NEW world record bass caught lake biawa, japan!!!

[WRB]

The only scales available back in the early 30's with weights over 20 lbs were 100 lb scales with graduations of 1/2 lb. To get a 22 1/4 lb, the scale reader needed to split the 1/2 lb graduations and who will ever know if the scale was accurate.

Not true, one of the most common types of scales in the post offices back then came from Toledo Scale Co. The model mentioned was known as the "postal model" or 789, Patent as early as 1912.

The Toledo Scale Company was making these scales as early as 1912, this scale was called the "lightweight" scale, it could handle packages up to 40 lbs.

This model was found to still be in use in 1973 in one US post office.

Toledo Scale was established in 1900, and today, is know as Mettler Toledo. Still going strong, we use a few of their scales at various hospitals. A new born baby that is sick, is monitored closely for weight gain and weight loss, a baby's dosage will be determined by its weight, so accuracy is very critical in my job.

     

Exactly

It cracks me up when I read total nonsense about processes and procedures used during that time period, the scales of that era were just as accurate as those of today without digital readouts.

Putting The discussion into context was the IFGA 2 ounce rule. Scales are only accurate within the incremental divisions on the scales and within a percentage of total weight. Weights and measures calibrates scales accordingly. The vintage Toledo scale referenced has marked increments each 1/4 pound, with marks indicating 1 ounce increments that are close to the needle width. The calibration would be based on 1/4 lb increments. The Chatillion brass hand held scale uses a slide indicator that lines up visually with each division, both have parallax issues reading accurate weights. Both scales were OK for what they were used for, however easily misread.

Today's digital read out scales are easy to read, however few on the market are accurate and require calibration annually with a calibrated power source. Battery power variances cause inaccurate readings.

The Toledo scale statement was good and informative and not accurate. 3 beam type scales are accurate, used to weigh gold and other precious metals and date back centuries, however not used to weigh bass. At the end of the day what matters is a new world record bass.

[32251]

"AAHHH  SOOOO..Ties the record... like kissing your sister"

Great fish.  

[Mottfia]

Well I did not see that one coming. Japan? something tells me that the record may be going up again real soon.

Mottfia

[FEVER Erie - St Clair]

What a DONKEY!

If he caught it legit, on a rod and reel, he deserves the best.

Good Job Kurita!

[Catt]

The only scales available back in the early 30's with weights over 20 lbs were 100 lb scales with graduations of 1/2 lb. To get a 22 1/4 lb, the scale reader needed to split the 1/2 lb graduations and who will ever know if the scale was accurate.

Not true, one of the most common types of scales in the post offices back then came from Toledo Scale Co. The model mentioned was known as the "postal model" or 789, Patent as early as 1912.

The Toledo Scale Company was making these scales as early as 1912, this scale was called the "lightweight" scale, it could handle packages up to 40 lbs.

This model was found to still be in use in 1973 in one US post office.

Toledo Scale was established in 1900, and today, is know as Mettler Toledo. Still going strong, we use a few of their scales at various hospitals. A new born baby that is sick, is monitored closely for weight gain and weight loss, a baby's dosage will be determined by its weight, so accuracy is very critical in my job.

     

Exactly

It cracks me up when I read total nonsense about processes and procedures used during that time period, the scales of that era were just as accurate as those of today without digital readouts.

Putting The discussion into context was the IFGA 2 ounce rule. Scales are only accurate within the incremental divisions on the scales and within a percentage of total weight. Weights and measures calibrates scales accordingly. The vintage Toledo scale referenced has marked increments each 1/4 pound, with marks indicating 1 ounce increments that are close to the needle width. The calibration would be based on 1/4 lb increments. The Chatillion brass hand held scale uses a slide indicator that lines up visually with each division, both have parallax issues reading accurate weights. Both scales were OK for what they were used for, however easily misread.

Today's digital read out scales are easy to read, however few on the market are accurate and require calibration annually with a calibrated power source. Battery power variances cause inaccurate readings.

The Toledo scale statement was good and informative and not accurate. 3 beam type scales are accurate, used to weigh gold and other precious metals and date back centuries, however not used to weigh bass. At the end of the day what matters is a new world record bass.

Keep doing internet searches you'll get it right one day

[burleytog]

Keep doing internet searches you'll get it right one day

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[Lucky Craft Man]

It is interesting that this guy used an honored, revered, and native fish, such as the Japanese Koi, to catch a World Record scum-of-the-earth, non-native species, such as the Largemouth Bass.  Couldn't this guy be executed in Japan for that?

[5bass]

EddieMunster was just making funny about the dude's hair color.....so unless you have hair that color, drop it.  

Back on topic please.

[Eddie Munster]

EddieMunster was just making funny about the dude's hair color.....so unless you have hair that color, drop it.

Back on topic please.

Guess I missed the hoopla. Sorry to anyone I offended; as Five said I was just poking fun at the guy's hair (hell he has way more than me).

[WRB]

Thanks for taking the heat off of me for a few threads. Researching the Internet I discovered bass fishermen are known as red necks, may need to change that to carrot tops.

What upsets me the most is agreeing with Muddy that it's about time we have a new record. Cheers.

WRB

[Muddy]

There was talk that this Bass is a Florida Strain bass, transported to Japan. I guess that throws the theory out the window that Florida and or Texas can't produce a record.

[5bass]

Guess I missed the hoopla. Sorry to anyone I offended; as Five said I was just poking fun at the guy's hair (hell he has way more than me).

Me too. If I had half the hair that guy's got, I'd be in good shape.

I dont think the IGFA will recognize it as THE world record but man, what a monster. I honestly don't know what I'd do if that thing came up beside the boat with my hook in it's mouth. There's a good possibility that I'd be shaking so bad that I'd eventually shake the hook out myself.

[Eddie Munster]

Guess I missed the hoopla. Sorry to anyone I offended; as Five said I was just poking fun at the guy's hair (hell he has way more than me).

Me too. If I had half the hair that guy's got, I'd be in good shape.

I dont think the IGFA will recognize it as THE world record but man, what a monster. I honestly don't know what I'd do if that thing came up beside the boat with my hook in it's mouth. There's a good possibility that I'd be shaking so bad that I'd eventually shake the hook out myself.

Ditto.

I'm stopping by Wally World on the way home tonight to buy a decent net. Lost a 5 lber today near the boat. Bad luck more than misplaying her but if I had that net, I could have boated her.  :-/

[wisturkeyhunter]

There was talk that this Bass is a Florida Strain bass, transported to Japan. I guess that throws the theory out the window that Florida and or Texas can't produce a record.

What point are you trying to make here? The big Cali bass are Florida strain bass too. Theres more involved than just the strain when it comes to 20+ pound bass.

[Muddy]

There was discussion, earlier this spring that a Northern Strain would probably break the record, transplanted to Cali, rather than the Florida strain. Since I do not fish for giant bass, I am asking this question here to see if there is a change in that theory.

Since WBR , Mattlures ,Fish Chris and Paul, all big bass hunters answer the threads like this I figured it would be the right place to ask a question. I can't make a point as I am not knowledgeable about this, that's why I asked a question. I have been following these threads, since Fish Chris first caught my interest.

[wisturkeyhunter]

There was discussion, earlier this spring that a Northern Strain would probably break the record, transplanted to Cali, rather than the Florida strain. Since I do not fish for giant bass, I am asking this question here to see if there is a change in that theory.

Since WBR , Mattlures ,Fish Chris and Paul, all big bass hunters answer the ads like this I figured it would be the right place to ask a question. I can't make a point as I am not knowledgeable about this, that's why I asked a question. I have been following these threads, since Fish Chris first caught my interest.

Ok. I always thought the biggest bass to come outta cali were all florida strain.

[Muddy]

Thats what I am trying to find out, I searched fopr the old threads, cant find it. I think it was WBR, who pointed out that the Northern Strains were growing bigger, I am not sure about this, so I am waiting for one of the Cali guys to answer

[WRB]

Just the opposite. California NLMB were planted in the late 1890's and the state record was 14 lbs 9 oz. The pure FLMB strain grows the largest in California and declines a little with each intergrade.

It was my understanding the the Japanese FLMB came from California around the 1980 time period.

WRB

PS; published a In-Fishermen article back in '86 titled "A Rare Chance for a World Record" that details the FLMB California history, if interested. Research the internet or if you can't find it, I will be glad to email you a copy.

[Muddy]

Okay, so as the Florida Strain, breeds with the Northern Strain, the resultant fry, can not grow as large as the pure Florida Strains.right?

So if both strains are in the same body of water, how can they be inhibited from cross breeding? Why put both in the same body of water in the first place?

[WRB]

Okay, so as the Florida Strain, breeds with the Northern Strain, the resultant fry, can not grow as large as the pure Florida Strains.right?

That is the trend in California lakes, the first generations tends to produce the largest bass. In nature there will be exceptions, that's the basic pattern to date. The Zimmerlee 21 lb 15 oz and Easley 21 lb 3 oz were both validated as pure FLMB. The Dixon Dottie bass? don't know if she was a pure FLMB or not, maybe someone can enlighten us.

It should be interesting to learn what the Kurita bass; pure FLMB or intergrade.

WRB

[mrlitetackle]

wow.

simply amazing fish.

[Fish Chris]

Alright, here's the scoop on this....

Florida Strain Bass grow a lot bigger (and faster) than Northern strains {say an average top end size... for females, of 15 lbs}. Only problem is, the average life expectancy is much shorter for Florida's {say 11 years}.

Northerns, on the other hand, might top out at an average of say 9 lbs {again, we are only talking females here} but they might have an average lifespan of 15 years.... even 20 plus years in colder, more Northern climates.

So, the best possible scenario, is with "a certain, small percentage" of the offspring produced, by a Florida strain female, crossed with a Northern strain male.

Now, the thing is, a good number of these fish might only grow as fast as a Northern strain, and / or live as long as a Florida strain > even with optimum food and habitat.

However, a relatively small percentage (just to throw out a number, lets say, 10% to 20%) of these Florida X Northern crosses, will be able to "both grow as fast as a Florida strain, and live as long as a Northern strain (or at least, longer than most Floridas).

These cross breeds are called F1 (or first generation) hybrids.

Another problem here, is that with each generation that passes (F2's, F3's, etc) you end up with fewer and fewer of the positive aspects of both parents. Their is even some speculation that in the long term, the purposeful cross breeding of Northern and Florida strain Bass, can lead to a weakened gene pool.

But in the short term, these gene pools could come together to create a new World Record Bass :-)

Peace,

Fish

PS, Sorry WRB, I think we were typing at the same time :-) Anyway, I think we are on the same page.

[Muddy]

Thank you much!!!!!!!!! I will be going out tommorow to battle my usual 3lbrs, it keeps me smiling! 8-)

[Big Mike in Fl]

Chris, if this new record bass is beaten out of cali, I hope you're the man that gets it, your wealth of knowledge about bass and fishing for them is unsurpassed as far as I'm concerned.

[Fish Chris]

Thank you Big Mike....but I'm just another guy who likes to feel that tug on the line

Peace,

Fish