Things I learned from Japanese interview

[GKramer]

Wanted to find out a few things myself and got some help translating regarding the potential world record fish. Things I learned: Japanese (governmentally) are very hostile toward black bass; the Lake Biwa trout is apparently not a factor in big bass growth (because of its deeper range) and last, that catch will surely be a judgment call on whether it gets accepted as a record--there first, and then by the IGFA. And I hate waiting for the latter.

[Mattlures]

Hi Goerge, I red the article on your site from SDfish. Matt is a good guy it doesnt suprise me at all he helped you out.

If you get a chance to ask any more questions i have one.

I have heard that the fish was caught on a carp, Koi, and a bluegill.

Could you get actualy bait used?

Thanks

Matt

[Matt Fly]

San Diego is the only one reporting this rumor.   LOL

  The record was big news, reported by a dozen bass sites in the US alone, and now, not one is on top of this last rumor.    

What source other than rumor, in Japan reported this?    

[WRB]

The rumor the bass was caught from a restricted area came out immediately from other Japanese trophy bass fisherman. The live bait wasn't an issue as far I know. It's no different than our domestic trophy fisherman; a thousand eyes are on your every move.

It was interesting to learn that Jim Bagley had a hand in planting FLMB in Japan with the help of Natio Nishiyama in lake Ikehara in 1988.

Wait and see; it doesn't sound good for the Kurita bass at this time  

WRB

[GKramer]

Matt, I will try to do that. Which live bait is the only question, if I read Mr. Okumura's response correctly. And I hear Mother Nature's bluegill is almost as good-looking as yours.

[Glenn]

San

The record was big news, reported by a dozen bass sites in the US alone, and now, not one is on top of this last rumor.

That's because the former is fact, and the latter is gossip. The respectable sites won't assist in spreading rumors.

The sad fact is, stories, gossip, and outright lies are conjured up and spread around when events like this occur.  I have no clue why anyone would be motivated to stoop to such low levels.  Maybe some people can't relish the great accomplishments and monumental moments in our sport.  But making stuff up serves no purpose to further the sport and promote its image.  It really disgusts me.

I'm proud to run a site that doesn't participate in such antics.

[Mattlures]

George, Thank you sir.

Glenn there are some(not me) that hate the idea that the record could be taken to Japan. They are are the ones spreading the rumors. I have heard many of them like the "restricted area". I have several contacts that I have asked and it seems like their rules are a little different then ours. They have areas that are open to recreational fisherman but are off limits to tournaments. It sounds like he did nothing wrong. some are claiming the fish was caught in a net because it had sores on it. Well the fish very easily could have survived an incounter with a net and has a few scares to show from it. When the aplication is submitted to the IGFA a polygraph test will be mandatory. If he passes it then that should be good enough to sqaush all the rumors. Its sad that people are so jelous that they have to spread rumors. It seems now a lot of guy want the record to stay. Remember for a long time its been the FL GA boys who have treid to discredit the big bass from CA. Truthfully NO CA bass has ever been submitted which should be the record. A couple were caught but they didnt meet the requirements. I will not spread rumors about this new record bass. I will wait and see how the IGFA rules. It is an incredible achievement. I am hoping that the record does stay here but I would rather one of us catch one bigger and bring the record back then have the Japan one disqualified over a technicality. We will all just have to wait and see, no sense in spreading rumors.

[Lund Explorer]

San

The record was big news, reported by a dozen bass sites in the US alone, and now, not one is on top of this last rumor.

That's because the former is fact, and the latter is gossip. The respectable sites won't assist in spreading rumors.

The sad fact is, stories, gossip, and outright lies are conjured up and spread around when events like this occur. I have no clue why anyone would be motivated to stoop to such low levels. Maybe some people can't relish the great accomplishments and monumental moments in our sport. But making stuff up serves no purpose to further the sport and promote its image. It really disgusts me.

I'm proud to run a site that doesn't participate in such antics.

I think there's over 20,000 of us that are proud of that fact!

Thanks.

[Muddy]

San

The record was big news, reported by a dozen bass sites in the US alone, and now, not one is on top of this last rumor.

That's because the former is fact, and the latter is gossip. The respectable sites won't assist in spreading rumors.

The sad fact is, stories, gossip, and outright lies are conjured up and spread around when events like this occur. I have no clue why anyone would be motivated to stoop to such low levels. Maybe some people can't relish the great accomplishments and monumental moments in our sport. But making stuff up serves no purpose to further the sport and promote its image. It really disgusts me.

I'm proud to run a site that doesn't participate in such antics.

Thanks Boss for keeping it that way also. Considering the source of the rumors , the TRUTH generlly dosen't flow from that direction anyway.

[senile1]

George, Thank you sir.

Glenn there are some(not me) that hate the idea that the record could be taken to Japan. They are are the ones spreading the rumors. I have heard many of them like the "restricted area". I have several contacts that I have asked and it seems like their rules are a little different then ours. They have areas that are open to recreational fisherman but are off limits to tournaments. It sounds like he did nothing wrong. some are claiming the fish was caught in a net because it had sores on it. Well the fish very easily could have survived an incounter with a net and has a few scares to show from it. When the aplication is submitted to the IGFA a polygraph test will be mandatory. If he passes it then that should be good enough to sqaush all the rumors. Its sad that people are so jelous that they have to spread rumors. It seems now a lot of guy want the record to stay. Remember for a long time its been the FL GA boys who have treid to discredit the big bass from CA. Truthfully NO CA bass has ever been submitted which should be the record. A couple were caught but they didnt meet the requirements. I will not spread rumors about this new record bass. I will wait and see how the IGFA rules. It is an incredible achievement. I am hoping that the record does stay here but I would rather one of us catch one bigger and bring the record back then have the Japan one disqualified over a technicality. We will all just have to wait and see, no sense in spreading rumors.

I think it is a sign of how jacked up this whole process is that the guy has to take a lie detector test.  An honest person can get nervous and fail the test and with the world record on the line, I know I would be nervous.  If there is no good evidence to discredit the fish, people need to accept it.  Period.  

[WRB]

The only issue with the Kurita bass is the location it was reported to be caught may have been a restricted according to GK's interview and the original interviews in Japan. It's up to the Japanese authorities to clear that up, not the IGFA. The IGFA will review the application and accept it or require additional information and a possible personal interview and/or lie detector test.

Fishing in restricted areas is common; most marina's have signs "no fishing" near launch ramps and dock areas that are rarely enforced for example. Technically a catch from a posted marina or casting over a buoy line could be a local violation and the IGFA couldn't accept a fish caught if a local authority enforced the rule, or witnesses (2) signed an affidavit, the fish could be considered "poached". Every state, county, city ordinance can affect a record catch.

Anyone applying for the WR LMB will be under close scrutiny. Lets hope this catch makes it, if not it goes into the already bazaar history file for the WR LMB.

WRB

[Matt Fly]

WRB,

    Here again, I see no media reports coming out of Japan by Japanese officials that mention off limits/restricted areas.

  All this is generated in one article out of SAN DIEGO.    San Diego is the one tha mentions possible restricted area and 3  possible baits.

Any other US sources pushing these stories?    Not that I can find.

Any Japanese media pushing these stories?  Not that I can find.

 

[Muddy]

He always has the inside information,  

[Mattlures]

MattFly you havent looked very hard. 1 article has been written from San Diego. I have heard from several very credible sources and they werent from CA. In fact 3 of them were from Japan. The article in the san diego tribune was reporting from info recieved at Icast. The rumors are not coming from CA. they are coming from Japan and they are being spread by guys who want the record to be rejected.

The rumor spreaders are from all over the states

[WRB]

Kurita told the Japanese interviewer he caught the bass near the Biwa bridge, under a dock. The Biwa bridge turns out to be a restricted area.

http://www.kramergonefishing.com

The George Kramer interview details this issue. Why is this a rumor when Kurita himself stated where he caught his fish? Let the Japanese resolve this issue, if indeed there is and issue.

It's difficult for anyone that doesn't trophy bass fish to understand the jealousy involved by a few bass fisherman who have never caught trophy bass. When you add a potential world record catch, the crazies go nuts and start all kinds rumor through innuendo and passive aggressive comments.

I hope the Kurita bass makes it to the record books, it's about time a a new LMB record is established.

WRB

[Matt Fly]

MattFly you havent looked very hard. 1 article has been written from San Diego. I have heard from several very credible sources and they werent from CA. In fact 3 of them were from Japan. The article in the san diego tribune was reporting from info recieved at Icast. The rumors are not coming from CA. they are coming from Japan and they are being spread by guys who want the record to be rejected.

The rumor spreaders are from all over the states

LOL,, thats the rumor rag I'm talking about. LOL

Like I said, not one news agency from Japan talks about restricted waters or 3 posssible baits, only SanDiego online.

The very article Glenn responded to.

And what you've just told me, the info written came form Icast just reinforces that they are nothing but rumors.

[Glenn]

When you add a potential world record catch, the crazies go nuts and start all kinds rumor through innuendo and passive aggressive comments.

This what I was responding to, not any particular article or website.

[senile1]

He always has the inside information,

Actually, WRB is one of our more informative members.

[Muddy]

... :-X : ill be good RW, keep your hand away from that delete button