Scott Martin vs. Roland Martin

[Lucky Craft Man]

I really enjoy watching The Scott Martin Challenge and I like Scott Martin as a fisherman.  Unfortunately, I can't really say the same about his father (Roland Martin).  Why do you think Roland sold out by promoting everything on earth and his son seems down to earth and isn't pimping his "Martin" name out to everything?

[bigtimfish]

I was really disappointed when Roland did the rocket launcher thing fishing thing.

[Fishing Rhino]

I really enjoy watching The Scott Martin Challenge and I like Scott Martin as a fisherman. Unfortunately, I can't really say the same about his father (Roland Martin). Why do you think Roland sold out by promoting everything on earth and his son seems down to earth and isn't pimping his "Martin" name out to everything?

I'll hazard a guess to the "pimping" question.  

Could it be that vendors are not asking him to endorse their products as much as they do/did for his dad?

May be wrong, but I doubt Scott has the same opportunities as his dad to "cash in" on or "pimp" his name.

[Big Bait Fishing]

probably did it for the money , after all he is the greatest tournament fisher EVER ! i know alot of people will say  ''but RICK CLUNN is '' but Roland straight dominated fishing during his career , he has so many sponsorship opprotunities that that's all it became , a buisness ......

[SirSnookalot]

Making $ from product promotion and endorsements is not selling out, it's creating a business.

The hard work is building up their name to put themselves in that position, an accomplishment that many aspire to, I admire him.

[bigtimfish]

probably did it for the money , after all he is the greatest tournament fisher EVER ! i know alot of people will say ''but RICK CLUNN is '' but Roland straight dominated fishing during his career , he has so many sponsorship opprotunities that that's all it became , a buisness ......

It must suck to look at Bass Fishing as business. I always said that if Fishing and golf ever became not fun for me anymore, i would quit. I dont see that EVER happening. I wonder if Roland Martin still finds it fun or a challange.Tiger Woods too,is golf even fun for him anymore?

[Big Bait Fishing]

probably did it for the money , after all he is the greatest tournament fisher EVER ! i know alot of people will say ''but RICK CLUNN is '' but Roland straight dominated fishing during his career , he has so many sponsorship opprotunities that that's all it became , a buisness ......

It must suck to look at Bass Fishing as business. I always said that if Fishing and golf ever became not fun for me anymore, i would quit. I dont see that EVER happening. I wonder if Roland Martin still finds it fun or a challange.Tiger Woods too,is golf even fun for him anymore?

i really don't think he bass fishes anymore , he is always talking about red fishing and other saltwater fish . too bad , he was a master at bass fishing and hero to alot of people growing up . even when you watch his shows he seems not that enthuzed when he fishes  :-/

[SirSnookalot]

At least Roland Martin gives the impression of enjoying what he is doing, no doubt than he no longer needs to earn a living.

Tiger Woods on the other hand may not enjoy what he is doing but he is driven and obsessed to be the very best ever.  He doesn't the money either.

[cart7t]

I've heard that Rolands ex made out rather well in the divorce several years ago.  I'm sure he's re-padding the bank account.

[paragon]

I would chug a bottle of 5 hour energy for alot less then Roland but I don't think anyone woud care. Being a small business owner and always being self employed, I have learned that if someone offers money to do something you take it or the offer will go away. Some one else will get paid to shoot a rocket fishing pole, not you.

[bass wrangler569]

I would chug a bottle of 5 hour energy for alot less then Roland but I don't think anyone woud care. Being a small business owner and always being self employed, I have learned that if someone offers money to do something you take it or the offer will go away. Some one else will get paid to shoot a rocket fishing pole, not you.

I'd rather keep my dignity and pride than get paid to sell rocket fishing poles but that's just me...

[tyrius.]

What's everyone's deal about the Rocket fishing rod?  It's a cheap setup designed to allow kids to have fun fishing and to add a little bit of extra to the casting.

He's not promoting it to tourney anglers in search of giants.

And Aaron isn't pimping his name out because his name isn't worth nearly as much.  

[SirSnookalot]

I would chug a bottle of 5 hour energy for alot less then Roland but I don't think anyone woud care. Being a small business owner and always being self employed, I have learned that if someone offers money to do something you take it or the offer will go away. Some one else will get paid to shoot a rocket fishing pole, not you.

Paragon, seeing you're from Michigan , some trivia.  My former doctor Jimmie Bragman in W. Bloomfield is the developer of the 5 hour energy drink.

[Grey Wolf]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

[Lucky Craft Man]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money.  What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned.  If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use.  I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole.  For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is.  That's the only point I am trying to make.

[KYntucky Warmouth]

What's everyone's deal about the Rocket fishing rod? It's a cheap setup designed to allow kids to have fun fishing and to add a little bit of extra to the casting.

He's not promoting it to tourney anglers in search of giants.

And Aaron isn't pimping his name out because his name isn't worth nearly as much.

:-?

[Triton21]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.

I think both of their attitudes suck. I met Roland but not Scott. Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50". They are Lazy 'want-to-be' and 'has-been'.

Kelley

[bigfish88]

Making $ from product promotion and endorsements is not selling out, it's creating a business.

The hard work is building up their name to put themselves in that position, an accomplishment that many aspire to, I admire him.

nough said snookalot..

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.

I think both of their attitudes suck. I met Roland but not Scott. Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50". They are Lazy 'want-to-be' and 'has-been'.

Kelley

This describes 98% of the workforce in America .the most important part of goin to work is clocking in and clockin out .

[mase088]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.

I think both of their attitudes suck. I met Roland but not Scott. Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50". They are Lazy 'want-to-be' and 'has-been'.

Kelley

I guess that really depends on the situation, in a football game if your team is killing the other team, don't you take your starters out? Or do you leave them in because you want to give 100%?

Somethings just don't require as much effort, and maybe to them fishing is one of those things. Not saying I agree necessarily, just another view.

[tyrius.]

What's everyone's deal about the Rocket fishing rod? It's a cheap setup designed to allow kids to have fun fishing and to add a little bit of extra to the casting.

He's not promoting it to tourney anglers in search of giants.

And Aaron isn't pimping his name out because his name isn't worth nearly as much.

:-?

Monetarily.

The name Kevin Van Dam on something is worth more in brand recognition than a lesser known angler or a no-name guy like me.  That's also why you see a ton of tackle with KVD on it.

[bass wrangler569]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.

I agree with you completely. Promoting terrible products that you have no faith in just for the sake of money is unethical.

And yes Bass-Brat, I am begrudging him for trying to make money unethically. Crack dealers are just "trying to earn some money." Is that ethical? What about a used car dealer who tells a client that the car runs great when they know full well that the car barely runs at all? Is that ethical? There are a lot of things people could do while "trying to earn some money" but it doesn't make those things morally right. I would never begrudge somebody who makes money selling something they believe in, but to market something you know is junk just to earn a quick buck is wrong.

[CWB]

First I think Tyrius has Aaron Martens mixed up with Scott Martin.

Easy mistake.

Second, in Scott's commercial that he says"why get by on 100% effort when you can get by with 50%" he is referring to the effort it takes to stow and deploy the trolling motor he is selling, not his own personal work ethic. He does come off a little arrogant in that commercial but it's probably all part of the schtick.

JMHO. I did meet Roland at a local boat show and he was very gracious. I got a signed picture - for free!

[mac]

A lot of people take pot shots at Roland but he is in bussiness an making a living like the rest of us.I was at a seminar a few years ago with Basil Bacon and he said that Rick Clunn was an awesome fisherman but in his eyes and a lot of other pros Roland Martin is the greatest fisherman of all time by a long long way.

[Grey Wolf]

Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?

I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.

I agree with you completely. Promoting terrible products that you have no faith in just for the sake of money is unethical.

And yes Bass-Brat, I am begrudging him for trying to make money unethically. Crack dealers are just "trying to earn some money." Is that ethical? What about a used car dealer who tells a client that the car runs great when they know full well that the car barely runs at all? Is that ethical? There are a lot of things people could do while "trying to earn some money" but it doesn't make those things morally right. I would never begrudge somebody who makes money selling something they believe in, but to market something you know is junk just to earn a quick buck is wrong.

So you are comparing what he sells to what a crack dealer  sells. You are totally out of line. What he hawks will not ruin a life.