2nd spawn!!

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Well, I read about it here all the time but never had the opportunity to see it happen on my home lake till today.

Sure enough, new beds with fish on a few of them.  We've had cold rain the last few weeks with night temps consistently in the 50's.  Looks like this (My assumption) has caused another spawn.  Pretty cool.

[aarogb]

    Didn't know bass could spawn twice?

[Koop]

Wow that is really cool  

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Didn't know bass could spawn twice?

Sure, they hold egg year round.  Pretty sure they can go more than twice also.

[done]

Saw this on the pond where my mother lives in the NC mountains this year too. Wierd. The second round has already hatched though. Was shocked to start seeing the little ones AGAIN last time I was up there.

[fishfordollars]

I have to agree with you. When the weather and water sets up right I believe there is the chance for a second round. A lot of people will argue that they are just late spawners, but when it's months apart it's hard to argue that point. I've seen it happen in north Alabama several times when I lived over there. I did catch one over eight on June 27th several years ago on Sam Rayburn that was fanning a bed and had a bloody tail. It could be a few with crazy biological clocks though that just were not ready when it came time in the spring.

[3H]

Been happening up in a NH pond I've fished in.

[Muddy]

Didn't know bass could spawn twice?

Sure, they hold egg year round. Pretty sure they can go more than twice also.

Same thing here on 2 bodies of water in PA Russ, we have had several nights in the upper 40's,water temps in mid to low 60's , also last 40 days we have had slightly over 8 inches of rain

[Paul Roberts]

Russ, where are you?

[Raul]

2nd spawn, nope I don 't think so.

Bass have a spawn season once a year, how long that season will last depends a lot upon conditions and "fishography" ( how the population is distributed ).

In my neck of the woods the spawn begins in late March early April and it ends up about mid July, the bigger fish spawn first the smaller fish spawn last. In April you can see the biggest fish spawning, until a week ago what you can see in the nests were small fish, and you can see that there are small fish of all sizes.

Fish reproduction is not all about water temperature ( it plays a role ) but also about something you are not taking into consideration which is also very important and you are not able to see, hormone content of the water, bigger fish secrete hormones that block the reproductive cycle of the other fish and until those levels do not drop the smaller fish will not continue to develop their eggs, once the levels of hormones drop the smaller fish can develop their eggs and tjhen begin their spawning cycle.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Russ, where are you?

On the couch!!!  

(Rhode Island)

[Muddy]

Hey Raul: Is it possible, that with all the rain, there is less suspending algae in the water, It is clear like spring and late fall>> that we are seeing the active nests of the smaller fish we usually do not get to see at this time of year?

 The nests are on top of larger rocks in 8 to 12 ft of water, with bass on em, clearly.

[Tin]

I think it is called a Fake/False spawn, we were seeing it on Cape ponds last September.

[Raul]

Hey Raul: Is it possible, that with all the rain, there is less suspending algae in the water, It is clear like spring and late fall>> that we are seeing the active nests of the smaller fish we usually do not get to see at this time of year?

The nests are on top of larger rocks in 8 to 12 ft of water, with bass on em, clearly.

Yup !

That 's how they were down here until a couple of weeks ago, there 's this big pond/little lake I 've been fishing lately, the water is very clear and the areas where the fish were nesting are shallow flats, you can easily see the nest and the fish guarding it ( fish about 10-12 inches opposed to fish above 14 inches you were able to see a couple of months ago ), went last week and the places are now bass free, you can 't see a single bass, all you can see is those frying pan sized tilapias ( which like warmer water ). If you cast a lure you 'll see all sizes of tiny bass following it, the largest ones I 've seen are 2 inches long, the smallest ones about an inch, but if you look closesly you can see these clouds of teeny tiny bass hiding on whatever they can find.

I know they are bass because tilapia are mouthbreeders and the size of their fry is larger when they are free swimming.

[WRB]

Agree with Raul. Not every bass in any lake is on the same time table and it's possible to have early birds and later gators. We have a minor spawn in SoCal every fall, those bass are on a different schedule.

Female bass that can't spawn due to unseasonable weather at the time their eggs are ready will absorb the eggs and miss that spawning cycle, they can't carry the eggs beyond maturity.

WRB

[Fishing Rhino]

Well I'll be jiggered. Whether it's a true spawn or a false spawn, I started a thread asking about this very thing a couple of weeks ago.

Glad to see I've got company.

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1246801475

[DINK WHISPERER]

MAN, that's cool as hell.............................wish i could go twice!!!!!!!!      

[Kenny418]

I live in southern Ohio, (just north of Cincy). I fish a 55 acre gravel pit on a weekly basis. The water temp has been 75 to 80 for 10-14 weeks. 2 days ago I caught a 7lb 4 oz that appeared to be spawning. Tail all bloody and torn. My partner and I couldn"t figure this one out. So is this a late spawner?

[=Matt 5.0=]

Ya know, last week I said to myself... "Those look like NEW bluegill beds...."  

[Fishing Rhino]

2nd spawn, nope I don 't think so.

Bass have a spawn season once a year, how long that season will last depends a lot upon conditions and "fishography" ( how the population is distributed ).

In my neck of the woods the spawn begins in late March early April and it ends up about mid July, the bigger fish spawn first the smaller fish spawn last. In April you can see the biggest fish spawning, until a week ago what you can see in the nests were small fish, and you can see that there are small fish of all sizes.

Fish reproduction is not all about water temperature ( it plays a role ) but also about something you are not taking into consideration which is also very important and you are not able to see, hormone content of the water, bigger fish secrete hormones that block the reproductive cycle of the other fish and until those levels do not drop the smaller fish will not continue to develop their eggs, once the levels of hormones drop the smaller fish can develop their eggs and tjhen begin their spawning cycle.

There are some vague thoughts about "oddities" concerning breeding in the animal kingdom.  I say vague because I don't recall the specifics of documentaries I have seen or articles I have read.

Female gorillas will not enter a heat cycle while they are caring for their offspring.  Male gorillas will attempt and sometimes succeed in killing the young gorillas, which cause the females to go into heat when they normally would not.

In times of plenty, multiple births increase among some animals, while they may not breed at all in times of famine or hardship.  It seems this was among deer.

Some birds may raise only one group of offspring one year, while they may raise two or three "clutches" of eggs in years of plenty, or in response to low population levels.

As I said, these are vague thoughts.  The particulars may not be accurate.

Even if reasonably close to accurate, there is nothing in them to confirm it can/does happen likewise in the fish kingdom.

One poster in the thread I started, opined that the bass were looking for easy picking among the bluegill beds.  The following article supports that contention, and that the "bass on beds" a second time this year is explained by said article.

Just came across it in a search for "multiple spawns of fish".

http://texasfishingmaps.net/news/forage.htm

[George Welcome]

What biological textbook did the information that bass can resorb, (it's not absorb), their eggs? Further, what biological textbook or study indicates that one bass can control another's spawn activity by releasing some sort of hormone into the water?

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

All I know is that I'm up there about 4 days/week and we haven't seen a fresh bed ,especially with a Bass holding to it, in over 2 months.

All of a sudden,....fresh beds and a few Bass.

[Matt Fly]

Its not uncommon on Lake Fork to find beds in late Oct and Nov.