Super User senile1 Posted May 22, 2007 Super User Posted May 22, 2007 I believe in bag limits and following the laws. I also believe in catch & release but selective harvest is necessary at times. So out of respect for your quarry when selective harvest is practiced for the good of a game population, you should eat what you kill and not waste it. These conservation ethics have existed for some time. My reason for playing the devil's advocate on an earlier post is because none of us know the full story here. These guys may be eating nearly everyone of these fish. Appearances can sometimes be deceiving. I have a hard time with 16 people killing 1400 carp though. They averaged 87 dead fish per person. I don't know if there is a good explanation for that. Maybe they're going to freeze them and send them to starving children in Darfur. : If something like that were the case, I would applaud them. Quote
Bassboy15 Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 I think it is wrong to do just for fun...but as a food source this should be fine...still dont think all those pics are right though.. :-? Quote
Super User David P Posted May 22, 2007 Author Super User Posted May 22, 2007 I think it is wrong to do just for fun...but as a food source this should be fine...still dont think all those pics are right though.. :-? Who needs 1400 POUNDS OF CARP. I think it's gone way past food, and into just killing to kill.. Go kill carp in over populated waters and eat them or do whatever, but don't kill bass like that. Use some skill and brains and try and hook one with a rod and reel. Quote
Pond Hopper Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 What if these people were killing these fish to take to the fish market, I know of a local market that pays around 40 cents per pound. That wouldnt be a bad day of bowfishing or spearfishing. From what a guy at the fish market said most of those fish go to make the fish sticks so many of you enjoy. Quote
Nicky Greece Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 You are disturbed by what is legal in the state of Utah. Gotta agree with George here. Am curious to know what the bass FISHERmen in Utah think of the practice. Anyone....Anyone?? Quote
youngangler13 Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 its funny how they call it fishing it isnt fishing its spear hunting it has nothing to d with fishing fishing is taking a rod and a reel and hooking a fish. they also call the the fish they kill (thier catch) its not a catch its a kill . they need to keep there own sport away from ours Quote
Cajun1977 Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 You are disturbed by what is legal in the state of Utah. Gotta agree with George here. Am curious to know what the bass FISHERmen in Utah think of the practice. Anyone....Anyone?? im in utah but im not sure i understand your question.. and by the way i have never heard about these guys Quote
linesider7 Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Yeah, I don't like to see that bass. There are a lot of guys that go over to the bahamas from fl to go spearfishing. It's legal over there (as far as I know), and I'm sure that they eat it all. A lot of the offshore fisherman here don't particularly care for them, same reasons as stated here. I like the argument regarding the fish market, good point. Really got me thinking about my local lake, entire west bank is flooded w/ gar. Almost makes me think that they could be thinned out a little, how does bowfishing in this instance make you guys feel? Think of all the bass fry the gar are eating, they're all over the bass beds... Quote
fishingfourfun Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Being both a hunter and fisherman I have no problem with spearfishing. With that said I also believe you should only kill what you are willing and able to eat. While fishing I use catch and release unless someone with me wants to eat the fish I catch. All things should be done in "moderation". Quote
llPa1nll Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Personally if its within the law it doesnt bother me at all. I personally wouldnt do it but thats me. Playing devils advocate though what if the Utah DNR has no limits on carp or limits when spear fishing? What if they deemed that these fish are now in an over population status and need to be thinned out? Something similar to this happened in my state a few years ago. There were no limits on panfish (Sunfish and Perch)in my state 5 yrs ago. Some people were coming into our waters and literally catching 50 gal barrels full of fish everyday and selling it for other purposes than eating, day after day this went on. The state became aware of it and now has a limit of 50 panfish per day. Quote
Pond-Pro Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Ok spearing bass is just wrong...... Those were some huge bass that those guys speared!!! I have no problem with them spearing carp; but bass and muskie, COME ON!!!!! Quote
Super User burleytog Posted May 23, 2007 Super User Posted May 23, 2007 Some very eye-opening responses here... Quote
jomatty Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 man those bass look so fat and healthy i really hope they were not shot during the spawn. i doubt these guys would have a problem with shooting them right off of the beds but if so that really bothers me. spear fishing in general sounds like fun to me. i would never do it for bass, or for any fresh water fish for that matter, but i would love to go diving in the ocean and spear fish for dinner. ive seen it some on tv and it looks like a lot of fun. Quote
Super User T-rig Posted May 23, 2007 Super User Posted May 23, 2007 man those bass look so fat and healthy i really hope they were not shot during the spawn. i doubt these guys would have a problem with shooting them right off of the beds but if so that really bothers me. spear fishing in general sounds like fun to me. i would never do it for bass, or for any fresh water fish for that matter, but i would love to go diving in the ocean and spear fish for dinner. ive seen it some on tv and it looks like a lot of fun. Those bass were definately killed just before the spawn! You can see that those are big females full off spawn. That's a shame! Quote
New Bass Man Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 The pictures are very disgusting! What's more upsetting to me is that some of these people were awarded state records. For what! The fish had no chance. So a diver can go search out where the man in Califormia returned a 25 lb bass and go kill it, and then he'll have the record? That's not fair to any fisherman. Quote
snapperd1 Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 I don't have a problem with the spearing of any of the fish if they are legal game. Spear fishing can be a lot more selective then rod and reel. I can choose what I shoot and what I don't. Rod and reel I can not choose the fish that bites the line. Also how many bass fishermen here have skin mounts on their walls? I don't I will not kill a bass to have a trophy on the wall but I don't mind if you do. Around the areas I fish many fishermen will throw pickerel on the bank because they find them a nusence fish. I take more offence to this then 1400 lbs of dead carp. I am pretty certain they are with in the legal limits for their state if not forward the web site to the states DNR. How mant fisherman fill coolers with crappies each year to fertilize their gardens. As long as the rules are followed to each his own. From Utah DNR Underwater spearfishing Utah Admin. Code R657-13-9 You can underwater spearfish for game fish at Causey, Deer Creek, Fish Lake, Flaming Gorge, Joe's Valley, Ken's Lake, Lake Powell, Lost Creek, Red Fleet, Steinaker, Starvation and Willard Bay reservoirs from June 1 through September 30, 2007. These are the only waters in Utah where underwater spearfishing for game fish is allowed. Nongame fish also may be taken by spearfishing in these waters and as provided in the Taking Nongame Fish section of this guide (please see page 11). The underwater spearfishing bag and possession limit is two game fish. No more than one of those fish can be longer than 20 inches unless you're fishing at Flaming Gorge Reservoir, where you can take one lake trout (mackinaw) longer than 28 inches. Please see the Rules for Specific Waters section of this guide for more exceptions to these general underwater spearfishing rules. In addition, you can underwater spearfish for carp and striped bass at Lake Powell year round. Please see the Rules for Specific Waters, Lake Powell section of this guide for more information. You may underwater spearfish from official sunrise to official sunset. You may not use artificial light to underwater spearfish. You can underwater spearfish for carp in any water that has an open fishing season. You may not underwater spearfish for carp if the fishing season at that water is closed, however. Nongame Species NO LIMIT http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/proclamations/2007_fishing/2007_fishing.pdf TD Quote
Guest avid Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Wow, Passions are running pretty high on this one. I have an opinion, but I'm not going to express it at this time. I want to bring up some "food for thought" that I think is something we all need to consider when bashing ANY hunter, or angler who is operating legally. The anti's like PETA see NO difference between hunting and fishing. To them it is all cruelty to animals and they want it all banned. (See fishinhurts.org) I think it is vital for every outdoorsman to support each others activities regardless of whether or not we choose to engage in that practice ourselves. "Divide and Conquer" is as old and true as it was in Ceasers day as it is now. If we start to say that "Our" form of blood sport is "Good" But "their" form is "Bad" then we play into the hands of those who would have us all banned. Quote
Replica. Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Here is a Wisconsin bowfishing site with some good information about rough fish. http://www.wibfa.com/ Quote
flyphisher # Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 what Avid said.....Why spend time you could be fishing or reading about fishing or looking at nekkid chicks on the web, looking for this stuff to get your panites in a wad about.....If its legal, who cares..... Spear fishing aint as easy as yall think it is.... some of you think doing anything with fish other than w/ "approved lures on 6lb test is wrong, just beacuse you dont do it... How are carp any different than a snakehead????? I like catching carp on fly tackle but I am still going to invest in bow tackle because it looks fun and its nessasary pest control.... Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted May 23, 2007 Super User Posted May 23, 2007 what Avid said.....Why spend time you could be fishing or reading about fishing or looking at nekkid chicks on the web, looking for this stuff to get your panites in a wad about.....If its legal, who cares..... Spear fishing aint as easy as yall think it is.... some of you think doing anything with fish other than w/ "approved lures on 6lb test is wrong, just beacuse you dont do it... How are carp any different than a snakehead????? I like catching carp on fly tackle but I am still going to invest in bow tackle because it looks fun and its nessasary pest control.... I like your posts. I will put you on the list of people I need to have a beer with sometime....right along w/ Muddy (Soda) and Avid.... Quote
flyphisher # Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Speedbead, welcome to the minority....its an exclusive club.... ;D Quote
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