Super User WRB Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 This totally blows me away: You don't bring a knife to a gunfight! If these guys are on such a passionate quest, why were they unprepared for success? No certified scale? Wassup with that! : A certified scale must have current calibration sticker from the state weights & measures. Your personal digital or spring scale doesn't meet IGFA requirements. In California it is also illegal to transport any game fish. If the marina doesn't have a certified scale, then we illegally transport the bass to the closest post office or retail food store that has a certified scale, weigh the bass, have 2 witnesses sign and date the weigh slip and get a photograph of the bass on the scale. Then we take the bass back to the lake to release it. If you don't document the bass properly, the catch isn't vaild. The problem of illegally transporting the bass could disqualify the fish for IGFA consideration. Total pain in the arsh! WRB Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 I had a Chatillion certified by two counties' weights and measures offices. It takes effort, but not impossible. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 Actually, since we're talking IGFA, here's their requirements: http://www.igfa.org/ScaleCertificationInfo.pdf Quote
32251 Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 They were not unpreparred. there is a certified scale at the lake. They were unpreparred to foul hook the fish. When that happened they called thier lawyer and told him they fish was foul hooked and he told them to let it go so they did. Now a lawyer is involved.......geez. I am glad that fish finally won. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 Despite the above post I am sure with a little effort like J Francho, a certified scale could have been placed at that park. If you are going to put that much effort on catching the next record bass, you would think one of the main priorities would be to have a certified scale on site, at the very least. Not having one is like trying to break the world land speed record and not having any certified instumentation to certify you mph : Quote
Super User fourbizz Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 You can get a hand held scale certified. They should have had one. Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 I had a Chatillion certified by two counties' weights and measures offices. It takes effort, but not impossible. The problem with a spring Chatillion Fish & Game or laboratory quality scale, in the 25 lb weight range, is the graduations are in 4 oz increments, with a 2% accuracy. California requires scales to be certified every 4 months if you are selling a product that requires certification, plus there are cost involved. Used a Chatillion for years and the IGFA doesn't accept weights, unless you send them the scale to certify prior to and along with submitting a record, plus have a picture with the weight clearly indicated. Fishermen tend to cheat and the IGFA takes that into consideration. IMO a potential world record bass should be put on ice to eliminate problems. WRB Quote
Super User fourbizz Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 http://www.salterbrecknell.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=546&category_id=8&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 Certifiable Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 You can get a hand held scale certified. They should have had one.For a $30 inspection fee, no doubt! BTW, the weights and measures inspectors used to do mine for free. I worked in a store that sold bulk items by weight, and rebagged bulk items, and the scales had to be certified by them, as well as the rebagged items checked for accuracy. Quote
paul. Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 california: home of the biggest bass and the dumbest bass fishing regulations. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 I had a Chatillion certified by two counties' weights and measures offices. It takes effort, but not impossible. The problem with a spring Chatillion Fish & Game or laboratory quality scale, in the 25 lb weight range, is the graduations are in 4 oz increments, with a 2% accuracy. California requires scales to be certified every 4 months if you are selling a product that requires certification, plus there are cost involved. Used a Chatillion for years and the IGFA doesn't accept weights, unless you send them the scale to certify prior to and along with submitting a record, plus have a picture with the weight clearly indicated. Fishermen tend to cheat and the IGFA takes that into consideration. IMO a potential world record bass should be put on ice to eliminate problems. WRB All that is true, though I'm not sure why you need CA's blessing that the scale is kosher, if IGFA says it is with a yearly inspection. That's fine anyway, I don't have to worry about catching a world record LMB here in Western NY, LOL. My point was that it isn't nearly as difficult to get a scale certified as it was to catch that fish, so I still agree that they were unprepared. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 http://www.salterbrecknell.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=546&category_id=8&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 Certifiable Trying to find a price on that model - any idea? I'm thinking around $150? Quote
Super User fourbizz Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 I think retail is 120, but you can find them on ebay new for 80-90 pretty regularly. Quote
paul. Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 IMO a potential world record bass should be put on ice to eliminate problems. i agree totally with this. the guy who catches it better be ready to kill it if he wants it to hold up. i think things have just gotten way too crazy for any fish that is released alive, no matter how big, to stand up to all the scrutiny and controversy. of course in today's "catch and release" era, killing the fish is going to present it's own set of problems. Quote
Mattlures Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 AGAIN for those that didnt read through alll the post THERE IS A CERTIFIED SCALE AT THE LAKE!!!!!!!!!!! The Salter is the scale I use. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 I thought I recalled that the scale was certified by one agency, but not the other, and that they also needed a NR or something. I don't know, sounds weird to me. Quote
paul. Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 but the biggest question still remains:WHY ISN'T THERE A CERTIFIED SCALE AT THE LAKE????? just messin' with ya bro. sounds like you need to go fishing matt. ;D Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 AGAIN for those that didnt read through alll the post THERE IS A CERTIFIED SCALE AT THE LAKE!!!!!!!!!!! The Salter is the scale I use. I understand Dixon has a certified scale, however to the best of my knowledge Dotty wasn't weighed on it, she was weighed using the anglers scales. back in '94 I caught what I thought may be a world record as it looked to weigh about 22 lbs on my spring scale. Castaic didn't have a certified scale, so loaded the boat on the trailer and hauled the bass to the closest store, the Mini Mart. Told the owner that I had a big bass to weigh and needed a certified weight slip. Went out to the boat, put the bass in my carry bag with some water and took the bass into the store to weigh. The weight was 19.3 and I was very dissappointed!! took the bass quickly back to Casitas and released it. Went back to the Mini Mart to get my Polariod photo and weight slip and the owner asked if they could reweigh the bass. The problem was they forgot to re set the zero after removing a 2 lb tray, so my bass shouod have been 2 pounds heavier. I will never know for sure what that bass actually weighed. Today it's still my PB at 19.3 It's hard to explain the emotions you go through when you think you have a world record fish. Thinking clearly doesn't happen, you make mistakes and I fully understand how mistakes were made with Dottie, after realizing the bass was foul hooked. WRB Quote
Still a Bigbuckifan Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 WRB I would love to see a picture of that bass. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/bassmaster/news/story?page=f_fea_bass_top25list http://www.fishingnetwork.net/top25lmb.htm http://www.seewald.com/top_25_bass.htm Quote
fishizzle Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 WRB--can't you sue for that not only the world record was lost but the million $$$$ endorsements too. sorry my friend, that is a deep wound. Dottie got her justice when she passed, she made the top 25 list and was caught possibly weighing 25 lbs+/- she made history and will be spoken of in lore for many years. Maybe one of the only bass that everyone knows her name and won't be bothered any more---That's justice!!!!!!!!! Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 WRB I would love to see a picture of that bass. PM your email and will attached a photo. Submitted my 2 top bass to BASS and others with documentation a few months ago, might as well be listed on the top 25, not getting any younger. Be interesting to see what final weight Dotty is listed at; both Dickerson and Long have her listed. Crupi's 22.01 has never been validated by California, no certified weight. WRB Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 WRB--can't you sue for that not only the world record was lost but the million $$$$ endorsements too. sorry my friend, that is a deep wound. Dottie got her justice when she passed, she made the top 25 list and was caught possibly weighing 25 lbs+/- she made history and will be spoken of in lore for many years. Maybe one of the only bass that everyone knows her name and won't be bothered any more---That's justice!!!!!!!!! Sue who? I let the fish go! Should have put her on ice and will if I ever catch another potentail record bass. 19.3 + 2 = 21+, not 22+ Dotty was caught at least 3 times, listed by Long and Dickerson currently. WRB Quote
Super User Muddy Posted February 5, 2009 Super User Posted February 5, 2009 This begs for a couple of questions 1.Why is Crupis Bass on every list 2.Why not post your pic here for all to see Quote
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