Super User South FLA Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 When switching from mono to braid when Power Pro first came out I had a hard time adjusting my hook set from home runs to a quick sweep/tug, I still on occasion rear back like a DONKEY, but instead of actually breaking off I found that I straightened hooks or pull it from the mouth at time bring back some skin. Anyway, by switching to lighter action rods when possible and reducing my drag pressure SIGNIFICANTLY I have found that my donkey kick sets don't really handicap me as much as they should. Really not sure about breaking off braided line on hook sets if line is not compromised, that is really hard to do or near impossible unless you are fishing for behemoth saltwater fish like goliath grouper and most of the time the hooks are straightened. May want to mention to your friend that sometimes a "hobby" is better than a job, since once your hobby becomes a job it loses its luster. Quote
Hamby Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 I had a few problems with fluorocarbon because of the reduction in stretch it has...so i broke a few fish off fighting them near the boat while pitching to close targets. I kept my 6'6" i like to pitch with in close quarters, but i switched to medium instead of MH. I haven't had any problems with how wimpy the rod is...i actually like it because the rod is lighter and allows easier pitching. I fish in WI though...so my big fish of the day is usually only 4 lbs, max 5lb range. I could probably switch to a 7ft MH with a fast tip and have the same effect, but i like the shorter rod in tight places. Quote
Hamby Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 I had a few problems with fluorocarbon because of the reduction in stretch it has...so i broke a few fish off fighting them near the boat while pitching to close targets. I kept my 6'6" i like to pitch with in close quarters, but i switched to medium instead of MH. I haven't had any problems with how wimpy the rod is...i actually like it because the rod is lighter and allows easier pitching. I fish in WI though...so my big fish of the day is usually only 4 lbs, max 5lb range. I could probably switch to a 7ft MH with a fast tip and have the same effect, but i like the shorter rod in tight places. Quote
Hamby Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 I had a few problems with fluorocarbon because of the reduction in stretch it has...so i broke a few fish off fighting them near the boat while pitching to close targets. I kept my 6'6" i like to pitch with in close quarters, but i switched to medium instead of MH. I haven't had any problems with how wimpy the rod is...i actually like it because the rod is lighter and allows easier pitching. I fish in WI though...so my big fish of the day is usually only 4 lbs, max 5lb range. I could probably switch to a 7ft MH with a fast tip and have the same effect, but i like the shorter rod in tight places. Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 I had a few problems with fluorocarbon because of the reduction in stretch it has...so i broke a few fish off fighting them near the boat while pitching to close targets. I kept my 6'6" i like to pitch with in close quarters, but i switched to medium instead of MH. I haven't had any problems with how wimpy the rod is...i actually like it because the rod is lighter and allows easier pitching. I fish in WI though...so my big fish of the day is usually only 4 lbs, max 5lb range. I could probably switch to a 7ft MH with a fast tip and have the same effect, but i like the shorter rod in tight places. Since when does floro have less stretch than mono ? Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 I had a few problems with fluorocarbon because of the reduction in stretch it has...so i broke a few fish off fighting them near the boat while pitching to close targets. I kept my 6'6" i like to pitch with in close quarters, but i switched to medium instead of MH. I haven't had any problems with how wimpy the rod is...i actually like it because the rod is lighter and allows easier pitching. I fish in WI though...so my big fish of the day is usually only 4 lbs, max 5lb range. I could probably switch to a 7ft MH with a fast tip and have the same effect, but i like the shorter rod in tight places. Since when does floro have less stretch than mono ? Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 I had a few problems with fluorocarbon because of the reduction in stretch it has...so i broke a few fish off fighting them near the boat while pitching to close targets. I kept my 6'6" i like to pitch with in close quarters, but i switched to medium instead of MH. I haven't had any problems with how wimpy the rod is...i actually like it because the rod is lighter and allows easier pitching. I fish in WI though...so my big fish of the day is usually only 4 lbs, max 5lb range. I could probably switch to a 7ft MH with a fast tip and have the same effect, but i like the shorter rod in tight places. Since when does floro have less stretch than mono ? Quote
Hamby Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 :-? Seems like it does to me. Doesn't take sudden shock like hooksets as well either. Quote
Hamby Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 :-? Seems like it does to me. Doesn't take sudden shock like hooksets as well either. Quote
Hamby Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 :-? Seems like it does to me. Doesn't take sudden shock like hooksets as well either. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 I use flouro, mono, copoly, and braid. With the exception of treble hook baits, I whale on my fish, relatively speaking. Since I have the drag set appropriately for each setup, I don't break off very much at all. I think I broke off twice last year. Both were my fault for not retying. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 I use flouro, mono, copoly, and braid. With the exception of treble hook baits, I whale on my fish, relatively speaking. Since I have the drag set appropriately for each setup, I don't break off very much at all. I think I broke off twice last year. Both were my fault for not retying. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 I use flouro, mono, copoly, and braid. With the exception of treble hook baits, I whale on my fish, relatively speaking. Since I have the drag set appropriately for each setup, I don't break off very much at all. I think I broke off twice last year. Both were my fault for not retying. Quote
Super User David P Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 But David, you left out the most important part.... Do you fish braid (fishing line) or mono-filament (rubber-band) ? Fish Delta - Braid and 20-25lb fluoro All of our lakes, I use 6,10, and 12lb fluorocarbon, occasionally 15. My drags are cranked down too, even on spinning reels with 6lb test, I just loosen them after the fish is hooked. Does he break off literally on the hook set itself? Or sets the hook, then breaks off during the fight? Quote
Super User David P Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 But David, you left out the most important part.... Do you fish braid (fishing line) or mono-filament (rubber-band) ? Fish Delta - Braid and 20-25lb fluoro All of our lakes, I use 6,10, and 12lb fluorocarbon, occasionally 15. My drags are cranked down too, even on spinning reels with 6lb test, I just loosen them after the fish is hooked. Does he break off literally on the hook set itself? Or sets the hook, then breaks off during the fight? Quote
Super User David P Posted December 19, 2010 Super User Posted December 19, 2010 But David, you left out the most important part.... Do you fish braid (fishing line) or mono-filament (rubber-band) ? Fish Delta - Braid and 20-25lb fluoro All of our lakes, I use 6,10, and 12lb fluorocarbon, occasionally 15. My drags are cranked down too, even on spinning reels with 6lb test, I just loosen them after the fish is hooked. Does he break off literally on the hook set itself? Or sets the hook, then breaks off during the fight? Quote
Super User SoFlaBassAddict Posted December 20, 2010 Super User Posted December 20, 2010 I use flouro, mono, copoly, and braid. With the exception of treble hook baits, I whale on my fish, relatively speaking. Since I have the drag set appropriately for each setup, I don't break off very much at all. I think I broke off twice last year. Both were my fault for not retying. I'm with you on that Francho. I slam my fish when I set the hook. Thats half the reason I started to use a co-poly in the last month. I was setting so hard (unintentionally) that I was tearing the fishes mouth during the hookset. The only times Ive broken a line were completely my fault. Either not retying, checking for abrasion, or a bad knot. Quote
Super User SoFlaBassAddict Posted December 20, 2010 Super User Posted December 20, 2010 I use flouro, mono, copoly, and braid. With the exception of treble hook baits, I whale on my fish, relatively speaking. Since I have the drag set appropriately for each setup, I don't break off very much at all. I think I broke off twice last year. Both were my fault for not retying. I'm with you on that Francho. I slam my fish when I set the hook. Thats half the reason I started to use a co-poly in the last month. I was setting so hard (unintentionally) that I was tearing the fishes mouth during the hookset. The only times Ive broken a line were completely my fault. Either not retying, checking for abrasion, or a bad knot. Quote
Super User SoFlaBassAddict Posted December 20, 2010 Super User Posted December 20, 2010 I use flouro, mono, copoly, and braid. With the exception of treble hook baits, I whale on my fish, relatively speaking. Since I have the drag set appropriately for each setup, I don't break off very much at all. I think I broke off twice last year. Both were my fault for not retying. I'm with you on that Francho. I slam my fish when I set the hook. Thats half the reason I started to use a co-poly in the last month. I was setting so hard (unintentionally) that I was tearing the fishes mouth during the hookset. The only times Ive broken a line were completely my fault. Either not retying, checking for abrasion, or a bad knot. Quote
Super User RoLo Posted December 20, 2010 Super User Posted December 20, 2010 Whether you weigh 100 lbs soaking wet or 300 lbs in the buff, if the reel drag is properly preset, you'll have a real tough time busting the line during the hook-set (unless nicked or frayed). In addition to line-failure, the other bugbear is knot slippage'. Although knot slippage is commonly referred to as knot-failure, it's typically the result of 'user-failure'. None of the popular fishing knots are prone to slipping, that is, if the user remembers to PRE-SNUG the knot before the final tightening. This common oversight is what inspired the improved clinch knot. When the standard clinch knot is not tightly pre-snugged, it is highly prone to slipping. Evidence of operator-failure is a line-end that looks like a pig tail Not for nothing, I use the Uni-Knot for all applications and line materials. 'Uni' stands for Universal, the same concept underlying the blood-knot and snelled hooks. The next time my uni-knot slips in braided line will be my first time. Roger Quote
Super User RoLo Posted December 20, 2010 Super User Posted December 20, 2010 Whether you weigh 100 lbs soaking wet or 300 lbs in the buff, if the reel drag is properly preset, you'll have a real tough time busting the line during the hook-set (unless nicked or frayed). In addition to line-failure, the other bugbear is knot slippage'. Although knot slippage is commonly referred to as knot-failure, it's typically the result of 'user-failure'. None of the popular fishing knots are prone to slipping, that is, if the user remembers to PRE-SNUG the knot before the final tightening. This common oversight is what inspired the improved clinch knot. When the standard clinch knot is not tightly pre-snugged, it is highly prone to slipping. Evidence of operator-failure is a line-end that looks like a pig tail Not for nothing, I use the Uni-Knot for all applications and line materials. 'Uni' stands for Universal, the same concept underlying the blood-knot and snelled hooks. The next time my uni-knot slips in braided line will be my first time. Roger Quote
Super User RoLo Posted December 20, 2010 Super User Posted December 20, 2010 Whether you weigh 100 lbs soaking wet or 300 lbs in the buff, if the reel drag is properly preset, you'll have a real tough time busting the line during the hook-set (unless nicked or frayed). In addition to line-failure, the other bugbear is knot slippage'. Although knot slippage is commonly referred to as knot-failure, it's typically the result of 'user-failure'. None of the popular fishing knots are prone to slipping, that is, if the user remembers to PRE-SNUG the knot before the final tightening. This common oversight is what inspired the improved clinch knot. When the standard clinch knot is not tightly pre-snugged, it is highly prone to slipping. Evidence of operator-failure is a line-end that looks like a pig tail Not for nothing, I use the Uni-Knot for all applications and line materials. 'Uni' stands for Universal, the same concept underlying the blood-knot and snelled hooks. The next time my uni-knot slips in braided line will be my first time. Roger Quote
Fish Chris Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Great reply Rolo ! Whether you weigh 100 lbs soaking wet or 300 lbs in the buff, if the reel drag is properly preset, you'll have a real tough time busting the line during the hook-set (unless nicked or frayed). I couldn't agree more. Yet many of my fishing friends and acquaintances, most especially, the ones who use stretchy arse mono, act like any line slip at all is a bad thing. A lot of these guys will be like, "Drag ? What's that" ? But you see, for myself, here's the thing; WAAAAY back in the day, even many years before I ever used braid, I used to use 4 lb test mono, for Stripers, and even a few Sturgeon. So I've known for a long, long time, how important a drag setting is, in all types of fishing, with all types of gear. Even with mono, a proper drag setting is important. With braid, it's way more important yet. Peace, Fish Quote
Fish Chris Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Great reply Rolo ! Whether you weigh 100 lbs soaking wet or 300 lbs in the buff, if the reel drag is properly preset, you'll have a real tough time busting the line during the hook-set (unless nicked or frayed). I couldn't agree more. Yet many of my fishing friends and acquaintances, most especially, the ones who use stretchy arse mono, act like any line slip at all is a bad thing. A lot of these guys will be like, "Drag ? What's that" ? But you see, for myself, here's the thing; WAAAAY back in the day, even many years before I ever used braid, I used to use 4 lb test mono, for Stripers, and even a few Sturgeon. So I've known for a long, long time, how important a drag setting is, in all types of fishing, with all types of gear. Even with mono, a proper drag setting is important. With braid, it's way more important yet. Peace, Fish Quote
Fish Chris Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Great reply Rolo ! Whether you weigh 100 lbs soaking wet or 300 lbs in the buff, if the reel drag is properly preset, you'll have a real tough time busting the line during the hook-set (unless nicked or frayed). I couldn't agree more. Yet many of my fishing friends and acquaintances, most especially, the ones who use stretchy arse mono, act like any line slip at all is a bad thing. A lot of these guys will be like, "Drag ? What's that" ? But you see, for myself, here's the thing; WAAAAY back in the day, even many years before I ever used braid, I used to use 4 lb test mono, for Stripers, and even a few Sturgeon. So I've known for a long, long time, how important a drag setting is, in all types of fishing, with all types of gear. Even with mono, a proper drag setting is important. With braid, it's way more important yet. Peace, Fish Quote
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