John Cullum Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Earthworm your probadly right about eveyone else combined out selling the Senko. But I would think as far as a "Senko" type bait would go they probadly out sell any of the competitors on a one on one comparison still, regardless of price. Earthworm you seem to know alot more than me about customizing baits and such so I was wondering if you happen to know how many bags of Senkos (just GYCB) they sell per year.
Brad_Coovert Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Senkos would outsell all the copies combined. Still, at $6 a bag, they are #1. I have to disagree. Do you realize how many copies there are? As far as being the best, it is all a matter of what works for you. Yes, I know how many copies there are. I've fished almost every one of them. There are only a few that are big national sellers though while others are just regional. I still feel, that given the choice between a Senko and another bait, all things being equal at the same exact price, most fisherman will take the Senko over the copies. If Bombers were $15 and Lucky Crafts $15, I believe the LC's would win also. If the Lightning Rod was $200 and a Loomis GL3 $200, the Loomis will win out also. Just like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop, the world will never know. As for #1, I am implying sales. I doubt that any one brand is outselling the Senko on a nationwide basis. It's also #1 for me though. ;D Brad
abelfisher Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 It is called Capitlaism. If GY needed to drop his price he would. Obvioulsy, he does not need to. To make some analagies. Think of the Dinger as the GM product in the mid size sedan market. Think of GY as the Toyota or Honda of the Mid sized Sedan market. If one is perceived to be of higher quality than it is in the eyes of the consumer. Perception is reality. Until that perception is changed, GY will be able to keep higher prices than his competitors. Also, Earthworm brought up a good point regarding target market. That has a lot to do with it as well.
The_Natural Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 I use yum dingers, tiki sticks and senkos. Yum dingers and tiki sticks have a different fall rate than senkos, and sometimes the fish prefer one over the other, but not one all the time. GY sells a premium bait, and I feel you get what you pay for. I guess I'm glad his aren't the only ones that work, but utilizing all that are available to you to find the one that works on a given day will make you a better fisherman.
JPBiGFISH Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 aye If Gary Y. was $6 a bag and so was yum Dingers I would still buy yum dingers... for one they got good sent i think and i dotn ahve to get my parents to take me 100 miles to get a pack... around here i usually only see them, at bass pro shops and buck and bass.. but well buck and bass closed so now its either 25 miles to walmart or 100 to bass pro. yea.. that would end up costing 30 $ jsut for the gas... gas guzlin dodge.... anyways Edit: actually i dont think ive seen yum dingers either.. i tthink it was wave worms tiki stick or whatever. oh and some of them new superstrech whatever them are.
Hamlet Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Its amazing how quickly you guys regurgitate this "well thats just capitalism" attitude. I think most people understand what capitalism is but that doesn't mean that you can't gripe about something being overpriced. I would like to buy a new Ford GT, but thy're priced about the same as a NASA space shuttle and that occasionaly makes me say "screw Ford",.. or porsche or whoever. I guess I will have to continue playing Gran Turismo on my ps2 for my dream car fix.
kcaminitti Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Here's my .02, If Mr. Yamamoto wants to continue to sell his baits at 6$ a bag, he will lose a large part of his share of the market. With so many cheaper knock-offs on the market, he will eventually have to lowe the price. Here's the scenario, im 13 years old looking to buy a bait, and I have read dad's old bassmasters magazines and know all about the senko and the craze that has followed them. Mom's taking me to Gander Mountain to buy some knew fishin stuff. Being on an allowance, I am limited in my funds, say, twenty dollars a week. I'm looking at the senkos and I've got one picked out, now, out of the corner of my eye, I see these plastic baits that look just like the senkos i have in my hand. I quickly throw the senkos down and grab a bag of yum-dingers and a nice new rapala for a dollar more than a bag of senkos. Im feeling like the bargain shopper my father is! Back at the old fishin spot, I'm catchin fish left and right with this yum-dinger. I deplete my resources and with next weeks allowance I decide to go back and buy some more bait. What do you think i'm going to buy? Yum-dingers. Now say I don't catch anything on this bait that looks like a senko, will i buy the senkos this time? Not a chance. Now, im all grown up and have a job and I can actually afford senkos, but these yum-dingers have worked well all of my younger years. Will I buy the senkod? Probably not. Now, the moral of my story is,,if he wants to appeal to the younger anglers, he had better offer a better price tag, or else the younger angler will most likely buy the cheapest equivelant. This is an unbiased observation, as I really dont use either one. I have tried them both with limited success and prefer not to use them at all. Just my .02,,,agree or disagree. Nice post, by the way Low Budget. I can see the boards parting like the red sea
MyKeyBe Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Now, the moral of my story is,,if he wants to appeal to the younger anglers, he had better offer a better price tag, or else the younger angler will most likely buy the cheapest equivelant. That may not be true. When was the last time you bought a pair of Tommy Hilfiger jeans and how many pair do you own? Ask that question to your local high school kids. I'll bet more than a few of those kids have way more than you. It's a status symbol. "I have designer jeans, 24 inch platinum rims, 12,000 watts of amplifiers, all in mom's Caddy". "My $h!t cost more than yours, that makes me betta and kooler (Fo shizzle my nizzle )" The kids may buy it just because it cost's more. And now...For the rest of the story. Screw GY! I don't buy em either. I do have some flashes that I bought on clearance for a buck. Poor Herb Reed is going broke because of GY. When was the last time you fished a Sluggo? I work for a living and fish for fun. I can't afford and am not willing to pay "designer" prices. I'll buy dingers and tiki's and have fun hooking bass all day long.
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted July 9, 2005 Author Posted July 9, 2005 priorities,....he's buyin hilfigers to get the chick (priority 1 ) with that said, he just dropped $65 on 1 pair of jeans so he can't afford GY senkos for his fishin (priority 2) and ends up buyin yum dingers. My point is,..will he catch less??? Doubt it.
Rattlinrogue Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 I don't have a thing against Gary Y.He invented the lure so he can charge what he wants.I use Tiki-stiks because they are more affordable.
George Welcome Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Rediculous need to validate: If you use one bait or the other why do you feel the need to validate your usage. It would seem to me that if, as you claim, your bait choice is so good, then why would you care what the Senko costs. Do you do this with everything you purchase? Obviously, you must think that in reality the Senko will outperform what you are using or you wouldn't be trying to compare them and prove to everyone how you are right in your decision. I cannot imagine that anyone would think less of a fellow fisherman based on the bait they are using, or the amount of money that they spend on fishing tackle. Let's go fishing!
fishingaddict Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 yeah at the place i get my lures yamamotos are 8 bucks and other senkos are like 4 so im stayin away from gary y
Muddpuppy Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 I don't think Yamamato is the whole problem, after reading some of the prices on here I started looking through some of empty packs that I toss in a box when I take out the baits, incase I decide to reuse them later. I am seeing prices like $4.99, $5.18 and $5.35 and those are recent purchases in flakes and laminates. Those were bought either at an authorized dealer or at a GYCB Pro Shop. I payed $3.47 at Wal Mart yesterday for some 4" lams Yum dingers.
Nick.Culver Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 I use tiki sticks, Senkos, and Yum Dingers. I use Yamamoto because I like a few of their colors and the rate of fall for certain applications. Then i use the Yum Dinger at other times. I use certain colors in yum because I like them more. Then Tiki Sticks I use in certain situations. They are for when I feel i need a really slow fall. For me it's all about color and the rate of fall. I've had a senko tied up on one rod and Yum Dinger on another and caught them on the Yum Dinger the first day of the trip and the they hit the senko on the second day of the trip. Low_Budget_Hooker if your comparing baits that's good. I do it all the time. I know some people like saving money and so do I. I also know that I can save money using Yum but it could also take that little key element out of my bass fishing arsenal. Then I also like to give my money to the guy who originally came up with the idea and the bait. It just like the sweet beaver I know I could save by buying knock offs but to me that's all they are knock offs. Once again my own personl opinion not any one else's. Just one last statement I fish as many tourneys as I can so I pay attention to the subtle differences such as shades of colors and the sparkels and the rate of fall. I believe the rate of fall is the key among most baits. especially in the stickworm catagory. I believe it's all about the rate of fall and not the wiggle or action
Larry_Landgren Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 I have used Yamamoto baits since they first came out. I have won alot of money using them and caught alot of Bigbass here in Arizona on them. I have tried others wannabe baits and they just don't work as well as Yamamoto baits do. When it comes to tourny fishing only a yamamoto bait will be on my hook.
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted July 9, 2005 Author Posted July 9, 2005 Acstech, no need to validate anything. I would never put down anyone for using or not using one bait or the other either. Just stating my opinion, didn't mean to offend anyone other than Gary because frankly, I wouldn't have started this post if he hadn't offended me with his prices first.
FishingObsession Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 what i think is if you dont wanna pay the money, just dont buy it. it's as simple as that. why complain about tv shows and radio if you can just change the dial.
BigbassBecker Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 WHOA!!!!!!! GY invented the Senko. He tested it, perfected it, and marketed it. Then He set his price. All the companies and individuals that copied and sell the copies are a bunch of theifs!!!!. They took the easy route and copied an already proven and established bait. They do not have the time and money invested in the senko like Gary does. They couldnt come up with thier own idea so the copied somebody elses. I dont care If he never pattented it it still doesnt make it wright! I will only buy originals. How would you guys like it if you spent years designing perfecting testing and marketing an idea only to have it knocked off by somebody who sells it cheaper. So what if GY is getting rich. he deserves it! Suport inovation not thieves
Super User dodgeguy Posted July 10, 2005 Super User Posted July 10, 2005 so by that reasoning whoever made the first crankbaits should be the only one making them.whoever made the first ribbon tail worm should be the only one making them.and we would only have 1 lipless crankbait.it just doesn't work that way.
senko_77 Posted July 10, 2005 Posted July 10, 2005 lowe budget, i tottaly agree. i just recently baught a bag of assalt lures salt stix, and they are a little bulkier that senkos, cost bout 3.50 a bag, come with 10, and last twice as long. on my first cast with these babies i got a 2lb. largemouth, and i followed suitly catching 14 on the same worm, never had to replace it. gy makes money on price, reputation, and lack of durability. i think that walmarts edge worms work better anyway, and they are 20 for 2 bucks!!!! stop buying yamato, except for the kreature bait which is the best thing to come to bass fishing. ;D
Brad_Coovert Posted July 10, 2005 Posted July 10, 2005 Nick_Culver, you're on the right track. Lures are just tools to do a job and nothing more. I buy baits to do certain things. If there is only one bait that will do it and it's $15, so be it. I fish the Senkos, Tiki Sticks, Salt Stix, NetBait Sticks and Schuberts, either for certain colors on certain waters or for different fall rates. As for patents on baits, having a patent does little to protect your design from being copied. All another company has to do is change the shape, size, weight or length and they can get around the patent. The only patent I have seen stick was Larew's patent on the salt impregnation process and it took a lot of court time to force companies to pay a license fee. I used to see that license listed on bait bags, but I have not looked in a while. Brad
D.Taylor Posted July 10, 2005 Posted July 10, 2005 With Patents I was told you cannot patent anything that is to look like a living creature. If he could patent the bait he has to patent different areas of the bait. In doing so he can eliminate the copying because if the alter this and that the action will not be the same. Now for the topic at hand. Boycot all you want. If fishermen all boycotted over-priced equiptment we would all be using cane poles fishing out of 1932 Jon boats and using ors. Everything is way over priced. How much is a bag of YUM baits???? I hope you all realize YUM are the old Riverside brand baits with different packaging. I think they were 1.99 a bag when they were popluar. So with YUM you are technically overpaying for a name.
Low_Budget_Hooker Posted July 10, 2005 Author Posted July 10, 2005 Nick_Culver, you're on the right track. Lures are just tools to do a job and nothing more. I buy baits to do certain things. If there is only one bait that will do it and it's $15, so be it.[ SO are you saying that at certain times, and certain situation, water clarity, fish location, etc that you would only have the level of confidence you are comfortable with if the bait was a yamamoto? If that's the case then I guess I can understand but for the 99.4 % of the rest of the season, when any senko will do, do you still pay $6 for 10? I'm not trying to be a punk or a wize-azz, I just don't get the logic.
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