screw Gary Y.

[Brad_Coovert]

My club puts on several youth events each year.  Gary sent my club a huge box of Hula Grubs for our fishing outing with the Brooke's Place Kids and our Casting Kids event at the boat show last year.  Almost $1000.00 worth of baits to just one club.  

We had a lot of jealous dad's at the boat show when we gave their kids several bags of Yammies to take home!    ;D

Brad

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I bet, that's awesome.  Any idea how I could get involved in somthing like that around here?

[Brad_Coovert]

LBH.  For starters, I would contact your state's BASS Federation and get in touch with their youth director.  He should be able to point you to some groups that you could get involved with.

Brad

[Big-Bass1055]

I agree, your lucky to get 10 casts out of some of his Grubs, they just fall apart.

[bass master]

Over Priced Performance

[NYCBassDaddy]

I totally agree with your thoughts. I think he is being a little greedy when it comes to his prices. Even his sons kanami bait flash worms are expensive $ 4.00 for 7 and they fall apart after 2 cast. Your even lucky to get three cast outta them.  :-/

[heresdustin]

Oh boy, what a fun topic!  Why spend all this time whining and complaining about something that is more expensive than the other baits?  Boo-Freaking-Hoo!  Get off of it!  If you want to spend the money to buy 'em, buy 'em!  If you don't wanna buy 'em, then don't!  Come on people.... let's think of something a little more constructive to talk about than the price of a bait.  This is a Bass Fishing Forum...... it's not a site for complainers.  Let's get realistic, folks.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Dustin- this is your 4th reply in this post. :-/  Not slamming you but it's a bit hypocritical that the main person saying to drop this post is the same person re-newing it.

You've made your point, but everyone here has an opinion and they are entitled to it.

[bass109]

garys senko bait is a jerkbait, which jerkbaits dont last very long at all and are kind of expensive. About $5.58 where i live. The point is that they dont last long and are kind of a waste of money. THey really do work but are gone in no time.

[John Cullum]

LBH, I agree with you that the price of some baits hard/soft are out of control but sometimes that are better quality and will catch more fish.

What is your stand on higher price/quality rods? I see you have made a few posts about Airrus Rods which are a higher quality rod than most. I'm not sure how you can justify spending $100-200 on a rod when a Berkely Lighting Rod would do the same trick. I'm not trying to pry at you it just doesn't make sense to me.

I know you may feel that a higher priced rods have alot to offer that the lower priced/quality rods don't and I agree. But usually the guys that refuse to pay a few hundered bucks on a rod are the same ones that aren't willing to pay $6 on a bag of soft plastics.

By no means am I tryin to get under your skin I have no reason too. I'm just curious on why one thing and not the other. I know guys that swear by Berkleys Lighting Rods and would tell you they are as good as any rod on the market, "a rods a rods they'd tell ya".

[nwgabassmaster]

because they are the same lure.

All of you guys can choose not to pay the money for the Senko, and while I am bringing in the tournament winning weight, you will be wondering what exactly happened, when you are using those "cheaper" versions.  YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

The Senko and it's knock-offs ARE NOT the same lure.  Gary Yamamoto and his team of designers and lure creators created a lure that is unique, has it's own potent formula, with salt amounts different from other lures, etc.  There IS NOT another lure that is the Senko.

So, I will pay what I have to pay to use Gary's products, because it is my choice, and I don't care if they go up to $20 a bag.  As I said in another post, when it comes to placing in the money, there is not a cost that is too great, especially when it comes to lures.

If they are ripping on you, use glue to stick the head of the worm to the hook, and also be willing to modify the lure.  I have used Senkos for 3 years now, and the funny thing about their lure, that honestly differs from any other lure is that you can cut the head off of it, and it WILL NOT effect the "dance" of the lure.  With others, you can't do that.  Most others don't even have an action similiar to GYCB's Senko.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Dude, $20/ bag, god bless ya!  I outfished my partner this morning, 20 to 11.  I used dingers.

Know what he used? Let's just say,...too much money is what he used.

See ya at the scales ;D

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Sorry, really didn't mean that to sound snotty.  Not my intention, it's getting a bit comical though how dedicated some people can be.  The name brand is like a crutch or a life vest for some anglers, I swear.

IN SHORT

Whatever you use, I hope you have success and by success I mean, no matter how much you paid for whatever you are using, use it well, use it often and wear a big smile.

[Gatorbassman]

You can design the best fish catching lure in the world but it won't make you any money if it doesn't catch fishermen first.

[5bass]

I am a regular senko user.The last time I fished,the bass were suspended up under the deeper docks in the shade.I threw about 4 different colors of Yamamoto senkos and the fish would start to get a look and then the bait would fall too fast right past them and I was getting no strikes.

I then put on a X brand senko,same color as the Yamamoto's and began to catch fish.The rate of fall on the X brand I switched to was a good bit slower than the original senkos and that was the key to catching those fish that were suspended.My partner only had original senkos and he never caught a fish.I gave him one of the brand X baits and he started to catch them too.

Sometimes the senkos will outfish all others.....key word being "sometimes".

Buy what you want,the fish will tell you whether they like it or not.It's good to have other options available.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

John_Cullem-

I've never "skimped" on anything I purchase but what I look for is "value".  Bang for the buck.  I have a boston whaler because you cannot sink it.  It costs twice as much as any other 15 ft boat but the quality and craftsmanship are a great value to me because I won't be spending money down the road to repair badly executed workmanship.  Now If there was another boatmaker that gaurenteed these facts as strongly as whaler and had a cust service support base like whaler, I would certainly buy it instead.  Yamamoto does not offer a $4 advantage to me over another bait.  Granted, some knock-offs suk, too stiff, etc but the one I use is YUm's dinger and I outfish or at least hold my own when up against a yamamoto freak like my main partner is.

This is a fact.  I outfished him 20 to 11 this morning w/ dingers.  If it were the other way around, on a consistent basis, I would probably spend the money for them, no doubt.  It's not a money thing, it's a value thing.  I'm not saying he doesnt beat me using GY's now and again, but theres certainly no major trend there.  Either way for that matter.  

Not cheap, never was, just an educated consumer looking for the most value for my dollar

[John Cullum]

I wasn't impling you were cheap or that you "skimped" out on purchases for a lesser quality product.

The name Low Budget (hookers) didn't mean cheap no money anglers in my eyes so please don't take my question as me calling you cheap.

I was just confussed a bit on how you were able to justify spending so much for a rod and not for a bag of Yamamotos.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I think I better sign off, I keep coming off like a jerk tonight.  Sorry to all.

[Ondeck32]

Well I do think Gary has a good bait but you would think all the money he charges for them he could afford better bags, if you hold them in your hands to long the paint rubs off the bags and gets all over your hands(very cheap)!

[Guest Hooker]

This thread has gotten a little out of control, and before anyone else gets offended, maybe the new guy (that'd be me) can shed some light on the subject:

I don't think anyone is calling anyone else "cheap" here.  Like a lot of other hobbies/sports where there is equipment to purchase the debate rages on about what contributes to the person's level of success.  Is it the person or the gear?  I guarantee that if you give someone who has never been fishing before a $500 rod/reel and give them another $500 to go out and pick whatever bait they want...they aren't going to catch many fish.  Put that person up against someone who has been fishing for 20 years, but who has a $25 rod/reel and a small tacklebox and we all know who will catch more fish.  My wife can outfish me just about any day of the week.  I'm constantly buying new stuff trying to keep up with her, but it just never seems to happen.  She uses $.97 generic bait most of the time.  She's been fishing since she was old enough to walk, while I just started a few weeks ago.  

There are so many variables when it comes to this stuff, it's hard to talk about it.  But what it really boils down to is value.  One guy may spend a huge amount of money on his boat, but not have very high quality gear.  He values something different from someone who bank fishes yet owns 15 G. Loomis rods for every occassion.  Guys like my uncle are kind of in between, yet spend more money on taking trips to various places.  Part of the attraction to the sport for him is going to Canada, Virginia, or wherever.  

I'd never heard of Yamamoto or Senkos before checking out this website.  In my mind, paying that kind of money for plastic worms is too much.  However, if I did purchase some and they produced good results, their value would go up and I'd be able to justify the purchase.  People who swear by the bait they catch fish with don't really care how much it costs.  But, as we all know, what works for me doesn't always mean it will work for you...and vice versa.

I did buy some Kinami worms the other day, and have mixed feelings about them so far.  I haven't used them enough to really cast judgement yet.  I knew going in (from reading this forum) that they weren't going to be very durable, which is my only real complaint so far.  If these work well for me, I would most likely buy some Senkos and try those as well.  However, if it's one thing my wife has taught me over the years, it's this:  Sometimes, "generic" is better.  More often than not, it's the same stuff in different packaging.  

[nwgabassmaster]

Yet, the Senko is not like anything else on the market.  It has it's own formula, and that is why it is such a great lure to use.

Derek is Gary's son, and Derek is the owner of Kinami Lures.  The Kinami Lure's "senko" type bait is nothing like the Senko.  Not even close.  

First off, the durability of the plastic is from the amount of salt that is in the products.  The more salt that is in a particular lure, the less durable the lure becomes.  Unless you add stabilizer, but that's a whole different story altogether.

The Senkos are worth every penny that Gary charges for them, and it's for the simple fact that you can not top the original lure, and you can not defeat a lure that is constantly changing to meet the angler's needs.  

There are ways to make the lures more durable.  If you are using them on a wacky rig, use a rubber band that is tight to the lure, and hook the band, not the lure.  The same can be said about the wire split rings......hook under it, and not the lure.

As for the T-rigging approach, althought there is not a sure-fire way, other than glue, to keep the head of the lure in place, I have found that my Senkos hold up well when I fish them on a T-rig (c-rig also).

I am not knocking the other companies and their versions of a stickbait, but my choice is Yamamoto for the Senko, as well as the Fat Baby Craws.  

[Max-in-Mn]

ooops, double post...dang 420 club...

[Max-in-Mn]

L-B-H, Since when is saying your opinions "being a jerk" . Nothing any of you have said is jerky, it's just how you all feel. I too, am a value hunter, if I can get the same results and save a few bucks than more power to me heh! But, ya know, I will say this thread reminds me of those Energizer bunny commercials....it just keep's going....and going...lol, nah, I kid, I kid :-X

[senko_77]

russ, i know your going to hate me for this, but since i fished with u im a huge dinger fan now.  but when i went to cabelas in p.a. i met gary yamamoto in person.  i had to buy some bags of senkos and get him to autograph them to give them to my friend.  sorry man.  but i hate gycb, cuz i tear them off with a cast, not even before it hits the water is it off, and i feel that dingers catch more fish.  just my opinion

[Guest whittler]

Help an old guy out here, just don't quite understand.

I'm starting my own personal boycott.

Gary yamamoto baits are as greedy as the company I work for (UPS).  Beelieve me, that's saying quite a bit.  

Then when Brad Coovert mentions that Yamamoto gave away a lot of free baits

Any idea how I could get involved in somthing like that around here?

It escapes me why a guy will come on a board with the sole purpose to bad-mouth a product that he says he won't even use. I won't buy your product, but i'll take all the free ones you can pass out.