Ever know anybody like this ???

[David P]

I've never heard of anyone consistently breaking off fish due to hook sets, and I've seen some rain makers... Assuming that some is the problem, maybe a softer actioned rod?? Might help having even a more forgiving rod. OR just learn to not set the hook so hard. If you're losing that many fish, it might be worth it to retrain yourself.

[David P]

I've never heard of anyone consistently breaking off fish due to hook sets, and I've seen some rain makers... Assuming that some is the problem, maybe a softer actioned rod?? Might help having even a more forgiving rod. OR just learn to not set the hook so hard. If you're losing that many fish, it might be worth it to retrain yourself.

[Hamby]

I wish i could break off on hooksets...i'm usually more worried about having to go get that jig and scare any fish in the laydown...again.  :

[Hamby]

I wish i could break off on hooksets...i'm usually more worried about having to go get that jig and scare any fish in the laydown...again.  :

[Hamby]

I wish i could break off on hooksets...i'm usually more worried about having to go get that jig and scare any fish in the laydown...again.  :

[Fish Chris]

Thanks again guys.

FL_f,

My guess as far as the braid goes is that the knots he is using is not a good not for braided line.

I'm almost sure my Friend is using the same knots I do... an improved clinch, and / or a palomar, and my knots NEVER slip.

David P,

I've never heard of anyone consistently breaking off fish due to hook sets,

Actually, being that your from Nor Cal, I'd almost be surprised if you didn't know that other "hard swinging, break off on the set, with braided line" guy, that I mentioned earlier in this thread. But I'm not going to mention any names, as I didn't start this thread to make anyone look bad.

And BTW, we keep saying 'HARD' hook sets..... when in reality, the problem would probably be better described as 'FAST' hook sets..... which might help to explain why it's usually not big, buffed, line back looking dudes who have the problem.... but rather, skinnier, twitchier guys who swing faster than lightening !

On a slower, harder pull, braid is ridiculously strong ! It's the sudden spikes in pressure that non-stretch braid often just can't handle.

Hmmmmm,

Fish

[Fish Chris]

Thanks again guys.

FL_f,

My guess as far as the braid goes is that the knots he is using is not a good not for braided line.

I'm almost sure my Friend is using the same knots I do... an improved clinch, and / or a palomar, and my knots NEVER slip.

David P,

I've never heard of anyone consistently breaking off fish due to hook sets,

Actually, being that your from Nor Cal, I'd almost be surprised if you didn't know that other "hard swinging, break off on the set, with braided line" guy, that I mentioned earlier in this thread. But I'm not going to mention any names, as I didn't start this thread to make anyone look bad.

And BTW, we keep saying 'HARD' hook sets..... when in reality, the problem would probably be better described as 'FAST' hook sets..... which might help to explain why it's usually not big, buffed, line back looking dudes who have the problem.... but rather, skinnier, twitchier guys who swing faster than lightening !

On a slower, harder pull, braid is ridiculously strong ! It's the sudden spikes in pressure that non-stretch braid often just can't handle.

Hmmmmm,

Fish

[Fish Chris]

Thanks again guys.

FL_f,

My guess as far as the braid goes is that the knots he is using is not a good not for braided line.

I'm almost sure my Friend is using the same knots I do... an improved clinch, and / or a palomar, and my knots NEVER slip.

David P,

I've never heard of anyone consistently breaking off fish due to hook sets,

Actually, being that your from Nor Cal, I'd almost be surprised if you didn't know that other "hard swinging, break off on the set, with braided line" guy, that I mentioned earlier in this thread. But I'm not going to mention any names, as I didn't start this thread to make anyone look bad.

And BTW, we keep saying 'HARD' hook sets..... when in reality, the problem would probably be better described as 'FAST' hook sets..... which might help to explain why it's usually not big, buffed, line back looking dudes who have the problem.... but rather, skinnier, twitchier guys who swing faster than lightening !

On a slower, harder pull, braid is ridiculously strong ! It's the sudden spikes in pressure that non-stretch braid often just can't handle.

Hmmmmm,

Fish

[Raul]

Well, you can telle him he don 't need to break lines every time he sets the hook for starters, he don 't need to set the hook THAT hard. I 'm far from being a big guy, I 'm 5' 8" & weight an astonshing 110 lbs, I normally fish with 8-12 lb test in the middle of sumberged tough huisache & catnail brush, add mesquite trees to the equation .... I can 't even remember when was the last time I lost a fish because of line breakeage.

BTW, the line I fish the most is Trilene Big Game and in practical terms I only tie two knots: Palomar and improved clinch.

[Raul]

Well, you can telle him he don 't need to break lines every time he sets the hook for starters, he don 't need to set the hook THAT hard. I 'm far from being a big guy, I 'm 5' 8" & weight an astonshing 110 lbs, I normally fish with 8-12 lb test in the middle of sumberged tough huisache & catnail brush, add mesquite trees to the equation .... I can 't even remember when was the last time I lost a fish because of line breakeage.

BTW, the line I fish the most is Trilene Big Game and in practical terms I only tie two knots: Palomar and improved clinch.

[Raul]

Well, you can telle him he don 't need to break lines every time he sets the hook for starters, he don 't need to set the hook THAT hard. I 'm far from being a big guy, I 'm 5' 8" & weight an astonshing 110 lbs, I normally fish with 8-12 lb test in the middle of sumberged tough huisache & catnail brush, add mesquite trees to the equation .... I can 't even remember when was the last time I lost a fish because of line breakeage.

BTW, the line I fish the most is Trilene Big Game and in practical terms I only tie two knots: Palomar and improved clinch.

[Fish Chris]

Well hey Raul, that's why it's not good to stereotype. I'm sure their are smaller, skinnier guys who "are not" so twitchy, snappy.

And their might be a big guy somewhere who is twitchy, snappy {although that would be kind of tough.... just a physics thing... it's much harder to get a heavier mass, moving quickly, than it is to get a lighter mass moving quickly}

Anyway, it just so happens, that both of the guys I mentioned with the break off problem, are about as twitchy, snappy as they come.

Although it should be mentioned, that other acquaintance of mine that had all the problems with braid, went straight back to mono and never had a problem with break offs since. (of course for myself, fishing with mono would be a BIG problem in itself LOL)

[Fish Chris]

Well hey Raul, that's why it's not good to stereotype. I'm sure their are smaller, skinnier guys who "are not" so twitchy, snappy.

And their might be a big guy somewhere who is twitchy, snappy {although that would be kind of tough.... just a physics thing... it's much harder to get a heavier mass, moving quickly, than it is to get a lighter mass moving quickly}

Anyway, it just so happens, that both of the guys I mentioned with the break off problem, are about as twitchy, snappy as they come.

Although it should be mentioned, that other acquaintance of mine that had all the problems with braid, went straight back to mono and never had a problem with break offs since. (of course for myself, fishing with mono would be a BIG problem in itself LOL)

[Fish Chris]

Well hey Raul, that's why it's not good to stereotype. I'm sure their are smaller, skinnier guys who "are not" so twitchy, snappy.

And their might be a big guy somewhere who is twitchy, snappy {although that would be kind of tough.... just a physics thing... it's much harder to get a heavier mass, moving quickly, than it is to get a lighter mass moving quickly}

Anyway, it just so happens, that both of the guys I mentioned with the break off problem, are about as twitchy, snappy as they come.

Although it should be mentioned, that other acquaintance of mine that had all the problems with braid, went straight back to mono and never had a problem with break offs since. (of course for myself, fishing with mono would be a BIG problem in itself LOL)

[Raul]

I think your pal 's problem is somehwere in the hookestting technique or the drag setting or both rather than his knots Chris, of course there can always be a problem with improper knot tying technique, but let 's assume that he ties his knots properly, I do know somebody like your pal, his problem ? bad hookseeting technique, he seemed to be in a hurry to set the knot,  he just made this rod jolting hooksets and .......... PRAAAAAC ! ----> there goes the line  :. After a while of observing him and after he cussing and blaming the manufacturer for his line breaking I simply said to him, "it ain 't the line, it 's operator error, if you are fishing with elastic line like nylon, copoly or fluoro you have to tighten the line before setting the hook otherwise the sudden elongation can cause the line to break, Imagine a rubber band, it can stretch a lot if you pull continously but if you pull suddenly it stretches and then breaks, same thing happens to the line, theoritically speaking the rod and the drag will absorb the energy before that happens but if you have a tight drag ...; on the other hand, if you are fishing with non elastic line like braided the line ain 't gonna break, if you have a tight tdrag your rod is going to break first".

[Raul]

I think your pal 's problem is somehwere in the hookestting technique or the drag setting or both rather than his knots Chris, of course there can always be a problem with improper knot tying technique, but let 's assume that he ties his knots properly, I do know somebody like your pal, his problem ? bad hookseeting technique, he seemed to be in a hurry to set the knot,  he just made this rod jolting hooksets and .......... PRAAAAAC ! ----> there goes the line  :. After a while of observing him and after he cussing and blaming the manufacturer for his line breaking I simply said to him, "it ain 't the line, it 's operator error, if you are fishing with elastic line like nylon, copoly or fluoro you have to tighten the line before setting the hook otherwise the sudden elongation can cause the line to break, Imagine a rubber band, it can stretch a lot if you pull continously but if you pull suddenly it stretches and then breaks, same thing happens to the line, theoritically speaking the rod and the drag will absorb the energy before that happens but if you have a tight drag ...; on the other hand, if you are fishing with non elastic line like braided the line ain 't gonna break, if you have a tight tdrag your rod is going to break first".

[Raul]

I think your pal 's problem is somehwere in the hookestting technique or the drag setting or both rather than his knots Chris, of course there can always be a problem with improper knot tying technique, but let 's assume that he ties his knots properly, I do know somebody like your pal, his problem ? bad hookseeting technique, he seemed to be in a hurry to set the knot,  he just made this rod jolting hooksets and .......... PRAAAAAC ! ----> there goes the line  :. After a while of observing him and after he cussing and blaming the manufacturer for his line breaking I simply said to him, "it ain 't the line, it 's operator error, if you are fishing with elastic line like nylon, copoly or fluoro you have to tighten the line before setting the hook otherwise the sudden elongation can cause the line to break, Imagine a rubber band, it can stretch a lot if you pull continously but if you pull suddenly it stretches and then breaks, same thing happens to the line, theoritically speaking the rod and the drag will absorb the energy before that happens but if you have a tight drag ...; on the other hand, if you are fishing with non elastic line like braided the line ain 't gonna break, if you have a tight tdrag your rod is going to break first".

[David P]

Chris,

Lots of us NorCal guys set hard, I'm skinny as all hell too, and set the hook extremely hard. I never had this issue in the first place, but I do not set the hook on SLACK line, I reel down almost all the way before setting the hook. I also loosen my drag the second I hook into a solid fish.

[David P]

Chris,

Lots of us NorCal guys set hard, I'm skinny as all hell too, and set the hook extremely hard. I never had this issue in the first place, but I do not set the hook on SLACK line, I reel down almost all the way before setting the hook. I also loosen my drag the second I hook into a solid fish.

[David P]

Chris,

Lots of us NorCal guys set hard, I'm skinny as all hell too, and set the hook extremely hard. I never had this issue in the first place, but I do not set the hook on SLACK line, I reel down almost all the way before setting the hook. I also loosen my drag the second I hook into a solid fish.

[Fish Chris]

But David, you left out the most important part....

Do you fish braid (fishing line) or mono-filament (rubber-band)  ?

Fish

[Fish Chris]

But David, you left out the most important part....

Do you fish braid (fishing line) or mono-filament (rubber-band)  ?

Fish

[Fish Chris]

But David, you left out the most important part....

Do you fish braid (fishing line) or mono-filament (rubber-band)  ?

Fish

[South FLA]

When switching from mono to braid when Power Pro first came out I had a hard time adjusting my hook set from home runs to a quick sweep/tug, I still on occasion rear back like a DONKEY, but instead of actually breaking off I found that I straightened hooks or pull it from the mouth at time bring back some skin. Anyway, by switching to lighter action rods when possible and reducing my drag pressure SIGNIFICANTLY I have found that my donkey kick sets don't really handicap me as much as they should.  Really not sure about breaking off braided line on hook sets if line is not compromised, that is really hard to do or near impossible unless you are fishing for behemoth saltwater fish like goliath grouper and most of the time the hooks are straightened. 

May want to mention to your friend that sometimes a "hobby" is better than a job, since once your hobby becomes a job it loses its luster. 

[South FLA]

When switching from mono to braid when Power Pro first came out I had a hard time adjusting my hook set from home runs to a quick sweep/tug, I still on occasion rear back like a DONKEY, but instead of actually breaking off I found that I straightened hooks or pull it from the mouth at time bring back some skin. Anyway, by switching to lighter action rods when possible and reducing my drag pressure SIGNIFICANTLY I have found that my donkey kick sets don't really handicap me as much as they should.  Really not sure about breaking off braided line on hook sets if line is not compromised, that is really hard to do or near impossible unless you are fishing for behemoth saltwater fish like goliath grouper and most of the time the hooks are straightened. 

May want to mention to your friend that sometimes a "hobby" is better than a job, since once your hobby becomes a job it loses its luster.