Big time mistake..........stupid stupid stupid

[SPEEDBEAD.]

Next time I will go back to my Palomar, even if it is hard to get it the loop through the eye. Not going to make the same mistake twice.

Some really great advice that I read here regarding the palomar knot is to put the end of the line through the eye and then put it back through the eye to create your loop. This way you don't have to force the folded line through a small eye.

I never used the palomar before that because I hated trying to get the loop started. After reading that simple piece of advice the palomar is MUCH easier now.

Good call on the knot. That is the only way I can ever tie a palomar.  I have never gotten the loop to go through.

Also, if you are using fluoro, pushing the loop through the eye could cause it to kink and weaken.

Wayne

[Davis]

Next time I will go back to my Palomar, even if it is hard to get it the loop through the eye. Not going to make the same mistake twice.

Some really great advice that I read here regarding the palomar knot is to put the end of the line through the eye and then put it back through the eye to create your loop. This way you don't have to force the folded line through a small eye.

I never used the palomar before that because I hated trying to get the loop started. After reading that simple piece of advice the palomar is MUCH easier now.

Good call on the knot. That is the only way I can ever tie a palomar. I have never gotten the loop to go through.

Also, if you are using fluoro, pushing the loop through the eye could cause it to kink and weaken.

Wayne

It could but it never has for me. Going to stick with what works.  ;D

I always wet it down before putting the loop through. Seems to help.

[roadwarrior]

There is no reason to put a loop through the eye of the lure. Thread the line through, create a loop and thread the line back through. Don't try to be so frugal, either. Using a little extra line saves time and allows you a more flexibility in tying the perfect knot. Wet the knot before tightening and pull with the tag line, not the main line.

[Davis]

There is no reason to put a loop through the eye of the lure. Thread the line through, create a loop and thread the line back through. Don't try to be so frugal, either. Using a little extra line saves time and allows you a more flexibility in tying the perfect knot. Wet the knot before tightening and pull with the tag line, not the main line.

I use a ton of extra line.

Been brought up tying my knots with the loop through the eye though RW. Never failed me so why change my style?

[roadwarrior]

It's easier and you create EXACTLY the same result (loop).

[Davis]

It's easier and you create EXACTLY the same result (loop).

I'll try it out. I can usually get the loop in the first time I try.

I'm one of those people that have to have something in front of me to get the visual.

Kind of like a keyboard. I can type fast as all heck but you ask me where one of the letters is and I can't tell ya.  

Ask me to tell you how to tie a palomar and I can't do it. Have to have it in front of me.

[Davis]

It's easier and you create EXACTLY the same result (loop).

OMG I just got the mental on how to do it ha ha ha ha.

Yeah I think I will go your route.............Why I never thought of that before is unreal to me.

Yes I am an idiot.   ;D

Wow.......

[Tin]

 Guess what ---- happens and there is nothing you can do about it sometimes. If you know or now know that you did something wrong, just learn from it and dont let it happen again. Thats all you can do, dont loose sleep over it or let it haunt you.

Unless it something that happened to Aaron Martens in Pittsburgh or Wylie or Lay.

[tyrius.]

OMG I just got the mental on how to do it ha ha ha ha.

Yeah I think I will go your route.............Why I never thought of that before is unreal to me.

Yes I am an idiot. ;D

Wow.......

That was my exact reaction!  It's amazing how one can do things the hard way for so long and never realize that an easier method exists.

[slomoe]

I think Im going to start using this knot. I've been using the improved clinch but I think I'm wrapping the line too hard and when I go to tighten it I notice all kinds of kinks above the knot.

Are there any knots you use that are specific for a certain lure or is one pretty much universal for all lures?

[roadwarrior]

Yes, especcially for BIG lures: Uni Knot, Trilene Knot and San Diego Jam.

(If you analyze them closely, they are fundamentally the same knot!)

[5bass]

Want a challenge tying a Palomar knot? Try doing it with only one hand. I saw one of the pros do it and it took me about 2 weeks to get the hang of it.

[Fish Chris]

I tie "lots" of lousy knots, probably every 3rd or 4th one, but the key is, I never tie a bad knot, and not recognize it as such right away ! And those are the ones that never get wet ! Instead, I just tie another one... and another, if neccessary, until I get one that cinches down, clean, pretty, easily, and fully. And when they do come out like this, they just flat out won't ever break on a fish.

This goes for all of my knots. Improved clinches, palomars, and bloodknots make up 99% of them.

Peace,

Fish

[Guest avid]

lazy and stupid has lost more fish than all other reasons combined.

Not that I would know............

[islandbass]

There is no reason to put a loop through the eye of the lure. Thread the line through, create a loop and thread the line back through. Don't try to be so frugal, either. Using a little extra line saves time and allows you a more flexibility in tying the perfect knot. Wet the knot before tightening and pull with the tag line, not the main line.

Wohhh! I didn't know that some people thought of feeding a loop through the hook's eye to start the Palomar.   Try that with a size 2 drop shot hook.  ;D

Anyway, Davis, did you mention what line you were using.  It has been my experience that when using the Improved Clinch knot, it can slip with braid.

I use the palomar and IC knot probably 99% of the time. I have never lost a fish due to knot failure.  I am sure a little practice with the IC knot will solve that.  I use the IC over the palomar when tying things like minnow baits and crankbaits.  Making a loop with the palomar to accomodate (and waste) line isn't practical for me in those cases so I use the IC knot or the Trilene knot if I feel like it.  

Good advice was given about when the fish pull the drag. Barring them heading for heavy cover, there should not be a need to horse a fish taking drag. Sorry about the loss but there is always next time.

[dodgeguy]

lazy and stupid has lost more fish than all other reasons combined.

Not that I would know............

i would!!!ROFLMAO!!! ;D

[Davis]

There is no reason to put a loop through the eye of the lure. Thread the line through, create a loop and thread the line back through. Don't try to be so frugal, either. Using a little extra line saves time and allows you a more flexibility in tying the perfect knot. Wet the knot before tightening and pull with the tag line, not the main line.

Wohhh! I didn't know that some people thought of feeding a loop through the hook's eye to start the Palomar. Try that with a size 2 drop shot hook. ;D

Anyway, Davis, did you mention what line you were using. It has been my experience that when using the Improved Clinch knot, it can slip with braid.

I use the palomar and IC knot probably 99% of the time. I have never lost a fish due to knot failure. I am sure a little practice with the IC knot will solve that. I use the IC over the palomar when tying things like minnow baits and crankbaits. Making a loop with the palomar to accomodate (and waste) line isn't practical for me in those cases so I use the IC knot or the Trilene knot if I feel like it.

Good advice was given about when the fish pull the drag. Barring them heading for heavy cover, there should not be a need to horse a fish taking drag. Sorry about the loss but there is always next time.

Actually lol I'm able to get a loop through a #8 octopus hook. Pretty good at it lol but threading one line at a time in makes so much more sense. Thanks RW lol.

I have been using nothign but Fluoro and Mono. I don't use braid.

[uncle joe]

I fish a large point on my home lake that I have seen several 5#+ fish cruising the shallow water near a sea wall, the water drops fast to 20 ft and is prime lunker teritory.  Everytime I pass this spot I do my best to present what I think is a perfect presentation and sometimes I get hit and other times I don't. I have on several occassions hooked what feels like a very good fish only to loose it due to a dumb mistake. It either jumps and throws the bait or wraps me around a dock piling and breaks off. (easy since I fish almost totaly with UL and 4# test line. In the past 2 months I have taken great care in being careful to stay clear of dock pilings as best I can and try to keep the fish turned the way I want him and have boated several 5 and 6 lb. fish at this spot, even hooked the same fish 2X the same day. He broke my line while I was fishing a watermellon finnesse worm in the morning and I hooked and boated him 4 hours later on a 4" Senco and he still had the finnesse worm and hook in his mouth. Just keep trying and consider it the fishes challenge to you to catch him.