Super User Gatorbassman Posted May 27, 2006 Super User Posted May 27, 2006 OK I wasn't going to chime in on this one but what the heck. I live in Georgia. I love Georgia and I am proud of being a Georgian. But there are so many holes in Perry's story how can anyone believe it. I look at it this way. Greater than 22lbs 4oz is a great goal and will be a super fish. If that weight was impossible to beat than it would suck. But it isn't. We know that from this past year. Those of you that fish in lakes that hold bass of that caliber need to consider yourself lucky. Now get out there and catch that stinkin fish. Dot all your i's and cross all your t's so we can put this record to rest. It stinks that a record that has so many holes in it stands, but what was the record before that. Do we even know? Just focus on the number and beat it. Please Quote
Rattletrap Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 If ya can't prove or disprove it. Georgia's Perry still owns the WR. Lets break it using the IGFA requirements if someone can. All hail to Georgia's world record until then. Â ;D Quote
Mattlures Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 I dont disagree with you guys. It just kills me that twice now the record has been beaten but they did it wrong. Weakley IMO made no mistakes other that setting the hook a second late. Duclos on the other hand. All he had to do was keep the fish and have it certified. It just kills me! When Mike L breaks it evrything will be in order. For now 22.4 is still the mark to beat. Quote
janalon Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 If Perry was in the picture  I still do not think that would make everyone happy. You cannot catch a WR bass 75 years ago and expect everyone to believe it. We just said Weakly made no mistakes and turned around and said OUTLOUD PERRY IS NOT IN THE PICTURE. Was Weakly? Excuse me while I set the hook!. You can snag one in 2006 and NOT have your picture with it you are good to go. But really, check out the size of that Georgia Bass, I know it Georgia because it has a Georgia dorsal fin. If we are wonder where the California genes came from, it is not Levi! Quote
KenDammit28 Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 why get all bent out of shape over the thing, regardless? Â Thats what makes me laugh about all this world record talk. Â Some people act like they have direct personal ties to it and so forth. Â Its just a fishing record that is nothing more than a number. Â When someone beats it the right way, then there you go..a new record that I'm sure everyone will inevitably moan and groan about. Â Remember, ITS JUST A FISH...not hurting one person one single bit. Â To say that the record is not true because it happened so long ago, before the age of computers and internet and digital camera's and messageboards and so on is just as silly as someone saying the story is all true. Â Thats a hawg bass in that picture and we all know that its monstrous..so there we have it..now go out and catch YOUR world record and put some sunshine on your face. Quote
janalon Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 Actually the naysayers are backing themselves into a corner. Because, one day soon it will be broken and if it is in California, lets all shout in sync..... World record broken? WHAT RECORD!!??? Look at some of the old post on some of the other subject's about Perry's Bass.. Those that say, " I want to see a picture of the Bass" those same now want Perry in the picture. While the same people that demanded  a picture are now asking WHY THEY GOT IT!? The double and triple standards are like reading a cork board at the local hair saloon. But the mother of all battles has got to be the ones demanding that Perry be in the picture while supporting the Weakly Bass when Weakly is NOT? Read the old post, it's like the enquire! So... Where are the WMD's in Iraq, have you not heard, they are in jail!!! Quote
Super User KU_Bassmaster. Posted May 27, 2006 Super User Posted May 27, 2006 I see what you are saying, but there is no doubt that Mac Weakley "caught" the bass. Â There is eye witnesses and even video. Â I also think there is a pic with Weakley with the bass somwhere out there. Â It's just the one we are used to seeing is with his buddy. I always doubted whether THE BASS ever existed or not. Â Before I believed the WR about 10% or so. Â Now after this pic, it's more like 85%. Â There is still some holes in the story, but it's good enough for me to accept the record. Quote
Mattlures Posted May 27, 2006 Posted May 27, 2006 janalon, The problem with the picture is that nobody knows anything about it. Its not Perry in the pic. It did not come from his children or brothers or sisters. Someone found it. there is no history with it. Its just a picture of a very large bass. The editor of the magazine that printed it called it alleged and could not authenticate it. As for weakley not in the pic, clever retort! but that is a mute point because the fish was never submitted It was however wittnessed and videod, so there is no question to the fact that Mac caught it. Yes I know he foul hooked it. So Perr's ghost lives on. I am a nay sayer because lack off proof and I will remain one until reasonable proof is shown. If that happens I will admit I was wrong. I dodnt have a problem with doing that. I swear if that would have been Perry in the pic it would have been enough for me. It would have been reasonable proof. But it is not reasonable to find a picture witha huge bass in it and assume it was Perry with nothing else to go on other then the big fish. Like I said before it could have been a floater. They found a 24lber dead and took pics of it a few years agou out here. It could have been from another state. who knows? Quote
Super User KU_Bassmaster. Posted May 28, 2006 Super User Posted May 28, 2006 janalon, The problem with the picture is that nobody knows anything about it. Its not Perry in the pic. It did not come from his children or brothers or sisters. Someone found it. there is no history with it. Its just a picture of a very large bass. But it is not reasonable to find a picture witha huge bass in it and assume it was Perry with nothing else to go on other then the big fish. Like I said before it could have been a floater. They found a 24lber dead and took pics of it a few years agou out here. It could have been from another state. who knows? Actually they picture does have "some" history that relates back to Perry. Â The photo was found by Jerry Johnson when cleaning out his Aunt's things when she passed away. Â Research has shown that the Perry and Johnson familes are connected. (How?? .... the article doesn't say :-/) The palm trees in the back have also been identified today as to where Perry supposedly weighed the bass at the Helena Post office. Â The Palm Trees are still there today as well as the modernized Post Office. Quote
earthworm77 Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I think the interesting thing here is the IGFA's reluctance enact some type of standard for documentation for the earlier records. They should take the lead what several states have done in excluding or making unofficial records for fish that lack proper documentation standards. Floridas Fritz Friebel caught and held not only the Florida state record but the World Record with a 20lb + bass in the early part of the 1900's. Lack of documentation has excluded his catch as being the official record...it is on the books with an asterisk...as Perry's fish should be. There are several 20lb Florida fish that have suffered the same fate. In fact the Florida record in only 18+lbs. I know of bigger fish that people just don't feel the need to claim. What the heck is a Georgia dorsal fin? If that wasn't a joke, it was likely a Florida strain bass Perry allegedly caught. At least now we know it is just a matter of time that this hoax is wiped clean of the books. 2007 will likely see the record topple. The coincidence that this photo has appeared just after there was much light put on the record...is.....um....a coincidence??? lol....it's just more of the same scam that started in 1932. Review the facts: Perry- no photo of fish, no photo with him holding a fish bigger tham 13lbs....and we all saw that fish and know it was smaller Jack Page????? Who was this witness, where did he go and why was there no listing of him residing in Georgia when it was claimed he did? The B.A.S.S. lie detector test...Perry refused to take it. Perry extorting baits from Creek Chub claiming he would exchange a photo of the bass for them....never happened...cause there was no photo. I caught it on a wigglefish, um a shiner, um I meant a moss mouse....errr....uhh......what baits will I get for free????? . Either this guy was senile or a big liar. I'm going with #2 To his credit, Perry didn't start the ball rolling for the Record, the Magazine did. He also didn't really capitalize off of it so in a sense, why the big facade? Don't know. Holes, holes, holes.....this story should have been buried a long time ago. Sorry, just venting as this makes me crazy. Quote
KenDammit28 Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 janalon, The problem with the picture is that nobody knows anything about it. Its not Perry in the pic. It did not come from his children or brothers or sisters. Someone found it. there is no history with it. Its just a picture of a very large bass. The editor of the magazine that printed it called it alleged and could not authenticate it. As for weakley not in the pic, clever retort! but that is a mute point because the fish was never submitted It was however wittnessed and videod, so there is no question to the fact that Mac caught it. Yes I know he foul hooked it. So Perr's ghost lives on. I am a nay sayer because lack off proof and I will remain one until reasonable proof is shown. If that happens I will admit I was wrong. I dodnt have a problem with doing that. I swear if that would have been Perry in the pic it would have been enough for me. It would have been reasonable proof. But it is not reasonable to find a picture witha huge bass in it and assume it was Perry with nothing else to go on other then the big fish. Like I said before it could have been a floater. They found a 24lber dead and took pics of it a few years agou out here. It could have been from another state. who knows? really, what kind of "facts" are you going to get after 74 years? Â Acting like this is some guy that made millions off the fish and all that stuff just sounds dumb. Â What reason is there to be so adamently against this record? Â Why do you care so much? Â You're only going to believe what you're willing to accept..and from the sound of things, you don't accept that he caught the fish so you're basically asking for a one in a million chance to be proven wrong. Â Why would the family really lie about it? Â Or anyone else for that matter...they're not gonna gain anything from it. Â The length to which some people are going to discredit a silly record..its humorous. Quote
Mattlures Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Ken your wrong. I am not asking for 1 in a million. I am asking for reasonable proof. If that was Perry in that pic I would be a believer, period. If they can actualy authenticate that pic I will be undisided. I am not that stuborn. I do not have a problem admiting when I am wrong. Why do I care so much about the record? Good question. maybe because I know it exists right here in my lakes and I am obseesed with trying to catch it. I lost a fish two years ago that I estimate around 20lbs. It could have been 17 but it could have been bigger. I will never know. The record in in my mind each night before I go fishing in one of the lakes I know to have fish in that class. I target big bass its what I dream about. I am addicted KU the editor said his guess was as good as mine regaurding the pictures authenticity. Thats what he told me. So with that I still do not believe. reasonable proof is all I ask for. Quote
janalon Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Ken and Matt, it seems it may not have been Perry in the picture. I guess this means the record is not legit, I sure hope some one steps up and breakd the fake record soon. Maybe even with a fake striper. The problem I have with a record that is not legit is the poor soul that breaks it. I do agree with a lot of your selective enforcement. Adding our own standards to the catch of the world recored will keep it elusive until we catch it ourself. And that is an encourging thought is it not? Ken, if you hook that bass and land it, I will like so many others, we are the majority, you know? I will shake your hand and swear that Georgia will take take it back one day. Shake? You know if you SHAKE it and DON'T FAKE IT, MR. Bass will TAKE IT. Quote
janalon Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 The remark on the Georgia Dosal Fin was a joke. Us Floridians are safe and secure. Just make sure if you catch a WR bass...... Stamp it on the fin. Enquiring Bass fisherman not not only want to know, they insist. Quote
Rattletrap Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 All I know is, somebody is holding Georgia's WR bass in that photo. Ya wanted a photo. Ya got a photo. That's a huge bass. Yea, photos can be found later. How many cameras do think were around back then. Geez!!! I have found photos of my grandfather that I have never seen before. They said he was real all my life, but I never saw a picture of him. One day we found one of him. Somebody must have doctored the photo huh? Get real and break our record if you can. Later. Quote
Rattlinrogue Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I saw it ,and it looks as big as the one that got away in CA. Quote
earthworm77 Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I think Weakley's bass has deflated the record. It seems it is a matter of when, not if it will be broken. Who would have thought that a largemouth frame could even carry 25lbs. Quote
KenDammit28 Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Ken your wrong. I am not asking for 1 in a million. I am asking for reasonable proof. If that was Perry in that pic I would be a believer, period. If they can actualy authenticate that pic I will be undisided. I am not that stuborn. I do not have a problem admiting when I am wrong. Why do I care so much about the record? Good question. maybe because I know it exists right here in my lakes and I am obseesed with trying to catch it. I lost a fish two years ago that I estimate around 20lbs. It could have been 17 but it could have been bigger. I will never know. The record in in my mind each night before I go fishing in one of the lakes I know to have fish in that class. I target big bass its what I dream about. I am addicted KU the editor said his guess was as good as mine regaurding the pictures authenticity. Thats what he told me. So with that I still do not believe. reasonable proof is all I ask for. What am I wrong about? Â You're asking for "reasonable proof" for something that happened 74 years ago and has been talked about for the last 50 by everyone and their mother who fishes. Â What more are you going to learn? Â Theres a snowballs chance in hell that some evidence has lasted through that much time to "prove" to you that he actually caught that fish. Â I'm not trying to say you're a bad person or anything like that, just saying that its just a number that CAN be beaten and its one of the largest(and to me, entertaining) fish stories of all-time. Â I can't really see anything wrong with that. Â From my knowledge, all Perry received was a handful of lures from Creek Chub. Â Quite a far cry from the myriad of things probably going to be thrown the way of whoever sets the new record. Â All I'm really sayin though is this...get out there and try to break the record if you don't think it should stand. Â Us humans are always "woulda coulda shoulda" but sometimes ya gotta just do it. Â I just don't think Perry should be called a liar, a cheat, whatever else...it happened so long ago and not one of us here were alive even remotely close to when he caught whatever fish he caught. Quote
KenDammit28 Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I think Weakley's bass has deflated the record. It seems it is a matter of when, not if it will be broken. Who would have thought that a largemouth frame could even carry 25lbs. With the technology and the research we have at our fingertips about growing things..I don't think there should be a doubt in ANYONES mind that the record WILL be broken. Â We've already seen proof that fish can grow beyond 22 lbs and I'm sure there are some that are much larger than that but will never be caught because they're just too smart/inaccessible. Â Thats why I don't think the record is a big deal, its going to fall to a new one..soon. Â Quote
Mattlures Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Believe me Ken I and many others are teying to break it. Mike long catches fish every year that are over 18lbs. Â He will probably be the one Quote
Triton_Mike Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I'm not touching this one with a 8ft swimbait rod LMAO!! Â T Mike Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted May 28, 2006 Super User Posted May 28, 2006 I'm not touching this one with a 8ft swimbait rod LMAO!! T Mike I am with you. Quote
George Welcome Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I don't know why Mike. The spurts have spoken. ROTFLMAO Quote
Super User senile1 Posted May 29, 2006 Super User Posted May 29, 2006 Whether you believe or don't believe that Perry's record is legitimate doesn't matter. Â It is accepted as the record and it is the weight that must be broken to set a new record. Â Debating it won't change this. Â It is what it is. Â When everyone is finished debating, the record will still be 22 lbs 4 oz and you will have to catch a largemouth larger than this to change that fact. Â Remember the phrase from the old Serenity Prayer: Â God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. This record can't be changed so all of us must accept it. Â Irritation over this record will cut years off your life which means less time to fish for bass. Â Quote
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