Mattlures Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 A big trophy largemouth is one of the most difficult freshwater fish to land. Why? not because they fight harder then a smallmouth or a spot. Not because they make long strong runs like a carp or not because they can thump and cirlce like a gill. A big trophy LMB is the best fighter because they are the SMARTEST fighters. I have caught a 20lb carp on 4lb test. I have caught big teen cats on 6 and 8 lb test. I have caught 2lb gills on 4lb test. I have caught many big ocean fish on light line. How many LMB over 10lbs do you think I have caught on light line? None. I loose every time. I have even been straightened and snapped on 20lb test. Big old smart LMB may not have a ton of endurance but they make up for it with technique. The instinctively head for cover. They jump and throw baits, the surge at just the right moment. I believe they are possibly the hardest 10lb class fish to land. They find a way to get away. Think about it. How many big bass have you guys lost? I bet you all have a story. Now to be fair I have never caught a smallie but they dont look difficult to land. From what I have seen they kind fight like a big bluegill. Tons of energy but not soo smart. Alright smallie guys chew on that!!! ;D Oh yeah this only referres to big old smart LMB. The little ones are easy Quote
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 I get your point Matt but let's not get carried away, the LM still has a single digit IQ We got 'em beat by a few points (With the exclusion of Burley) Quote
Super User islandbass Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 You may very well have a point and there is truth in what you say, or at the very least, my experiences in the challenge of catching LMB over SMB concur with yours that LMB are far tougher to catch, let alone coax to bite. I would be more inclined to believe that the word finicky (as in most finicky vs. smartest) would be more descript. One local lake I fish has a big bass who is pushing the 8.5 - 9 lb mark. This is about as big as LMB are going to get in my area. She is perhaps my greatest source of LMB frustration, test of patience, skill and wits. I have only been able to hook into her thrice and loss all bouts in a span of 4 seasons. I have not even seen her at all this season. :'( When I say to folks that smallies fight better, I quantify it by saying pound for pound they fight the hardest. You mention that you have yet to catch a smallie. You will most likely reconsider when you do. Pound for pound, their fight is unreal. Even the dinks don't quit. I am also proud to say that I have never ever lost a battle with a 10+ lb. LMB ever in my life. I have a clean perfect record there. Just don't tell anybody that it's perfect because I have never fought a bass that big! ;D Quote
Mattlures Posted September 28, 2008 Author Posted September 28, 2008 I am just having a little fun I know I will get flammed Ha Ha. Honestly when ever I see guys comparing the fighting abilites of fish the LMB is always ranked lower then the fish with more stamina or strengh. However those same fish are easier to land then the lowly LMB. (again only reffering to BIG LMB) PS I have also caught bone fish and Bonito wich NEVER give up and LB for LB they may be the hardest fighting fish. However I have caught both species over 5lbs on ultralight gear and the outcome was never in doubt. Quote
Super User Catt Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Oh Matt you gave in to soon I think it depends on the individual fish, I've had 3 pound largemouth bass on Toledo Bend put me on my knees when caught in 15' plus. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Oh Matt you gave in to soon I think it depends on the individual fish, I've had 3 pound largemouth bass on Toledo Bend put me on my knees when caught in 15' plus. AAHHH YOU BIG SISSY Quote
Super User Dan: Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Have you ever had a LMB jump completely out of the water at full speed 4 different times during a fight? I never have. I agree with you to an extent about the running to cover part, but smallies are just much stronger, athletic, and acrobatic. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Sorry captin the best fighters I have dealt with are in slat water BLUEFISH! 8-) Quote
GRIZZ Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Knew you were kidding when you said you "never caught a smallie" Quote
fivesixone Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 I've never caught a smallie either, but have any of y'all ever fought with a Peacock!? 8-) Quote
Super User Muddy Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 I don't know maybe it's just me but they do not look too challanging to me Quote
ptomacbass Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 peacocks fight hard especiallly when they flare their feathers Quote
senko_77 Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Have you ever had a LMB jump completely out of the water at full speed 4 different times during a fight? I never have. I agree with you to an extent about the running to cover part, but smallies are just much stronger, athletic, and acrobatic. You have a good point, but you don't see smallies come unbuttoned as much when they jump, even though they jump more often. Big largemouth head shake and it makes the hole where the hook point entered get bigger, making the hook just slide out. When the smallie jumps, there's not much head shake. Hope I worded that right. Quote
guitarkid Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 peacocks fight hard especiallly when they flare their feathers -tumnus Quote
Super User Dan: Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Have you ever had a LMB jump completely out of the water at full speed 4 different times during a fight? I never have. I agree with you to an extent about the running to cover part, but smallies are just much stronger, athletic, and acrobatic. You have a good point, but you don't see smallies come unbuttoned as much when they jump, even though they jump more often. Big largemouth head shake and it makes the hole where the hook point entered get bigger, making the hook just slide out. When the smallie jumps, there's not much head shake. Hope I worded that right. Yeah, I understand. That's a good point, probably something to do with the smaller mouths not allowing a bait to jostle around as much or get clearance to shake free also. I still think that the jumps and the speed make smallmouths a better fight. Quote
SuskyDude Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Have you ever had a LMB jump completely out of the water at full speed 4 different times during a fight? I never have. I agree with you to an extent about the running to cover part, but smallies are just much stronger, athletic, and acrobatic. You have a good point, but you don't see smallies come unbuttoned as much when they jump, even though they jump more often. Big largemouth head shake and it makes the hole where the hook point entered get bigger, making the hook just slide out. When the smallie jumps, there's not much head shake. Hope I worded that right. Really? I never have problems with LM throwing the hook on the jump, but there are days when the smallies can do it at will. If smallies grew 15-20 lbs, there would be no reason to fish for LM. Period. Could you imagine the fight of a 20 pound SM? The same athletiscism of a 4 pounder in a 20 pound body? LM would be looking for a new job! ;D Quote
=Matt 5.0= Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Pound for pound I'll take an Atlantic Bluefish or Albacore anyday. 8-) Quote
Super User Catt Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 I don't know y'all ever tie into a Cobia (Ling) Quote
Super User fourbizz Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 big largemouth dont make it to the boat. they are mean hateful creatures. salmon in moving water gets my vote for hardest fighting fish, as long as they are still silver Quote
avid Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 At first read ofthe title I was going to strongly disagree. Then I read the body of the post, and Hmmmmmmmmmmm you may have something here. Yes, smallies are way harder fighters, but smarter?????? No, I don't think so. I believe I have hooked into several 10 plus pounder LMB's and landed nary a one. They zig and zag, know exactly where the nearest tangle of cover is and run for it like a bullet...When all else fails they race toward the boat and get the slack they need. Yeah, yeah,,,that's right...they is the smartest. Quote
Pigsticker Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 I agree that LM are the best fighters, Great post Matt But also LM definitely have home field advantage, they are usually in the toughest cover or with thick stuff nearby, Smallmouths are usually in light to no cover, amount of time of fight does not always translates to best fighting Just because LM are shorter fighters doesnt mean they are not good fighters. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Ok Matt, I'll play along...Big largemouth bass, 10+, fight great for nearly ten seconds for you guys in Kalifornia. Unless of course, you are fishing a topwater swimbait! The best fighting green trout are 6-8 lbs, after that they're too lazy to care! 8-) Quote
Super User fourbizz Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Unless of course, you are fishing a topwater swimbait! :-? Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted September 28, 2008 Super User Posted September 28, 2008 Oops...Terminology? How 'bout "wake bait"? I meant that since you already have them on plane, just drag 'em in! : Quote
Pigsticker Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 I think i saw a picture of Fourbizz with a bent heavy wire treble hook around a 4/0 from a LM Hey Fourbizz was that LM a good fight? Quote
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