Why Assume the current WR is a Lie??

[Captain Cali]

It's pretty dang hard to question sometihng 74 years old...  And if it's 74's years old, it must be pretty stout..

Just because it's a 74 year old record doesn't mean it is a true record. That argument doesn't hold much water. No one will deny that it's been in the record books for 74 years. What we are debating is should it have been in the record books to begin with. Obviously we can only debate that because the IGFA will not remove the record.

[bobo]

Sure it's possible it's not true. But yah a 74 year old record does holds alot of water. In 74 years, anyone offered proof it wasn't  22lbs? I mean some have called him a liar from this picture posted. I mean, I practicaly busted out laughing when yall said this fish wasn't even 10 , much less 13 hahah

If your basis for the 22lb record is that you "think" that other pic is of a small 6lb fish, heh i'm gonna stop wasn't my time with you guys.

[Mattlures]

Hey Bobo I have a bunch of reasons. how about this one. Ray Scot the founder of B.A.S.S. sent one of his reporters to do an interview with Perry and administer a lie detector test.......Perry only did the interveiw.  HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder why?

Also No other bass from GA has even come close to 22.4lbs.

The measurements dont add up. That fish was 4 inches longer than Jeds fish when he caught it and I think 2 1l2 inches fatter than Jeds fish.  When Jed first weighed it it was 22.9lbs but later the oficail weight was 21lbs 11oz Perry measurements were MUCH larger and it only weighed 1/2 lb more. Perry's numbers dont add up.

Perry's fishing partner was never located and to this day has not been located for comment.

Perry changed his story on the bait he used.

Perry wrote a letter to the creek chub bait co and told them he had a picture of the fish and would give it to them for some lures. That Picture has never bee made public......How come?

Perry did win the contest with that fish pictured in which he claims it to be over 13lbs . Now I will agree with you that the fish looks bigger than 6 or even 8 but I doubt even you  honestly believe its over 13lbs

I personaly think its around 9lbs.

These are the biggest reasons for me.

There are actualy more good reasons but I think theese should suffice

[KU_Bassmaster.]

The bottom line is there is no proof of Perry's fish and there is no doubt of Macs fish. Ok now before you GA boys start replying be sure to read the rest. What I am saying is the fish itself not the tactics. Knowbody even knows if Perry's fish even existed. But everybody in the fishing world knows Mac caught his fish. Rattletrep can slam him any way he wants by using words like "snag masters" or "so called trophy hunters" but the facts are Mac caught the biggest bass in recorded history and there is no real proof of Perry's fish

You know Perry's fish, if it existed is only the third largest bass. Duclos's bass was apoxamatly 24lbs and he had picture to back it up. unfortunatley he never weighed on a certified scale, or even a fishing scale.

Those are my thoughts EXACTLY!!!!!  There are just too many things against Perry's "catch".  

[Captain Cali]

bobo...I did not necessarily mean the record itself doesn't hold water. I meant that just because a record, any record, has been around for 74 years doesn't mean the record was true to begin with. Your argument, the way I read it, was that the record must be true because it has stood for 74 years. The argument, not the record, doesn't hold much water. Although the more I read, the more I believe the record is full of holes which means if it were a bucket it wouldn't hold much water.   ;)

[bobo]

I dunno where to begin with matt, heh

So i'll start with a story. But measurements don't mean much, I mean they do, but you can't determine the actual weight of the fish, here's a story why I know that to be true.

The first big bass I ever caught, as in over 5lbs. Was almost 31 inches long... 31inches!!!!! Take a wild guess how much she weighed.... this is gonna blow your mind.  9 and 3/4 pounds! unreal huh? Now this 20 years ago, and even though we did practice catch and release. This girl was going on the wall, and heck I was young, I had didn't know why we did catch and release, except the pond we fished all the bass and bream had a terrible muddy taste to them. Only thing we ever kept was crappie. So i call the the taxidemist, I wanted the best around. And It was like 5 or 6 bucks an inch for a bass mount. When I told him the length, he was like, you sure? I had already told him the weight, and he asked several times was I sure about the length. He then he started asking me about the fish, I told him it was like her belly was hollow. It was more like stretched skin than normal looking and the rest of her looked skinny, she just had no fat on her like other fish i had caught, in fact she looked like she had been starving. And he said, well if this was fish healthy and if you had caught her maybe at differnt time of the year, he said she would have easily went 13lbs or heck even more, he said he didn't know, but the fish should weight alot more than 9 and 3/4 pounds. So he tells me to put it in the freezer and he'll get to it as soon as he can. which this guy is in bigtime demand. And he said it was going to be 5 to 6 months. Well, it was no big deal. I was happy. Now, after about a month, my cousin's kid, who was pretty young, maybe 9. He goes and unplugs the freezer, which is out in the shop. And plugs up some electric tool and starts messing around with it. Well, the not thinking, he left and didn't plug the dang freezer back up... Well, I don't know how many days went buy, but it started stinking.... I mean STINKING. And you talk about a mess.... Needless to say, my fish was gone. Sure I was mad about it, but being young myself I didn't much thought into it. Now years later, People talk about length and all that. I start realizing what I had. While it was nothing special in terms of it's size, it's length was incredible. And I didn't even cross my mind at the time to take a picture since it was going on the wall.

Now think about it, I got no proof at all I ever caught a bass that was almost 31inches long and only weighed 9 and 3/4lb. Except for my dad who was with me and measured it and weighed it.... sickening huh? Oh and for those wondering what I hung her on, this is wild too, a little bitty black beetle spin.... I was crappie fishing around the drain pipe That was a looong bass.

I've go so many stories about me and my dad fishing I could fill up the forums with em. Heck I don't even believe some of them, but I was there, i know they happened...heh

But anyway, about the polygraph and other stuff, I really don't know about all that. Ask mac to take a poly about intentioanlly snagging the fish or if he tried to cancel it was fould hooked at anytime.... I'm sure he'd refuse a poly too. Why? It's insulting. I'm sure it was just as insulting 74 years ago.

As far as the picture, it probably does what so many pictures do, doesn't do the bass justice. Even the 25lb bass, doesn't do it justice. I can't stand the picture of the recent 25lb one. I'm so glad they got it on video, where you can tell something. The picture they got is horrible. You can tell it's big, but you can't tell it's 25lb by any stretch of the imagination. But it does capture the fatness of the girl. I'm so glad they got video, i'd be seriously disappointed if all we had to go by is the picture. I don't care how many times you look at the picture, there's just no justice in how big the fish really is.

And lastly, that pic with that fish, claimed to be 13lbs. Te me the way he's holding it and all that, you can estimate it's size pretty good, i'd think, it would be better if it were close and hanging by his side, holding sideways kinda obscures it's fattyness . If you want me to go into detail about how, I will. But the main thng is how the background isn't way behind the fish. And example of a bad pic is the current 25lb fish, where he's holding it out towards the camera, those pictures are by far the worst to estimate. Because it can do 2 things....One, make a small fish look way bigger than it is, and as in the 25lb fish, make a huge fish appear smaller...You might think that impossible, but it's a common illusion.  If Perry's record fish has a picture, unless it as good as the one posted here of the 13 lber, preferably hanging, instead of holding it up sideways. It wouldn't detemine the exact weight of the fish, but you could make a pretty good guess.

[Chris]

It seems alot of the guys that are defending the 25lbr are insulting the crap out of Perry. That fish in that picture def looks nice.

I guess you guys are use to those deformed cali fish.... heh sounds like you guys are on some kinda Cali agenda or something.

Starting to see a distubing trend in the forums

psssst. deformed Florida fish.

[bobo]

nonono, those are cali bass !! They done strained the florida out of them with those trout lol

Just curious, anyone here ever fish Dixon, and if so, do you know if they installed the huge fish aerators? Just wondering, lake I go to, at times of the year, those aerators are a sight to behold, the amount of shad and 2-3 lb  bass flopping all raround in the bubbles is truely a crazy sight to watch.

[Chris]

The thing about it is this, even back when Perry caught his record they did not give the title of record holder to just anybody. The guy can not just say hey guess what I just caught a record give me the title. There needs to be proof and if I remember correctly it was weighed on a certified scale either postal or a supermarket meat scale (don't remember which) and measured with witnesses other than relatives or friends. If the guy just had a picture or if he was trying to become a record holder just from a picture or his good word he would not be in the books. You can doubt the current record all you like but more than one person said there was enough evidence to award him the record.

[Guest bigtex]

Its been a while since I have put my two cents in.  Here it goes.........It doesn't matter if people question wether or not Perry's fish even existed.  He nor anybody else that is connected to the WR has anything to prove.  Perry, for right now, holds the WR.  It sounds like some people just can't stand that and I just don't know why???  I, myself, believe that Perry caught the WR and on the same note, it will be broken really soon in the state of California.  Cali has proven that the record will be broken and quite frankly I can't wait until it happens.  Roger 310---get a move on it.  Times a running out.  If Cali bass were dieing at around 20 to 22 lbs, like it was stated in another post, I believe that the 25 lber doesn't have much time left.  Good luck to you and your state in the hunt for that monster.

[Rattletrap]

Its been a while since I have put my two cents in. Here it goes.........It doesn't matter if people question wether or not Perry's fish even existed. He nor anybody else that is connected to the WR has anything to prove. Perry, for right now, holds the WR. It sounds like some people just can't stand that and I just don't know why??? I, myself, believe that Perry caught the WR and on the same note, it will be broken really soon in the state of California. Cali has proven that the record will be broken and quite frankly I can't wait until it happens. Roger 310---get a move on it. Times a running out. If Cali bass were dieing at around 20 to 22 lbs, like it was stated in another post, I believe that the 25 lber doesn't have much time left. Good luck to you and your state in the hunt for that monster.

I am in agreement here......

[Rattletrap]

Rattletrap your the one that seems to be hung up on the Cali GA thing. It seems to me the only reason your so adimate on defending The WR is because you are from there. Personaly I dont care were it comes from. I only hope that who ever cacthes it worked for it. I would be happy if it came from Mexico or Japan as long as it beats what I believe to be the biggest fraud in fishing history.

OK what makes you so sure Perry even caught a 22.4

That's where we actually disagree. Isn't that a first? I don't want the record to come outside the USA. That's just the Red,White and Blue in me.

[Rattletrap]

Rattletrap your the one that seems to be hung up on the Cali GA thing. It seems to me the only reason your so adimate on defending The WR is because you are from there. Personaly I dont care were it comes from. I only hope that who ever cacthes it worked for it. I would be happy if it came from Mexico or Japan as long as it beats what I believe to be the biggest fraud in fishing history.

OK what makes you so sure Perry even caught a 22.4

All you Cali guys are getting so frustrated that your state has come so close, and you still can't de-thrown Georgia. Remember I just respond, ya'll have always started the Perry issue. That means ya'll have the personal issues you need help with. Too many of Cali or close to Cali posters have been dogging out Perry since I arrived on this forum. I dogged back and all ya'll turn into whiners. It's all right to dog Perry's bass, but don't say anything about Cali's bass. Is it a 25 lber? It looks like it. Most of ya'll believe Perry is a liar, and there is no photo of his bass. I believe Mac purposely snagged the bass, and there is no photo of him snagging the bass. It's my opinion of that. Just be prepared, and figure out how to take it when I defend Perry when you attempt to discredit him. Ya'll keep starting it, and I'll keep trying to end it.  Latter!!!!

[Rattletrap]

Rattletrap...I also did not make a comment like "When is the next Georgia Liars fair?" now did I?

The way I see it, "Cali Snagmaster Championships" is a direct attack on all California anglers. And I took it personally. I don't care what little smiley you put on it.

I had to let it out. Guys on this forum have been trying to discredit Perry's record since I have joined. I opened both barrels and wounded a few. I'm still healing in a few places from their previous blasts. I went with the Snag Master comment in fun when they kept pushing the Perry agenda. It's just IMO's.

[Chris]

Now before the fur starts flying and I am stuck deleting and locking it down lets be nice about this and not turn it into a sword fight or something otay :

[Rattletrap]

Hey Bobo I have a bunch of reasons. how about this one. Ray Scot the founder of B.A.S.S. sent one of his reporters to do an interview with Perry and administer a lie detector test.......Perry only did the interveiw. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder why?

Also No other bass from GA has even come close to 22.4lbs.

The measurements dont add up. That fish was 4 inches longer than Jeds fish when he caught it and I think 2 1l2 inches fatter than Jeds fish. When Jed first weighed it it was 22.9lbs but later the oficail weight was 21lbs 11oz Perry measurements were MUCH larger and it only weighed 1/2 lb more. Perry's numbers dont add up.

Perry's fishing partner was never located and to this day has not been located for comment.

Perry changed his story on the bait he used.

Perry wrote a letter to the creek chub bait co and told them he had a picture of the fish and would give it to them for some lures. That Picture has never bee made public......How come?

Perry did win the contest with that fish pictured in which he claims it to be over 13lbs . Now I will agree with you that the fish looks bigger than 6 or even 8 but I doubt even you honestly believe its over 13lbs

I personaly think its around 9lbs.

These are the biggest reasons for me.

There are actualy more good reasons but I think theese should suffice

And how long have you been bass fishing? I have caught plenty of shorter bass that out weigh the longer bass. Perry caught his bass after the spawn was over. Take that 2-4lb egg roe out of Mac's fish and see what you get. Measurements don't add up correctly. Certified scales is the only way. Which Perry used. These reason's don't suffice. Try again.

[earthworm77]

For all the guys who believe Perry's fish was true as claimed, you have been offered many snippetts of information on why it looks like a bogus record. Can you name a few facts on why it should stand? Obviously the IGFA was not as stringent 75 years ago because it seems that this fish was hurried along into a vacant slot with little proof at all. Like I said in a post weeks ago, according to my research a photo doesn't exist. I even went so far as to contact the IGFA and they do not have one.

I just would like to know what motivates someone to adamantly defend this record with absolutely no proof that it even was caught.

As for the photo I posted, Matt, I couldn't find the tacklebox photo in which Perry posed with a 13.4 that one the 1933 Flield and Stream contest....that fish, certainly wasn't even close to even 8 or 9lbs. The photo I posted has the 13.4 weight listed in the caption so I think it is of the same fish but it does look a little bigger, possibly 8lbs or so but still not close to a teener.

I simply can't believe in a record simply because it is on the books. As important as this seems to be for the sport we love, it should be met with some scrutiny since there are no supporting facts to back it up. Simply accepting it because its been around for 75 years isn't reason enough for me....especially under the curcumstances.

[earthworm77]

Certified scales is the only way. Which Perry used

Perry claimed he weighed his fish at a gereal store, there are no eyewitness accounts to back this up. His fish simply sounds like a fish story. Nobody seems to have seen it. Trap, what is your reason for believing this other than you are from Georgia? Also, questioning Mattlures experience is a little out of your league. I know about him based on his big bass fishing. He might be the last guy you should have said that to.

[Rattletrap]

For all the guys who believe Perry's fish was true as claimed, you have been offered many snippetts of information on why it looks like a bogus record. Can you name a few facts on why it should stand? Obviously the IGFA was not as stringent 75 years ago because it seems that this fish was hurried along into a vacant slot with little proof at all. Like I said in a post weeks ago, according to my research a photo doesn't exist. I even went so far as to contact the IGFA and they do not have one.

I just would like to know what motivates someone to adamantly defend this record with absolutely no proof that it even was caught.

As for the photo I posted, Matt, I couldn't find the tacklebox photo in which Perry posed with a 13.4 that one the 1933 Flield and Stream contest....that fish, certainly wasn't even close to even 8 or 9lbs. The photo I posted has the 13.4 weight listed in the caption so I think it is of the same fish but it does look a little bigger, possibly 8lbs or so but still not close to a teener.

I simply can't believe in a record simply because it is on the books. As important as this seems to be for the sport we love, it should be met with some scrutiny since there are no supporting facts to back it up. Simply accepting it because its been around for 75 years isn't reason enough for me....especially under the curcumstances.

It's all because he met all the standards required of his era. Were still waiting for someone to meet all the standards of this era. Right? Cerified scales and witnesses prove Perry's catch. I'll take take certified scales and witnesses for the new WR. I don't need a photo. I just go by the standards met at the time.

[Rattletrap]

Certified scales is the only way. Which Perry used

Perry claimed he weighed his fish at a gereal store, there are no eyewitness accounts to back this up. His fish simply sounds like a fish story. Nobody seems to have seen it. Trap, what is your reason for believing this other than you are from Georgia? Also, questioning Mattlures experience is a little out of your league. I know about him based on his big bass fishing. He might be the last guy you should have said that to.

As far as Mattlure goes. I stated known facts about bass size. If he is who you say he is, he should understand it then. Beat the WR and and end the confusions ya'll have.

Also, questioning Mattlures experience is a little out of your league.

You don't even know me, but you can make that opinion if you like.

[Rattletrap]

Prove ya'll just broke the WR record....... ;D Ya'll will eventually, if ya'll meet all the IGFA requirements. Anyway, this whole Perry issue began because I believe Mac snagged the bass. Beat the WR record if ya'll can. I'm done :-X

[Glenn]

Good, because I'm really close to locking this down.  This thread is turning sour, and that's not what these forums are about.  Either everyone plays nice, or I lock/delete threads.... and if it gets really bad, I start booting people.

We haven't reached that point quite yet, but this thread is right on the threshold.  

So, if you have something brand new to add to this thread, let's hear it.  Otherwise, all opinions and statements have already been made and heard.

[Chris]

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Perry and Page took the bass to a grocery store in nearby Helena, where it was weighed. But Perry has no inkling that this bass was the largest ever certified. The International Game Fish Association (IGFA), offical keeper of fresh and saltwater world record gamefish, wouldn't exist for another seven years. "but somebody in the store mentioned the Field & stream fishing contest, which was a popular fishing competition at the time. The magazine awarded merchandise annually for the winning fish in several categories, including bass." Perry desided to enter his bass in the contest. He took it to the Helena post office, where it was weighed on certified scales. The fish weighed 22 pounds, 4 ounces, measured 32 inches in length and had a 28 inch girth. Perry won the contest and recieved $75 in merchandise.

[bobo]

Ah that had to be an awesome feeling. 22 lbs..... Imagine how technology was back then, Wonder how long it took for the news of the catch to get to bass fishermen across America....

I might look into the standing state records across the country to see how much bigger it was, than current state records. Wonder if thiere any sites that have data that old.... Bet you'd have to do some serious legwork to find out all that kinda stuff back then.

heh I think I need to start spell check before posting

Oh and lemme add before I get banned or this gets locked, heh, The igfa didn't officially take over record keeping from field and stream until 1978..  I didn't know that.

[Rattletrap]

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Perry and Page took the bass to a grocery store in nearby Helena, where it was weighed. But Perry has no inkling that this bass was the largest ever certified. The International Game Fish Association (IGFA), offical keeper of fresh and saltwater world record gamefish, wouldn't exist for another seven years. "but somebody in the store mentioned the Field & stream fishing contest, which was a popular fishing competition at the time. The magazine awared merchandise annually for the winning fish in several categories, including bass." Perry desided to enter his bass in the contest. He took it to the Helena post office, where it was weighed on certified scales. The fish weighed 22 pounds, 4 ounces, measured 32 inches in length and had a 28 inch girth. Perry won the contest and recieved $75 in merchandise.

That's what we have to go by as a WR. That's what we have to use. It seems legit to me. The IGFA was formed so we would not have this issue that's coming to a head.