RobDar Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 has anyone else noticed this... Red Cajun line is said to disappear in 3 feet of water because the color red disappears underwater.. and yet everyone makes red hooks, weights, and red marked lures they say improve strikes etc... so if red disappears under 3 feet of water...what good do the red hooks etc do? isnt this a contradiction? or am I missing something here? Quote
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing vs research vs who cares, as long as they work There are many contradictory claims and explanations for things out there. The majority are guesses or personal opinions. Quote
llPa1nll Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 I know one thing when I was fishing a local river 100yards of red Cajun 12lb test didnt want too disappear from the prop of my Trolling Motor any too quickly thats for sure... Quote
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 I know one thing when I was fishing a local river 100yards of red Cajun 12lb test didnt want too disappear from the prop of my Trolling Motor any too quickly thats for sure... LMAO,.... ;D Quote
Gorgebassman Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 I read a article on this very subject awhile back and the way it was explained was the diffrence between the line and the hooks is the diffrence between a glass window and a mirror. The red line is somewhat transparent where as the hooks are reflective. So that is why the line will dissapear and the red hooks are an attractant. So the article said. Quote
squid Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 I don't know about the glass and the mirror thing. The line lets light through...the hook does not....sometimes the simple things are the hard ones...good luck with your search for the correct answer...lol Quote
bubbler Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 wow totaly dajavu. my friend and i were talking about this just the other day andwe coldnt think it out. great mins think alike...... 8-) Quote
Super User Long Mike Posted July 28, 2007 Super User Posted July 28, 2007 I'm absolutely positive that red hooks could, under certain conditions, be productive. On the other hand, under certain conditions, they may not be productive. I'm absolutely positive about this. ;D Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 28, 2007 Super User Posted July 28, 2007 All I know is that I have better luck on Toledo Bend when the bait I'm using has red in it. Quote
blackrose55x Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 I was also very confused on this and i just figured that the diameter of the line was small enough that the fish could not see it but the diameter of the hooks was too big for the fish not to see. After all they do have great eyesight compared to us... I also had this discussion the otherday! But O-well just a thought! Quote
RobDar Posted July 28, 2007 Author Posted July 28, 2007 All I know is that I have better luck on Toledo Bend when the bait I'm using has red in it. ...and I suppose that this is very possible that, for some reason probably related to local forage, red has an effect in certian places... BUT... I wonder if it is possible that the success with red is as much YOU as the bait. Could it be that you fish the red baits with more confidence and thus effect your presentation slightly? I really dont know...and am just asking...this is one of those mind boggles that keep me awake the night before a tournament! LOL! Quote
RobDar Posted July 28, 2007 Author Posted July 28, 2007 I was also very confused on this and i just figured that the diameter of the line was small enough that the fish could not see it but the diameter of the hooks was too big for the fish not to see. After all they do have great eyesight compared to us... I also had this discussion the otherday! But O-well just a thought! ...this is a good possibility blackrose... with all this talk I can feel a winter science project coming on! LOL!!!! Quote
dgquail Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 I use red hooks nearly 100% of the time, when I am texas rigging or C-rigging plastics, and also have changed out a majority of my crankbaits to red hooks and am catching fish. Also, why have Manns Jellyworm colored Strawberry been so successful or the plastic lures of today is "Red Shad" ?? Quote
kms399 Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 ha i posed that same question to the rep at gander mountain. he didn't have an answer ;D Quote
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted July 28, 2007 Super User Posted July 28, 2007 I have GREAT success using red hooks on light colored Lures ... Quote
links_man2 Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 The following was Doug Hannon's response to this question: Quote: "is red line like Cajun red cast really less visible to fish than regular low vis green mono? " Many gamefish have a heightened sensitivity to the color red. It is the only color known to increase the strike reflex in fish, and, as such, has a place in lure presentation. I don't buy that it would be good in a line color, because typically we do not want the line to be noticed. The fact that it disappears at depth does not mean it is rendered invisible. The red is simply replaced with black. I would favor pale green as the least visible line. Doug Hannon Think the key point is that unlike what they advertise, it does not "disappear", it simply get black. Probably same thing with red hooks. Quote
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 Let's go the forensic route,...... What do we think and what do we know? I KNOW I catch with red hooks I KNOW I catch with black nickel and also gold hooks I KNOW I can duplicate these results again. I THINK some things get too much thought. Quote
Super User David P Posted July 28, 2007 Super User Posted July 28, 2007 Wouldn't you want a hook to not be seen? If red does disappear, isn't that a good thing? Red hooks would mean no visible hooks ;D Quote
KevO Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 The red line is opake meaning sunlight can go through it, the hooks are made of metal and reflect or refract (take your pick) so it does not disappear. I tried that line and I didnt like it, it twisted and tangled to easy. Quote
George Welcome Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 "After all they do have great eyesight compared to us..." Who says? Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 29, 2007 Super User Posted July 29, 2007 I'm not aware of any shad that are red in color? Anyone who knows anything about Toledo Bend knows your bait better have red in it. Red shad, red bug, watermelon neon, green pumpkin red, black neon, crawfish cranks, red Rat-L-Traps, even your shad colored hard baits better have a red belly. Why it works I haven't a clue but what I do know is it works and I throw it Quote
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