mattm Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Ok, your probably right. I guess it makes since that the angler could easlily elect to have the SAL keep the fish. Sorry for doubting you.
fathom Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 personally, don't care where it comes from as long as whoever catches it has the balls to weigh it on a certified scale. to date, bob crupi's 22# is the heaviest certified weight...period. anything over that is pure conjecture.
Super User Catt Posted January 5, 2009 Super User Posted January 5, 2009 As per Texas Parks and Wildlife Department's web site The angler must sign a release absolving all sponsors, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, and Texas Parks and Wildlife Department employees of any liability resulting from the loss or death of the fish. At the end of spawning season, the ShareLunker will be returned to the angler for live release, or the angler may donate it permanently to the program. Either way, the angler receives a fiberglass replica of the catch made by Lake Fork Taxidermy, Budweiser ShareLunker clothing, and recognition at an annual awards banquet held at TFFC. In addition, the Texas resident catching the largest entry of the season is awarded a lifetime fishing license.
Randall Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Georgia now has a SAL type program planned for the future. I am 100% against it. It will be a big waste of taxpayers money. Georgia already has bass with the genes to grow to world record size. The problem here is not genes but that the fish are harvested before they can get to that size and our lakes are not managed to produce big bass. Our lakes have some 29-32 inch bass. The problem here is we starve them by using tons of hybrids and stripers to control and destroy the bait fish populations where giant fish is most likely to be. Also illegal spotted bass stockings all over the state have almost wiped out LM bass populations in the parts of most public lakes with the most promise of producing giant fish. I believe it is possible for Georgia to produce both a WR spotted bass and a WR largemouth but it will take a lot of luck since we are down to very very few lakes left with the potential since Stripers, hybrids and spots are in almost all of our lakes now.
Mattlures Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I feel for you Randall. People think spots and stripers are such great fish but they dont realize or they dont care what that does to huge LMB. Castaic produced many HUGE bass and then came the stripers. Its done. it hasnet produces a gaint in 20 years and probably never will again. If we had a bunch of 30in bass out here we would have a few record plus fish. Your giant 16 that you caught would have been a 20+lber out here.
Mattlures Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Mattm no need to apologize AT ALL! Catt the SAL is not a bad thing. its just bad for the very top end fish. I have to admit if we had that program out here I would have submitted a few fish. I would do everthing I could to keep the fish in good shape with minimal handling. Thats one of the problems guys are soo excited about thier fish of a lifetime so they want to show everybody. I cant blame them. I would make sure each of my fish were released back to lake it came from. I am sure some fish are treated properly and end up back inthe lakes in great condition but There are others that dont make it back. I dont think the SAL program is bad because of the SAL I think its negatives come from the fisherman who dont properly handle the fish.
Super User Catt Posted January 6, 2009 Super User Posted January 6, 2009 I totally agree with you matt and I also know for a fact that many 10# plus bass caught on Toledo Bend never make it to the scales for the exact reasons you state. Louisiana has a similar program except it accepts 10# plus fish and last year the program accepted 52 bass, I personally caught 11 bass 10# plus never called once and have no intention on calling either program unless I break the lake record. Rule #6 as per TPWD A TPWD employee will be solely responsible for accepting a fish into the program based on the expectation that the fish will be able to survive and spawn. Fish held at Weigh and Holding Stations are not officially entered into the ShareLunker program until accepted by a TPWD representative.
Eddie Munster Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with whoever posted that the window to catch the WR is indeed very small. Being at the right place at the right time with the right bait. And just like the lottery is often won by older people (with no chance of collecting 20-30 annual payments) you know the WR will be caught by a novice throwing a stinkin' banjo minnow or something lame. :'(
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 8, 2009 Super User Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with whoever posted that the window to catch the WR is indeed very small. Being at the right place at the right time with the right bait. And just like the lottery is often won by older people (with no chance of collecting 20-30 annual payments) you know the WR will be caught by a novice throwing a stinkin' banjo minnow or something lame. :'( Youy're not paying attention...Some of the best sticks in California are after the record and have already caught much bigger bass. It ain't luck! 8-)
SkilletSizeBass. Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 I voted for Cal., ........but little-bity Borden lake(pack a boat over the dam Borden lake) in Indiana might fool ya
Bass-1 Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 It HAS to be Cali. With all those hugh bass being caught every spring, there's no dought those boys will hook into another 25 pounder again. It may not happen soon, but it WILL happen, and when it does, it will be in Cali.
Mattlures Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 Eddie you misunderstood about the window. Its not about the fisherman. Its about the fish itself. There is only a very small window that a gaint fish stays big enough to be over 22.4. what I was saying is not only do you have to have a monster fish, but that fish has to be caught durring the spawn, or at least full of eggs and it might even need to have just eaten. The rest of the year that fish might stay at around 18-19lbs. Als that same fish is old and only has maybe 2-5 years where it ever reaches the 22lb mark. Verry small window. I dont think you have to worry about it being a lucky catch. if you look at the top fifty bass they were caught by the guys who were trying to cath them. Several guys have more then one fish. Mike Long has caught about 1/3 of them.
fathom Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 actually, there is evidence to suggest bass are heavier in fall than prespawn.
ilovefooffur Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 I voted Cali because I'm from here and I'll be the one catching it. Umm....right!
Captain Obvious Posted January 9, 2009 Author Posted January 9, 2009 Hey I'm back and the hunt for the picture is on. I'm going to start a topic tomorrow that will tell you just whats going with trying to find the picture. But I'm holding on to what little pride I have left, don't worry the second that I find the picture or give up trying to find I will post it. And if I don't find it, you guys can throw all the dirt in the hole that RW said I was digging, and I'll be in the hole till tomorrow
Mattlures Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Fathom I believe I have read that fals info before to. Its wrong. The fish here in So Cal are heaviest durring prespawn and spawn. The fish here in So Cal are the biggest bass in the world. Look at the dates and locations of the biggest bass ever caught. Rank Pounds Location State Angler Date 1 22.25 Montgomery Lake Georgia George Perry 6/2/32 2 22.01 Lake Castaic California Bob Crupi 3/12/91 3 21.75 Lake Castaic California Mike Arujo 3/5/91 4 21.70 Dixon Reservoir California Jed Dickerson 5/31/03 5 21.19 Lake Casitas California Ray Easley 3/4/80 6 21.01 Lake Castaic California Bob Crupi 3/9/90 7 20.94 Lake Miramar California David Zimerlee 6/23/73 8 20.86 Lake Castaic California Leo Torres 2/4/90 9 20.75 Dixon Reservoir California Mike Long 4/27/01 10 20.25 Lake Hodges California Gene Dupras 5/30/85 10 20.25 Lake Miramar California Johnny Garduno 3/25/90 12 20.13 Big Fish Lake Florida Fritz Friebel May 1923 13 19.88 Dixon Reservoir California Mike Long 2004 14 19.63 Lake Baccarac Mexico Bruce Knutsen 1/17/93 15 19.50 Lake Miramar California Keith Gunsauls 3/7/88 15 19.50 Lake Casitas California Randy Crabtree 4/9/02 15 19.50 Dixon Reservoir California Mac Weakley 5/20/03 18 19.40 Ikehara Dam Japan Kazuya Shimada 4/22/03 19 19.25 Lake Miramar California Chris Brandt 3/22/98 20 19.19 Lake Wohlford California Steve Beasley 2/3/86 20 19.19 Lake Morena California Ardon Hanline 2/17/87 22 19.06 Lake Miramar California Sandy DeFresco 3/14/88 23 19.04 Lake Castaic California Danny Kadota 1/8/89 24 19.03 Success Lake California Larry Kerns 1/27/01 25 19.00 Lake Tarpon Florida Riley Witt 6/21/61 26 18.94 Lake Isabella California Keith Harper April 1984 27 18.86 Lake Castaic California Danny Kadota 2/12/88 28 18.81 St. Johns River Florida Buddy Wright 4/12/87 28 18.81 Lake Isabella California Joe Weaver Feb. 1984 30 18.75 Lower Otay Lake California Bob Eberly 3/9/80 30 18.75 San Vicente Lake California James Steurgeon 2/26/81 30 18.75 Lake Castaic California Manny Arujo 1/25/91 30 18.75 Lake Kaweah California Nai Seathan 3/15/01 34 18.70 San Pablo California Victor Barfield 3/22/01 35 18.69 Lake Casitas California Bill Beckum 1/15/80 36 18.63 San Vicente California Doug Crandall 1979 37 18.62 Delta California Galen Jensen 2/10/02 38 18.56 San Vicente California Bobby Sandberg 1976 38 18.56 Lake Castaic California Bob Crupi 1/27/92 38 18.56 Don Pedro California Rod Martin 4/9/03 41 18.55 Lake Murray California Mike Long Dec. 2001 42 18.25 Dixon Reservoir California Mike Long 2004 42 18.25 Lower Otay California Unknown March 1980 44 18.18 Lake Fork Texas Barry St. Clair 1/24/92 45 18.15 Natchez State Park Mississippi Unknown 12/31/92 46 18.13 Dixon Reservoir California Mike Long 2003 46 18.13 Lake Poway California Mike Long 2002 48 18.10 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1998 48 18.10 Lake Murray California Mike Long Feb. 1999 50 18.00 Lake Perris California Will Steel 12/29/02 50 18.00 San Pablo California Rob Belloni 5/3/03 50 18.00 Lake Murray California Mike Long 2000 50 18.00 Mission Viejo California Mike Long 2002 54 17.95 Lake Murray California Mike Long March 1999 55 17.75 San Vicente California Unknown March, 1982 56 17.69 Lake Hodges California Unknown March, 1985 57 17.67 Lake Fork Texas Mark Stevenson 11/26/86 58 17.64 Lake Fork Texas Stan Moss 4/1/89 59 17.63 Lake Fork Texas Jerry New 8/28/90 60 17.50 Lake Poway California Mike Long 2000 60 17.50 Lake Poway California Mike Long 2001 60 17.50 San Vicente California Unknown March, 1979 63 17.25 Dixon Reservoir California Mike Long 2003 63 17.25 Lake Hodges California Unknown March, 1985 63 17.25 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1999 66 17.19 Lower Otay California Unknown Jan. 1985 67 17.13 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1998 67 17.13 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1999 69 17.11 Lake Murray California Mike Long March 1999 70 17.08 Lake Fork Texas Troy Coates 2/26/91 71 17.06 Lake Miramar California Mike Long 2000 71 17.06 San Vicente California Unknown Feb. 1979 73 17.05 Lake Murray California Mike Long March 2000 74 16.89 Lake Fork Texas Bryan Turner 2/8/93 75 16.88 Lower Otay California Unknown Feb. 1981 76 16.75 Lake Fork Texas Steve Trepkus 3/8/90 77 16.63 Lake Fork Texas Flo O'Brien 2/28/99 77 16.63 Lake Poway California Mike Long 2000 77 16.63 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1999 80 16.56 San Vicente California Unknown Jan. 1980 81 16.54 Lake Fork Texas Bill Reed 2/27/91 82 16.50 San Vicente California Unknown May, 1981 83 16.45 Lake Murray California Mike Long March, 2001 84 16.44 Lake Fork Texas Chris Adams 3/10/96 84 16.44 Lake Miramar California Unknown April 1973 86 16.41 Lake Murray California Mike Long March 2000 87 16.38 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1999 88 16.25 Lower Otay California Unknown Feb. 1982 88 16.25 San Vicente California Unknown Nov. 1979 88 16.25 San Vicente California Unknown March 1982 88 16.25 Sutherland California Mike Long April 2001 92 16.19 San Vicente California Unknown Jan. 1979 92 16.19 San Vicente California Unknown March 1981 94 16.13 Gibbons Creek Texas Troy Johnson 1/15/88 94 16.13 Sutherland California Unknown April 1989 94 16.13 Lake Poway California Mike Long 2000 97 16.12 Lake Fork Texas Jim Harrell 3/22/02 98 16.06 Lake Fork Texas Tom Hallum 3/9/88 98 16.06 Lake Hodges California Unknown April 1985 100 16.04 Lake Fork Texas Gasper Cardinale 2/29/92 101 16.02 Possum Kingdom Texas Scott Tongate 10/13/89 102 16.01 Caddo Texas John Merck 4/13/92 102 16.00 Cuyamaca California Mike Long 2002 102 16.00 Lake Poway California Mike Long 2002 102 16.00 Lake Poway California Mike Long 1999 102 16.00 Mission Viejo California Mike Long 2001 Now this list is a little outdated. It is missing the last few years but its way more current then any of the old lists.
Mattlures Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Mike Long has since caught about 5 more that would be on that list. I would realy like to see a current one.
Super User 5bass Posted January 9, 2009 Super User Posted January 9, 2009 And if I don't find it, you guys can throw all the dirt in the hole that RW said I was digging, and I'll be in the hole Did you lose it? I didn't know you could lose something you never had. Everybody get your shovels ready!
Daniel A. Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 OK listen there will be a pic as soon as I get it. stay with me THE PICTURE IS COMING ...and the hunt for the picture is on. I'm going to start a topic tomorrow that will tell you just whats going with trying to find the picture. I was under the impression from your previous statement you were acquiring the pic from someone. Now, you're hunting for it? I'm not sure how you couldn't expect us to question the validity of your claim.
Super User Catt Posted January 9, 2009 Super User Posted January 9, 2009 actually, there is evidence to suggest bass are heavier in fall than prespawn. There is absolutely on data supporting this claim since the addition weight of roe (eggs) during pre-spawn/spawn could never be overcome simply by eating. I firmly believe the window of opportunity for anyone wishing to catch a double digit or world record bass is greater during pre-spawn because the bass are in a feeding mode. Once bass are on the nest they become very hard to catch and on lakes in Texas when the bass are on the nest it is usually so far back in the buck brush you can't even get close enough to even flip to it.
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