Fact from Fiction about Spray scents on Post below

[roadwarrior]

Hey Lane!

We appreciate professional comments from the front line. I also saw your post on the associated thread.

Thank you for contributing to the discussion.

[jb_adams]

Thanks for the post Lane.  So is garlic scent sprays & baits bad for fish?  If garlic is bad for fish, why do they sell so many garlic scented baits and attractants?

I personally have seen a bass go bananas when some garlic over-spray fell on the water surface.  It either drove him nutts or it turned him off to the scent.

[Lane]

jb, What I said is that garlic applied externally is VERY BAD for the fish. Garlic is an irritant, and

when it comes in contact with the slime cells it irritates them. If fish are exposed to the irritant for

extended periods of time, the slime cells cease to produce mucus. The fish die from secondary

infections. We have documented the effects of garlic on fish in a closed environment, and it is

NOT PRETTY!

The reason why you have observed or witnessed bass go nuts or bananas is because they are trying

to REMOVE the source of irritation from their environment. The strike is out of pure AGRESSION.

Hopefully, this will help you to understand what you have observed.

[jb_adams]

jb, What I said is that garlic applied externally is VERY BAD for the fish. Garlic is an irritant, and

when it comes in contact with the slime cells it irritates them. If fish are exposed to the irritant for

extended periods of time, the slime cells cease to produce mucus. The fish die from secondary

infections. We have documented the effects of garlic on fish in a closed environment, and it is

NOT PRETTY!

The reason why you have observed or witnessed bass go nuts or bananas is because they are trying

to REMOVE the source of irritation from their environment. The strike is out of pure AGRESSION.

Hopefully, this will help you to understand what you have observed.

Thank you oh great and wise Yoda.....

[BassFishingMachine]

I have been using YUM Spray in Crawfish scent on my jigs (don't know if im catching fish due to the spray, but there defenitely hittin my jig),  and MegaStrike on my softbaits. I don't know what it is about the YUM Spray but when a drop of that stuff hits the water, it moves everything near it, like a shockwave going through the water. Wonder what it is.

[Redhed]

YUM has done nothing for me thats for sure. i do not use scents (not that i am closed minded to it) just never had really seen the difference using them and not using them. i may try megastrike one day

[Bobby Uhrig]

It moves everything like a shock wave- given the conditions-oils will dance on the water (disperse) and I find that the warmer the oil the more it will disperse. It can eventually make a film on the water only one molecule thick.

[Furbit]

Just my 2 cents, to be taken with a grain of salt. First off IMO I believe we should forget all this talk about scent Attractants for IMO bass are sight feeders first and foremost and anything in the scent market that's says Attractant is nothing more then marketing. Instead we should be focusing on TASTE and to some extent feel, after the fact of sight, the true attractor.

With that out of my system, the question then becomes not what bass can smell but what is it that they can taste, what they like to taste and what they will taste and hold onto longer. What taste good to the bass?

With this in mind after 20 some years of on the water bass fishing under my belt, after trying every goofy thing in bottle that says Attractant on it or other goofy claims, here is my opinion.

Whether or not a bass can smell oil based attractants can be debated forever but if you look at it from purely a taste and feel stand point, even if they can not taste Garlic, Craw or whatever oil, the oily feel of the stuff in a bass's mouth may be enough for the bass to think it's real food even if it can not taste what flavor it is. If its slimy like real bait fish, or in this case oily, he may accept that factor as real enough. However I think with oils he can make up his mind pretty quick to either eat it or spit it out. He may be passive and not taste anything yet eat it, or he may not taste anything and spit it out cause it has no taste or a taste he don't like, if you believe he can taste oil that is.

With this focusing on taste, it is my belief that Bobby MegaStrike is on the right path, or has hit the nail on the head, for amino acids are the key for everything a bass eats contains amino acids. The question in my mind is, in what form can a bass actually taste these amino acids. If bobby has truly, of which I believe he has, found a way to use an oil base that releases the water based amino acids, then Mr. Bass is going to be very happy with what he has put in his mouth and therefor hold on much longer, giving the angler more time to set the hook.

So there's my opinion for whatever it is worth. All's I can say for sure is that with MegaStrike or Edge Hot Sauce for that matter, the bass that I have caught with the stuff, do hold on longer, in fact I watched a small bass inhale a worm coated in old formula MegaStrike, hold on for a full 2 minutes before I decided to set the hook. It looked like he was chewing on it like bubble gum. Way cool.

Will so called attractants add more fish to you day? I don't think so Vern, at least in the 20 some years I have been bass fishing I have yet to see such make a difference in numbers of strikes, but at the same time how can one prove such? Even if you and your partner where fishing the exact same setup, one with scent and the other without, how can you prove the scent worked or if it was the action and location of the lure was the ticket. However I do believe that once you have attracted the bass with your lure and presentation of such lure, after he decides to strike such lure, that if he taste something good and it feels real, he's not going to let go so fast and bass like the taste of MegaStrike and therefor I use it for that reason, not because Bobby says so, not because Bill Dance says use this, not because KVD uses that, I use MegaStrike because it works for me and I believe in the direction MegaStrike has taken as opposed to other companies.

[Bassin_Fin@tic]

Can I get an AMEN??!!

[Siebert Outdoors]

Links to research?

[Bobby Uhrig]

Furbit -like me-like skeptics, want proof- believe me I want to see results also-It dosent matter if its lures-easy there"ATTRACTANTS"- the slice it dice it knife-anything- its a prove it to me  society. Every day I go to work trying to improve everything I do- in the way of improving my catch ratio through baits I use or invent... I dont like last place or skunking either.. More for personal reasons than the fame and glory. Ok that too.  I will say this- yes I think they are attractants - -LURES ARE LURES- they bring bass to your hook- smells and tastes (one in the same with fish)attract them  to eat or strike the bait also when the "triggering qualities" of the baits  didnt finish their jobs. How many times have you had a bass come up to your jig-worm whatever-you stop the bait and the bass looks at it and swims away. I have seen it a thousand times in the wild and tank testing. Using mega will often entice the bass into eating the bait when it wouldnt normally- HMMMM-Maybe we should call it Megastrike Fish Enticement. So as for not getting off the subject- The lure and the MegaStrike work in concert with each other.  It will also allow fish (like furbit said) to hold on to baits for better strike detection and less fish lost due to them expelling the baits. I have seen bass inhale baits and expel them and you would never even known they were there. Get them to hold on- thats one of the qualities of the goo.--I"m Done- going fishing.

[Catt]

Ok y'all need to stop all this afore y'all make me buy a bottle of megastrike

[Bobby Uhrig]

Just watch the new Goo- it is very potent -dont get it on you. watched a arrogant guy at a show 2 weeks ago pick up a tube open it -squeeze it put it up to his nose and got some all over his mustache- My guys looked at me and said"he's dead LOL"

[Redhed]

Ok y'all need to stop all this afore y'all make me buy a bottle of megastrike

LOL no kiddin'!

[Furbit]

Bobby, I was not in any way trying to start an argument with you or claim I am the know all, in fact I started that post saying with a grain of salt. Also as I stated I believe in what your doing, the way your doing it and so forth. I believe in MegaStrike and the direction you are going with it now and for possible future formulas. You may very well be right, maybe smell has something to do with it at the last couple of seconds before he strikes, but where I am coming from is most companies claims would have you believe the fish come from miles just because there product is on the lure.

Look I am not saying Bobby is a nut case and does not know what he's talking about and I am the god of bass fishing, All's I am saying or reporting to you, is my experience's with your product so far of which as far as I am concerned is pretty dam good experiences. What you say about a last second smell before the hit, may very well be true, in fact I can believe that. So if your meaning of attractant is, the bass gets close to the lure or you get your lure close to the bass, be that an inch or a ft and the smell of the lure attracts him to the lure and even attracts him to hit it, now that makes scents. However what other companies claim is not the same for there claims are out of this world and total marketing bologna. They may or may not work for the bass fisherman, but there claims IMO are about as believable as me saying I have 20 playboy bunny's waiting for me in my bedroom right now.

LOL, I am going to go check my bedroom right now just in case. LOL

[Okieracer]

It moves everything like a shock wave- given the conditions-oils will dance on the water (disperse) and I find that the warmer the oil the more it will disperse. It can eventually make a film on the water only one molecule thick.

So let me get this right.  Fish can't smell or taste something that can disperse down to one molecule thick??? LMFAOROFLOL

[=Matt 5.0=]

I don't care about all that, I just wanna know... if I get Megastrike on my braided line, will it cause the braid to break?  :-?

[bass wrangler569]

It moves everything like a shock wave- given the conditions-oils will dance on the water (disperse) and I find that the warmer the oil the more it will disperse. It can eventually make a film on the water only one molecule thick.

So let me get this right. Fish can't smell or taste something that can disperse down to one molecule thick??? LMFAOROFLOL

X2

[ROCbass]

Bobby, you say that fish can't detect oils because they don't have chemo receptors for them, since oils aren't found in their natural environment. What about fats present in the food they eat? Fats are oils. Can fish taste and smell these?

You also mentioned that crawfish scents don't have any food value. True or not, I fail to see how that would automatically make it undesirable to fish. There are many recreational drugs and drugs of abuse that have no food value and are in many cases extremely maladaptive, but people continue to use them because they stimulate reward pathways in the brain and make the user feel good. Isn't it possible that some chemical compounds have similar drug effects on fish? I'm not saying that scents are crack for bass, just pointing out the possibility that bass may be motivated by factors other than food value.

[Bobby Uhrig]

Okie- I was stating that "fish attractants" with  the oil basis will disperse on the top of the water(oils being lighter than water and not water soluble) Eventually they will spread so evenly that the film will / can be only one molecule thick. When there are oil spills from tankers ect- the slick can travel for miles- I often believe that the dispersion rate is governed by water temp. Matt -believe me it will not hinder the performance of your braid.

[-HAWK-]

For everyone that doubts Megastrike, go buy a tube and try it. I recently picked up a tube, and can tell you it works. This stuff not only will help entice a Bass into striking, but will also make the Bass hold on much longer.

[tyrius.]

It moves everything like a shock wave- given the conditions-oils will dance on the water (disperse) and I find that the warmer the oil the more it will disperse. It can eventually make a film on the water only one molecule thick.

So let me get this right. Fish can't smell or taste something that can disperse down to one molecule thick??? LMFAOROFLOL

Well, it would probably help if you actually took the entire sentance rather than just a few words from it.  If I just highlighted the "Fish can't smell or taste" portion of your post and made fun of it, would that be accurate?

[Bobby Uhrig]

Absolutely- unlike women LOL  I believe  smaller is better- the more potent and profuse the dissipation(dissolving) rate the better. The secret is to have the total package- Water soluble-profuse dissipation - but have a carrier (base) that will adhere to the baits so it lasts longer. the secret also is to have the fish foods and amino acids in there.

[Okieracer]

I read the whole post. If it can disperse down to only a molecule thick than a bass can smell or taste it, period. Whether it be on top of the water or not. When a bass bites and shakes a bait particles are going to be released. Oil based products cling to the bait and so if a bass bites a bait with the oil on it, the dispersed particles CAN be sensed by the bass. But when someone states that the particles are too big to be sensed and then turns around and states that they can be as small as a molecule I tend to not trust their opinion. If I'm wrong I'll apologize, but in this case its gonna take some serious proving. And I'm not poking fun at anyone.  I just want the stated "facts" to make sense.  

[tyrius.]

If it can disperse down to only a molecule thick than a bass can smell or taste it, period.

This is pretty much all I need to respond to. Everything can be dispersed down to individual molecules but animals do not have the ability to experience a "taste" or "smell" for every single molecule in existence. For example, what does an O2 or CO2 molecule "taste" or "smell" like?