langs15 Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 I have never fished legally He said it, not other people. I didn't need to answer the cop or warden question as others have stated that cops can't do a d**n thing...about this anyways. So mr. matt fly, do you understand everyones point now?
KYbass1276 Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 You can fish in my state without a license, just not public waters, so to say you fish, just not legally doesn't mean illegally. Then what does the the oppisite of legally mean then When some one says they can drive a dump truck just not legally that means they can drive one and not have a CDl or they can drive one illegally because they don't have a CDL It was left to assume despite the original question that he did not have a license because of the way it was worded. While the original question was not answered it would have been if the question was worded better ie Is it worse or better to get busted by the cops or game warden if someone didn't have a license. If it was properly worded there would be no debate now
Super User Gatorbassman Posted May 22, 2006 Super User Posted May 22, 2006 His first question was how much trouble could he get in. 500 dollar fine and/or 60 days in jail. His second question was would a cop or a warden be worse. A Warden. The fact that he would even ask this question could mean that he is considering fishing illegaly. That's enough to make anyone question his motives. Derrick I have one question for you. How is it that a man at your age, who has fished most of his life in a state known for it many public waters, and considers himself ready to fish in tournaments, go his entire life without fishing any public waters? It's funny how the simple wording of a statement or question can set off so many people. Please understand that we all love this sport and want to protect it for the future. When someone comes along that may want to do even the smallest thing to threaten it, we get defensive. Stand back for a second and read your original question from our eyes and try to understand why we got defensive.
bassnleo Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 If I may............................. What I'm going to explain applies to the law here in PA. "A cop can't ask you for a hunting or fishing license" and "A Game Warden is the only one who can check you" In PA, the 2 statements above in quotes are wrong. A municipal police officer, state trooper, PA fish and boat commission conservation officer, can enforce ALL the laws of the commonwealth including ANYTHING in the fish and game codes, crimes code, vehicle code, drug code etc... A PA game commission officer (game warden) can also enforce the fishing laws (along with the game code of course) plus they may detain and arrest for certain criminal and vehicle code violations. I'm only passing this on so someone dosen't incorrectly tell a law enforcement officer that they don't have the authority to check them for a fishing license. That may not sit too well with the officer................. BTW, to Darrickp, man I would just get the license if you plan on fishing somewhere you are required to have one.....
Rattletrap Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 The fines will be more than the cost of the fishing license. If a cop catches you, you'll pay a no trespassing fine, and after he calls the Game Warden, you'll pay a no license fine. IMO. People that fish illegally are criminals.
langs15 Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 People that fish illegally are criminals. THat they are...
Rattletrap Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 ASSUME...***-U-ME... Hmmmmm...... I'm trying to figure this one out.
Deuceu72 Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 I think this is beating a dead horse............the point was made on both sides.
langs15 Posted May 22, 2006 Posted May 22, 2006 ASSUME...***-U-ME... Hmmmmm...... I'm trying to figure this one out. He said it wrong...well kinda...its really if you assume, you make an *** out of you and me.
Super User flechero Posted May 22, 2006 Super User Posted May 22, 2006 A game warden is the only one that can check you. Yes we can assume they can hold you until a game warden arrives. But again, a cop has no juristdiction on the game laws. But they can detain you until the warden arrives or until the warden steps out of the car.... Game wardens routinely ride with DPS trooper on the major (I-20, I-10, I-35, etc.) highways here... been there and done that. One of the guys in our party was questioned by the trooper and then asked to sit tight while he got the game warden who "happened to be riding with him that day" for a few follow up questions. Funny how the ride together on Sunday afternoons in hunting seasons, since we saw the same pair on the following 2 sundays, working the same stretch of I-20. ?? The reality is that we got stopped by a cop (dps trooper) but we were detained so the warden could ask his questions.... it's a common "trap" in TX. We got pulled over for no front plate on a farm truck but the reality was that we had coolers, gun cases and hunting/camping gear visable in the truck's bed, hence the "courtesy" stop by the trooper. And once the trooper introduced the warden, he forgot about the plate missing... conveniently! No infractions were noted or cited but it's just their game, to check the hunters/fisherman. So in many cases, it doesn't matter who stops you or who asks first... in the end, the game warden has the last word. This example was hunting, not fishing but the same thing could easily happen, and probably does.
Super User cart7t Posted May 23, 2006 Super User Posted May 23, 2006 his orginal question was cops or warden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where does telling the man to get a license and grow up answer his questions. Did you answer the cop or the warden? Or did you think he needs to clarify the question? You need to lighten up there Francis. The guy confesses he's never fished legally. He doesn't have a license. He wonders what the fines or penalties would be if he got caught and just who has the right to catch him, a cop or a warden. Good grief, do you need that in neon? BTW, he's a 27 year old big boy now and a resident of Florida. It's his responsibilty to understand the game laws of the state he's in and if he doesn't understand them, check it out with a local game and fish person to help him clarify his illegality or lack thereof. I see a lot of very level headed responses there. I wouldn't have been so nice to an admitted poacher.
slimwhit33 Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 MattFly seems to have an unhealthy need to defend an individual who CLEARLY STATED that he has "never fished legally". I'm confused by MattFlys confusion on this topic...
Rattletrap Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 He said it wrong...well kinda...its really if you assume, you make an *** out of you and me. I'm glad we did not have to assume anything. It's all in Black and White.
langs15 Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 He said it wrong...well kinda...its really if you assume, you make an *** out of you and me. I'm glad we did not have to assume anything. It's all in Black and White. Ain't that the truth!
Super User Matt Fly Posted May 23, 2006 Super User Posted May 23, 2006 MattFly seems to have an unhealthy need to defend an individual who CLEARLY STATED that he has "never fished legally". I'm confused by MattFlys confusion on this topic... What I defended is how some seem to jump on him. None of you every drive over the speed limit? One mile is breaking the law. Does that make you a criminal also? Telling people to grow up is not a polite response, nor did the first eleven posts address his questions, but merely lectured the guy. Secnond, I was emailed about this topic privately, was the object to want this guy to quit the forum? He sure thought he was wronged. WHEN WE TYPE ALL CAPS AS I USED TO DO BECAUSE ITS EASIER TO READ, SOME ONE TYPED BACK AND SAID "YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL OR ACT MAD, AND THEY EXPLAINED IT TO ME"!! I had a grandpa who fished is whole life in tanks and ponds, private waters, he used to always tell us (his grand sons) , why waste your money on some fishing license to fish public waters when your neighbors and family have the best fishing in the county. So my grandpa never fished "legally", didn't make him a criminal either. So this new guy on the forum gets lectured, and told to grow up. Now, we have all had a few good debates, but name calling or jumping on one of our new forum members is not how we welcome new members to the forum is it. For you guys to assume this 27 year old is a criminal, he was big enough, after he thought he was attacked, to come back and appologize. Sounds like a descent guy to me. If I thought any of you were wronged, I say a few words for ya'll also. Hookem and How about those Mavericks Matt.
langs15 Posted May 23, 2006 Posted May 23, 2006 HE didn't say he fished on private waters though, it's over, so get over it. And we never said he wans't a descent guy..
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