Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 1, 2008 Super User Posted October 1, 2008 I've only heard of them recently. I must admit, from what I've read, I'm impressed. I ordered three to see what all the fuss is about, and they will be here today. They get to swim tomorrow. Here's where they will get their baptism. http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q155/HomarusAmericanus/DSC00047-1.jpg http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q155/HomarusAmericanus/DSC00055.jpg http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q155/HomarusAmericanus/DSC00048-1.jpg http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q155/HomarusAmericanus/DSC00054.jpg Quote
Willzx225 Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 All I have to say is tie a good knot because you might have to fight to get them back in that pond. ;D Quote
kayl. Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Quote
Super User KYntucky Warmouth Posted October 1, 2008 Super User Posted October 1, 2008 wake baits are neat bait IMO....I have a few Mann's Elite Wakers and have had success as both a surface and subsurface bait.... yeah...which baits did you order? Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 1, 2008 Author Super User Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Two different kinds. Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. The Strike King are the darkest shad colors, and the Top Raider is black. I ordered another color, but it's back ordered. I don't know the first thing about them, but that's never stopped me from trying something new before. I have one heavy action, seven foot rod with thirty pound test braid. If that's not heavy enough, I have some friends with salt water gear. I'll keep you informed. Quote
basser89 Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Quote
ptomacbass Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 try the saltwater rods and heavy monofilament because the stretch of the monofilament allows the fish to take the bait without you ripping the bait from it's mouth. Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted October 1, 2008 Super User Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Thats what I was thinking when I read this. You fishing for toothies? I know a bass will hit these baits, but they are actually a musky bait. Quote
basser89 Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Thats what I was thinking when I read this. You fishing for toothies? I know a bass will hit these baits, but they are actually a musky bait. I've actually caught smallies on the Top Raider (obviously musky too). The biggest was only 18" though. I've never thrown them for largemouth. Have you had largemouth hit them SPEED? Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted October 1, 2008 Super User Posted October 1, 2008 Not mine. Seen it happen while I was in the boat. Hit the Super Top w/ the twin props. Quote
fishizzle Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 I watched Tokyo Tony use one the other day and a bass just slurped it under rather than slamming it. Never saw the strike. Is this common? Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 1, 2008 Author Super User Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Yes. It's a funky looking thing. I don't know if the vertical flap at the back is for action or to prevent a big fish from getting the hook deep in its gullet. Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted October 1, 2008 Super User Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Yes. It's a funky looking thing. I don't know if the vertical flap at the back is for action or to prevent a big fish from getting the hook deep in its gullet. When you are reeling it in, it will rotate and slap the water. It is a topwater prop bait typically used for musky fishing... Quote
basser89 Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Yes. It's a funky looking thing. I don't know if the vertical flap at the back is for action or to prevent a big fish from getting the hook deep in its gullet. Ok, just making sure we're talking about the same lure. I consider the Top Raider to be a prop bait. That "vertical flap" on the back turns and sounds something like a mutant jitterbug on steriods coming through the water. The musky in my signature below was caught on a Top Raider. Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 1, 2008 Author Super User Posted October 1, 2008 The bait monkey requests that you post details about which ones you ordered! Strike King King Kong and Top Raider. Top Raider? You mean the Top Raider from Joe Bucher???? Thats what I was thinking when I read this. You fishing for toothies? I know a bass will hit these baits, but they are actually a musky bait. Bass. I'm probably out of my mind, but I've been using much larger baits than I used forty years ago. The only small baits I currently use, which work really well, are the Mepps #3 and #4 black fury with chartreuse polka dots and the same size mepps with the flourescent green and orange spinner and a yellow tail with a red center which is a bit longer than the yellow. I finally realized something when my line was twisting, and I don't like to use swivels. When a fish is caught, some of the bucktail gets out of place, and sticks out like a rudder of sorts. This makes the lure spin and twist the line. I sort out the hairs after each catch, and it has minimized the problem. Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted October 1, 2008 Super User Posted October 1, 2008 Go to YouTube or Google Top Raider Video. I am sure someone, somewhere has this bait on camera for you. Pretty violent strikes... Quote
basser89 Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Pretty violent strikes... I can testify to that!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And try throwing them at night when you can't even see the bait or a wake to know there's a follow! Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 1, 2008 Author Super User Posted October 1, 2008 Go to YouTube or Google Top Raider Video.I am sure someone, somewhere has this bait on camera for you. Pretty violent strikes... I tried googling as you suggested. Plenty of videos for "Tomb Raider", and the Oakland Raiders. One reference for Bass Pro Shops, but it was just the online catalog page with the product. I went through three pages. Will peruse it when I have the patience. Quote
TrippyJai Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 i bought a manns elite waker bait... i'm gonna try it out when i could... i saw a video of it and it looks sooo nice. the action is awesome wicked, hahah... Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted October 2, 2008 Super User Posted October 2, 2008 Go to YouTube or Google Top Raider Video.I am sure someone, somewhere has this bait on camera for you. Pretty violent strikes... I tried googling as you suggested. Plenty of videos for "Tomb Raider", and the Oakland Raiders. One reference for Bass Pro Shops, but it was just the online catalog page with the product. I went through three pages. Will peruse it when I have the patience. http://www.fishfever.com/node/173/play See how that one works for you. Quote
basser89 Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 I was throwing the Mann's Waker (chrome/blue back) a little bit today at lunch. I had a bass blow up on it but I was a little trigger happy. > Guess I need to treat it more like a top water bait on the hook set. Lesson learned the hard way I guess. The wind running 13-18MPH and there was a decent chop on the water. I know Fourbizz was saying on the other wake bait thread, that's a good time to throw it. Glad I read that thread! ;D It was killing me not throwing something else though! (That's a joke for SPEEDBEAD)! Hee hee hee Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted October 2, 2008 Super User Posted October 2, 2008 Gee, wonder what that might be? ;D Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted October 2, 2008 Author Super User Posted October 2, 2008 Here's the day one report. I went with the King Kong, for no logical reason other than it looked more natural to me. LOL Today was windy with occasional rain squalls accompanied by strong gusty winds, so I could not fish where I would have preferred. When I got my canoe to the water, I made a few "learning casts" from a dock, with the King Kong, to get a feel for how it casts and how it responds to varying retrieves. It definitely has a seductive action. Retrieved slowly on the top it gurgled like a jitterbug. It's wake consisted of a V wake which trailed off to the sides. It also created a turbulence in the water behind it. Attention getter for sure. Retrieving it just below the surface eliminated the gurgle, and produced a different wake as the water bulged up and over it. While not as attention getting as the first, the plug definitely undulates in a good imitation of live bait. Casting it is a whole 'nother story. It felt like a sash weight hanging off the end of the rod. I made a few tentative casts, trying to get a feel, then made a couple of longer casts. Working out at a gym might be in order. Because of the weather, and my inexperience with such lures, I did not try it from the canoe until the last. It's one thing to cast standing and another to cast sitting. I set the canoe in the water hyacinths so the wind couldn't spin me around, and made a cast. First cast, pretty good distance, maybe a hundred feet or so. Can probably up it to 150 once I get confidence in handling such a thing. Slow, topwater retrieve. Expecting nothing, just getting a feel. Lo and behold, something rose to the lure and tapped it, leaving a good size boil on the surface of the water. Made a couple of more casts to the spot, but no more interest. With the wind blowing me back toward the landing, I made some more casts, and then got a wicked backlash. I figure Murphy's law would take over and a monster would engulf the lure, part the line and make off with it. I handlined it into the boat, cleared the backlash, and called it a day. Tomorrow's another day. I'm psyched. Quote
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