Super User Fishing Rhino Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 I rarely watch fishing shows. The more I do, the more disgusted I become. I realize this may offend some, but so be it. First, way too many commercials. I understand that commercials are necessary, but every five minutes, sometimes less? But, that's not the worst. What really gripes me is the way some of these "big name" superstars of fishing handle the fish when they catch 'em. When my dad first taught me how to fish with a bamboo pole, line, slit cork for a bobber, hook and worms for bait, rule number one was, do not handle a fish with dry hands. Dip your hand in the water before handling a fish. That reduces the amount of slime it removes. I have yet to see any bass fisherman wet his or her hands. I have seen fly fishermen wet their hands before cradling, unhooking and releasing their quarry. Even more aggravating to me is the way they handle the fish, regardless of size. Most if not all grip the fish by the lower jaw and wrench the fish into a horizontal position by using the same hand as a leverage point beneath the gills. Then they hold the fish in that position while posing for the camera, sometimes planting a kiss on the nose of the fish. A couple of days ago, on one of these shows, the star held the fish against his technicolor Disney designer shirt, which should also be a no no. My dad would have taken my pole away had I ever mishandled a fish like they routinely do. One of the reasons a round of golf can take five or six hours today is because folks emulate the pros they see on television. They take four or five minutes in preparation once they reach their ball. There's no reason to believe that some fishermen will not likewise emulate the actions of those they see on these programs. Getting off my soapbox now. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 I don't watch those shows because they are boring and intellectually unstimulating, no offense but the purpose is only to separate you from your money. I only watch 2 and only if the timing is right, I don't sit home with bated breath to watch them. Jose Wejebe the "Spanish Fly" and Mark Sosin. Golf should never take more than 3:45 and that's walking and carrying your clubs. Quote
Big Phish Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I like lunkerville. I guess that's cause it's focus on the average angler, like the people on here. Other than that i really don't watch any except if for some reason on a sat or sun morning im not fishing, i'll watch tourneys on ESPN. Quote
Super User cart7t Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 Just a few things. First, way too many commercials. I understand that commercials are necessary, but every five minutes, sometimes less? Have you seen a typical Nascar race or a NFL football game? Commercials pay the bill. A typical fishing show doesn't have very good ratings. It takes more commercial time to pay the bills. But, that's not the worst. What really gripes me is the way some of these "big name" superstars of fishing handle the fish when they catch 'em. When my dad first taught me how to fish with a bamboo pole, line, slit cork for a bobber, hook and worms for bait, rule number one was, do not handle a fish with dry hands. Dip your hand in the water before handling a fish. That reduces the amount of slime it removes. I have yet to see any bass fisherman wet his or her hands. I have seen fly fishermen wet their hands before cradling, unhooking and releasing their quarry. Even more aggravating to me is the way they handle the fish, regardless of size. Most if not all grip the fish by the lower jaw and wrench the fish into a horizontal position by using the same hand as a leverage point beneath the gills. Then they hold the fish in that position while posing for the camera, sometimes planting a kiss on the nose of the fish. A couple of days ago, on one of these shows, the star held the fish against his technicolor Disney designer shirt, which should also be a no no. My dad would have taken my pole away had I ever mishandled a fish like they routinely do. I can't recall ever wetting my hands before lipping a fish. I find the act of swinging a fish into the boat and allowing a fish to flop around on the floor of the boat while the angler dances around, screaming and whooping it up far more disgusting and damaging to a fish. That happens frequently during the telecasts of many tournaments. One of the reasons a round of golf can take five or six hours today is because folks emulate the pros they see on television. They take four or five minutes in preparation once they reach their ball. There's no reason to believe that some fishermen will not likewise emulate the actions of those they see on these programs. Getting off my soapbox now. Nothing stopping golf courses from planting officials on the course and telling players to pick up the pace or get off the course. Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted June 18, 2009 Author Super User Posted June 18, 2009 Just a few things. First, way too many commercials. I understand that commercials are necessary, but every five minutes, sometimes less? Have you seen a typical Nascar race or a NFL football game? Commercials pay the bill. A typical fishing show doesn't have very good ratings. It takes more commercial time to pay the bills. But, that's not the worst. What really gripes me is the way some of these "big name" superstars of fishing handle the fish when they catch 'em. When my dad first taught me how to fish with a bamboo pole, line, slit cork for a bobber, hook and worms for bait, rule number one was, do not handle a fish with dry hands. Dip your hand in the water before handling a fish. That reduces the amount of slime it removes. I have yet to see any bass fisherman wet his or her hands. I have seen fly fishermen wet their hands before cradling, unhooking and releasing their quarry. Even more aggravating to me is the way they handle the fish, regardless of size. Most if not all grip the fish by the lower jaw and wrench the fish into a horizontal position by using the same hand as a leverage point beneath the gills. Then they hold the fish in that position while posing for the camera, sometimes planting a kiss on the nose of the fish. A couple of days ago, on one of these shows, the star held the fish against his technicolor Disney designer shirt, which should also be a no no. My dad would have taken my pole away had I ever mishandled a fish like they routinely do. I can't recall ever wetting my hands before lipping a fish. I find the act of swinging a fish into the boat and allowing a fish to flop around on the floor of the boat while the angler dances around, screaming and whooping it up far more disgusting and damaging to a fish. That happens frequently during the telecasts of many tournaments. One of the reasons a round of golf can take five or six hours today is because folks emulate the pros they see on television. They take four or five minutes in preparation once they reach their ball. There's no reason to believe that some fishermen will not likewise emulate the actions of those they see on these programs. Getting off my soapbox now. Nothing stopping golf courses from planting officials on the course and telling players to pick up the pace or get off the course. Re NASCAR: That is a common complaint among race fans. I love the contradictory rationale the announcers use in a vain attempt to justify them. A caution flag comes out. "We'll take a commercial break now so we can get back to cover the action in the pits." Then when they pit, "We'll go to commercial now so we can cover the action on the restart." While fishing doesn't get the ratings of NASCAR (which is declining) or football, WFN, ESPN, VS etc, do not have to pay the confiscatory rates that networks do for the much higher rated "sports". Re the handling of the fish: I do wet my hand, even when I lip a fish. Easy since I'm at water level sitting in my canoe. You are correct about the celebrating while a fish flops around on the deck. Not all do that though. Most seem anxious to get it in the well and the lure back in the water as quickly as possible. They have a vested interest in getting the fish back to the scale alive. Golf: They do have "officials" on the course to keep play moving. They call them rangers. Some courses do a better job than others. That however has nothing to do with the point that many folks tend to copy what they see the superstars of their activity doing. In fact, it proves the point. Quote
Super User Sam Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 follow the money in tv shows and politics. ;D Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 follow the money in tv shows and politics. ;D Great point! Quote
Super User cart7t Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 Just a few things. First, way too many commercials. I understand that commercials are necessary, but every five minutes, sometimes less? Have you seen a typical Nascar race or a NFL football game? Commercials pay the bill. A typical fishing show doesn't have very good ratings. It takes more commercial time to pay the bills. But, that's not the worst. What really gripes me is the way some of these "big name" superstars of fishing handle the fish when they catch 'em. When my dad first taught me how to fish with a bamboo pole, line, slit cork for a bobber, hook and worms for bait, rule number one was, do not handle a fish with dry hands. Dip your hand in the water before handling a fish. That reduces the amount of slime it removes. I have yet to see any bass fisherman wet his or her hands. I have seen fly fishermen wet their hands before cradling, unhooking and releasing their quarry. Even more aggravating to me is the way they handle the fish, regardless of size. Most if not all grip the fish by the lower jaw and wrench the fish into a horizontal position by using the same hand as a leverage point beneath the gills. Then they hold the fish in that position while posing for the camera, sometimes planting a kiss on the nose of the fish. A couple of days ago, on one of these shows, the star held the fish against his technicolor Disney designer shirt, which should also be a no no. My dad would have taken my pole away had I ever mishandled a fish like they routinely do. I can't recall ever wetting my hands before lipping a fish. I find the act of swinging a fish into the boat and allowing a fish to flop around on the floor of the boat while the angler dances around, screaming and whooping it up far more disgusting and damaging to a fish. That happens frequently during the telecasts of many tournaments. One of the reasons a round of golf can take five or six hours today is because folks emulate the pros they see on television. They take four or five minutes in preparation once they reach their ball. There's no reason to believe that some fishermen will not likewise emulate the actions of those they see on these programs. Getting off my soapbox now. Nothing stopping golf courses from planting officials on the course and telling players to pick up the pace or get off the course. Re NASCAR: That is a common complaint among race fans. I love the contradictory rationale the announcers use in a vain attempt to justify them. A caution flag comes out. "We'll take a commercial break now so we can get back to cover the action in the pits." Then when they pit, "We'll go to commercial now so we can cover the action on the restart." While fishing doesn't get the ratings of NASCAR (which is declining) or football, WFN, ESPN, VS etc, do not have to pay the confiscatory rates that networks do for the much higher rated "sports". Re the handling of the fish: I do wet my hand, even when I lip a fish. Easy since I'm at water level sitting in my canoe. You are correct about the celebrating while a fish flops around on the deck. Not all do that though. Most seem anxious to get it in the well and the lure back in the water as quickly as possible. They have a vested interest in getting the fish back to the scale alive. Golf: They do have "officials" on the course to keep play moving. They call them rangers. Some courses do a better job than others. That however has nothing to do with the point that many folks tend to copy what they see the superstars of their activity doing. In fact, it proves the point. I'm not arguing your point, I'm more concerned about folks following the lead of athletes that are doing illegal things in their off hours or using performance enhancing drugs. Quote
Super User fishinfiend Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 I kiss my fish. :-* Quote
D4u2s0t Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I try to get the fish back in the water as soon as possible, i pull it up by the lip, take out the hook, and it goes right back. If i get something worthy of a pic, i snap a quick pic, and right back in the water. I also try to never touch anything on the fish other than the lip. only time i'll grab a fish is if it's a smally or something else that is too small to lip. but the largemouths are usually back in the water in a few seconds. Quote
moloch16 Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Get a DVR and your life will be much happier. I can watch a fishing show in about 5 minutes. I fast forward through all the commercials, and fast forward through all the fluff. I only stop to watch when they actually provide some useful tid-bit of information like what they are using, how deep they are fishing, why the fish are doing what they are doing, etc. Quote
Tokyo Tony Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I like Lindner's Angling Edge a lot - they are actually trying to teach you something about fishing, and I know I've learned a lot from that show. That's pretty much it though. Roland Martin is the most annoying man on the planet...actually, no. He's 2nd to Chahlie Mooah. I have nothing against Massholes, but this one in particular really really gets to me. Rarely has a no-talent butt-clown like him gone as far as he has. Quote
snuffy33 Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Never watch them. They're a complete waste of time. Quote
J-B Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Get a DVR and your life will be much happier. I can watch a fishing show in about 5 minutes. I fast forward through all the commercials, and fast forward through all the fluff. I only stop to watch when they actually provide some useful tid-bit of information like what they are using, how deep they are fishing, why the fish are doing what they are doing, etc. X2 Quote
NBR Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I watch them since hey are better than most of the drivel on TV. I do get up set when the keep the fish out of the water while they pontificate about the technique, the bait, how skilled they are , their mother's apple pie and on and on. Catch it, glance at it and get it back in the water. I firmly believe many stress fish swim off to die later. Quote
cato Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 long rounds of golf have nothing to do with imulating pro's. It has more to do with people not "playing when ready", shooting 100+, and searching for pice of crap golf ball that they probably found anyway for 10 minutes. biend an avid golfer I could go on a real rant about that subject. I rarely ever watch fishing shows simply because its always a sales pitch to buy something. I realize these guys make their living like this and I would do it too given the opportunity but I don't like to watch it. I never wet my hands before handling a fish and never have unless I'm reaching in the water for him. That being said, I catch him, lip him, take the hook out and throw him back! No hugs, kisses, or dancing involved. Quote
Super User grimlin Posted June 18, 2009 Super User Posted June 18, 2009 I can't recall ever wetting my hands before lipping a fish. I find the act of swinging a fish into the boat and allowing a fish to flop around on the floor of the boat while the angler dances around, screaming and whooping it up far more disgusting and damaging to a fish. That happens frequently during the telecasts of many tournaments. I never understood this one either...... Quote
Super User Hammer 4 Posted June 19, 2009 Super User Posted June 19, 2009 Welp, I watch some of the fishing show's..and yup I gott em on DVR so the commercials are a moot point. I try to do what's best, Not what the pro's do, or don't do..I lip my fish, maybe snap a quick pic and release him Gently into the water. On eof my pet pev's is seeing anyone, pro or otherwise horse a fish into the boat, and let it flop on the deck, in a net, or wherever...From what I understand, it's harmful to a fish to keep it outta water for more than 30 seconds, I try to have em unhooked and gone in 20 secs or less. BTW, I was a 5 hcp golfer..some of the tracks I plyed at, walking or carting couldn't be played in less than 4 hrs.. Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted June 19, 2009 Author Super User Posted June 19, 2009 long rounds of golf have nothing to do with imulating pro's. It has more to do with people not "playing when ready", shooting 100+, and searching for pice of crap golf ball that they probably found anyway for 10 minutes. biend an avid golfer I could go on a real rant about that subject.quote] People don't play "ready golf" because the pros don't play ready golf. Many also mimic the processes that the pros do over every shot. Heck most articles I have read attribute the increase of time over the years to players who emulate the pros. When I began playing in the 1960s, an 18 hole round at a muni course might take just over three hours, with most golfers walking. Now, four and a half hours is the norm, with most golfers using carts. But you are right about the inefficiencies of the recreational golfers, at least some of them. Two people in a cart. Their drives are on opposite sides of the fairway. They should go to player one's ball, drop him off with his club selection. Player two goes to his ball and prepares for his shot. But, they don't. They wait at player one's ball. Then player one plays his shot. Off to player two's ball where he must evaluate distance, wind, elevation changes, areas to avoid, etc, before playing the shot. This is moot if they are keeping pace with the group ahead. Consider this. On the weekend, it takes more than four hours for a pro to play 18 holes. That's for a twosome, not a foursome. From 60 or more yards, they will walk to the green, survey it, and pick a spot to which they will play the ball. Many weekend hackers needlessly do the same thing. Even if it's a course they've played many times. Quote
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Lots of good points here!! U never wet my hands before lipping but I do kiss most of them also,lol. Quote
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted June 19, 2009 Super User Posted June 19, 2009 Ill watch a tourny if i happen to find it when im bored ,But other then that i stick to discovery channel and them types of shows.river monsters was OK Quote
Mottfia Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 I'll say this. I was surpirsed when The Elite series show actually had Alton Jones and Ike telling about the locations that fished and why the fish were there. Thats a big step up in my book. Mottfia Quote
FEVER Erie - St Clair Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Never wet my hands, but ALWAYS spray them with attractant of some type (Spray Gulp or Anise oil) to mask scent. A light oil type substance like that goes a long way as opposed to letting dry hands remove the slime coat from the jaw. Quote
TxGator Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Does watching Bill Dance bloopers on the internet count? Gator Quote
90x Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 I don't know what you are watching, but I find fishing shows entertaining and educational. They are mentally stimulating. I receive amazing tips when I watch the shows. There are lots of commercials, but it is the fisherman's job to monitor themselves. Overall, they are great and a great source of knowledge. Ive learned so much. Come on guys, there's nothing wrong with them. Watch Versus. I learn a little from every show. The more you know, the better the fisherman you are. Quote
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