If you're losing that many fish, it might be worth it to retrain yourself.

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