New "water"

[Nice_Bass]

First time fishing as a co-angler as i am between boats. 

Million dollar question, boaters plan IMO is way off whack for this body of water.  What and when should I downright disagree, I kept it cordial at introduction and only disagreed with his plan in theory, on the water, not sure how I am going to be able to handle a poor plan and no boat control. 

Anyhow, maybe the fish are chasing shad up the creeks? :-?

Guess I have just tore them up deep...

Any thoughts?

[Grey Wolf]

Voice your comcerns and when he doesn't listen try to do the best you can do.

[etommy28]

depends some tournys(most I fish) give you control of the boat half the day. if that is the case heck yes, it voice evey consern I have and if he does not listen you make it very clear you are gonna use your half the day. it will make some mad, some dont care but its the rules.

[JDK.]

if its a draw tourney and you are assigned a boater you have no say.. hes in control you just do the best you can and hope you got a good boater.. if its a team tourney then you talk about the plan

[fishfordollars]

Get it out of your head. It's the luck of the draw and you just have to make the best of it. I've had it happen many times. Be on killer fish during practice and draw a boater that has no clue. Exactly why i refuse to fish as a nonboater.

[Matt Fly]

I'm with Jack, I'm not gonna fish as a co boater in that format.

     If you haven't had a sniff in a few hours, it can't hurt to mention you are a local on this lake, and you were on some fish recently that could help both of you out.

    At least you tried, and if he doesn't try, well, thats the risk you took in a draw format.

[5bass]

I'm with ffd. If I was in between boats I wouldn't even consider fishing as co angler for the very reasons you stated.

Otherwise, you roll with the punches.

[Nice_Bass]

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Get it out of your head. It's the luck of the draw and you just have to make the best of it. I've had it happen many times. Be on killer fish during practice and draw a boater that has no clue. Exactly why i refuse to fish as a nonboater.

Learned the hard way this weekend.  Will not do that again.

Thanks.

[fishfordollars]

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Get it out of your head. It's the luck of the draw and you just have to make the best of it. I've had it happen many times. Be on killer fish during practice and draw a boater that has no clue. Exactly why i refuse to fish as a nonboater.

Learned the hard way this weekend. Will not do that again.

Thanks.

Sorry to hear this. Only 20% of the field of boaters in a tournament have a clue as to whats going on. Most, in fact, would do better to listen to the co angler, especially when they draw a local. Sad, but their ego gets in the way of catching fish.

[Catt]

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Get it out of your head. It's the luck of the draw and you just have to make the best of it. I've had it happen many times. Be on killer fish during practice and draw a boater that has no clue. Exactly why i refuse to fish as a nonboater.

Learned the hard way this weekend. Will not do that again.

Thanks.

Sorry to hear this. Only 20% of the field of boaters in a tournament have a clue as to whats going on. Most, in fact, would do better to listen to the co angler, especially when they draw a local. Sad, but their ego gets in the way of catching fish.

Yelp, fished with an ole boy from Georgia in B.A.S.S. Top 150 on Toledo Bend in February I said go south he went north to Oklahoma.

[fishfordollars]

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Get it out of your head. It's the luck of the draw and you just have to make the best of it. I've had it happen many times. Be on killer fish during practice and draw a boater that has no clue. Exactly why i refuse to fish as a nonboater.

Learned the hard way this weekend. Will not do that again.

Thanks.

Sorry to hear this. Only 20% of the field of boaters in a tournament have a clue as to whats going on. Most, in fact, would do better to listen to the co angler, especially when they draw a local. Sad, but their ego gets in the way of catching fish.

Yelp, fished with an ole boy from Georgia in B.A.S.S. Top 150 on Toledo Bend in February I said go south he went north to Oklahoma.

Yep Catt, it really knaws on you when you are sitting there wasting the day when you can put them on the fish. Some of them are just lucky enough to have the time and money to fish the boater side. Only reason they are there. Sure ain't from their fish catching ability.

[gar-tracker]

The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

[Catt]

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The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

Depends on who is in the back seat 

[Nice_Bass]

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The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

In between boats, but I would disagree in that non boaters can provide good knowledge. 

I started off by saying, Man, you must not want to catch any fish...  He did not, but I tell you he sure stuck to his plan... I managed to catch a couple early top water, the next 6 hours were painfully long though.  You could cut the tension with a knife. 

[fishfordollars]

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The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

In between boats, but I would disagree in that non boaters can provide good knowledge.

I started off by saying, Man, you must not want to catch any fish... He did not, but I tell you he sure stuck to his plan... I managed to catch a couple early top water, the next 6 hours were painfully long though. You could cut the tension with a knife.

Personally, I would have ignored you to after a remark like that.

Discussion, not attacks, will go a long way. In fact, they should be covered at the angler meeting the both of you should have had the night before. If you are reasonably sure you are on fish, state the facts and openly discuss the reasons why you feel you can catch fish at another location. Otherwise, just make the best of it, or, better yet, spend the next week dropping fifty grand on your own ride.   

[boneil]

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The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

In between boats, but I would disagree in that non boaters can provide good knowledge.

I started off by saying, Man, you must not want to catch any fish... He did not, but I tell you he sure stuck to his plan... I managed to catch a couple early top water, the next 6 hours were painfully long though. You could cut the tension with a knife.

That's just a disrepectful comment.

[5bass]

When I first started fishing the local clubs (without boat) I had to fish with all kinds of different people. I found that most guys werent real keen on listening to other ideas and most had a great sounding plan of attack. There were certain guys that I knew we'd catch fish and others it was either feast or famine.

I think most guys who wont listen to other ideas get stuck fishing what the fish should be biting or where they think they should be and simply will not abandon that mindset long enough to find out the real deal. But more often than not, being inflexible and hardheaded like that bit them in the butt.

I can tell you this. If you draw me and my places dont work out in 3 or 4 hours, we will be visiting your spots.

[Nice_Bass]

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The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

In between boats, but I would disagree in that non boaters can provide good knowledge.

I started off by saying, Man, you must not want to catch any fish... He did not, but I tell you he sure stuck to his plan... I managed to catch a couple early top water, the next 6 hours were painfully long though. You could cut the tension with a knife.

Personally, I would have ignored you to after a remark like that.

Discussion, not attacks, will go a long way. In fact, they should be covered at the angler meeting the both of you should have had the night before. If you are reasonably sure you are on fish, state the facts and openly discuss the reasons why you feel you can catch fish at another location. Otherwise, just make the best of it, or, better yet, spend the next week dropping fifty grand on your own ride.

Said that after quite a while of poliet reccomendations.  Like I said, he did not catch a fish the entire day- I would have said the same thing to you ignoring it or not.  I told him 2 weeks before the water was too low for what he wanted to do, and the night before as well as i prefished without him.  He wanted nothing to do with catching fish, and had an attitude to match. BTW, picking up the new boat on Saturday. 

[Nice_Bass]

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The best way to combat this is buy a boat.

I'm in the "boater controls the boat" camp, I'll listen to the non boater but too many times the sentence starts off with , their catching them down........, soon as I hear that its done, many go chasing information, you'll never win that way.

In between boats, but I would disagree in that non boaters can provide good knowledge.

I started off by saying, Man, you must not want to catch any fish... He did not, but I tell you he sure stuck to his plan... I managed to catch a couple early top water, the next 6 hours were painfully long though. You could cut the tension with a knife.

That's just a disrepectful comment.

Disrespectful would be him wasteing my entry fee being stubborn.  I was only kidding btw, I only said that to him after about 3 1/2 4 hours of the same thing and after showing him on a map and depthfinder where the fish are.  He had no interest fishing deeper than 2ft of water. Trust me, you would have said the same thing. Small bream were not even that shallow with the water down as much as it was.

[Nice_Bass]

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When I first started fishing the local clubs (without boat) I had to fish with all kinds of different people. I found that most guys werent real keen on listening to other ideas and most had a great sounding plan of attack. There were certain guys that I knew we'd catch fish and others it was either feast or famine.

I think most guys who wont listen to other ideas get stuck fishing what the fish should be biting or where they think they should be and simply will not abandon that mindset long enough to find out the real deal. But more often than not, being inflexible and hardheaded like that bit them in the butt.

I can tell you this. If you draw me and my places dont work out in 3 or 4 hours, we will be visiting your spots.

Agreed, I have been guilty of beating the proverbial dead horse and sticking to what I had thought would work, however I have always wised up and changed, especially when fishing with someone else with ideas.

[J Francho]

It depends on the format, and rules.  Our club rules gives equal input to spots for both the boater and non boater.

[Nice_Bass]

Thanks again all for the input.  In retrospect, I have learned my lesson, and will watch my mouth in the future if in the same situation again.