Stoneyman Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 I often wonder why they don't have a world series for fishing, like say FLW vs Bassmaster Elite anglers. I just don't get how they have the fishing postseason setup. Same old boring story. They need to shake things up! Think it'll ever happen? Has there ever been talk about this kind of head to head match up? Quote
acesarcher Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 BASS will never do it, the FLW tries to set it up every year. The top FLW pros would destroy the top Bass pros. I think if you put the top 5 from each it would be even but the FLW pros are much deeper than the Elites....This year anyway. With all the loss in FLW sponsership dollars there are quite a few of the big FLW sticks fishing the opens this year and qualifying to fish the Elites next year. Within a few years the Elites really will be Elite! Quote
bmadd Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 BASS will never do it, the FLW tries to set it up every year. The top FLW pros would destroy the top Bass pros. I think if you put the top 5 from each it would be even but the FLW pros are much deeper than the Elites....This year anyway. With all the loss in FLW sponsership dollars there are quite a few of the big FLW sticks fishing the opens this year and qualifying to fish the Elites next year. Within a few years the Elites really will be Elite! Seriously? Where is your proof that FLW tries every year? Also, 6 of the top 15 open spots are FLW pros. Ever consider that the reason they are trying to get into the Elite is because they believe it is more competitive? Quote
etommy28 Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 isnt this basically PAA, and it is fairly even, but slightlu towards the elites as far as finishes Quote
Super User 5bass Posted July 19, 2010 Super User Posted July 19, 2010 I think if you took the Top 20 Elites and put them against the Top 20 from the FLW Tour in a combined weight tournament, the Elite guys would come out on top. Any lake, any date. Quote
BASSINATORBIGJOE Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 I think if you took the Top 20 Elites and put them against the Top 20 from the FLW Tour in a combined weight tournament, the Elite guys would come out on top. Any lake, any date. X2 Mike 8-) Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 19, 2010 Super User Posted July 19, 2010 Bassmaster AOY Standings 2010 vs FLW Cup Standings 2010 I first looked @ the top 5, Bassmaster easily Then the top 20 like five.bass.limit suggested, Bassmaster easily And since they were all on one page the top 50, Bassmaster easily Quote
Super User Matt Fly Posted July 22, 2010 Super User Posted July 22, 2010 Until these guys fish on the same waters in the same tournament against each other, I don't think you can predict the outcomes so easily, both leagues play on different playing fields and weights don't prove much at all with the different current formats. I'm sorry, if a tournament was in Florida and Peter T is in it, or one of the Lane boys, then they would have just as much a shot at it as an BASS guy. Luke Clausen has already went toe to toe with the BASS and won the Classic and it didn't take him long to prove that either, one year to go toe to toe with the Elites, and he WON IT ALL. Quote
Super User 5bass Posted July 22, 2010 Super User Posted July 22, 2010 Luke Clausen has already went toe to toe with the BASS and won the Classic and it didn't take him long to prove that either, one year to go toe to toe with the Elites, and he WON IT ALL. Luke had been fishing BASS for 4 or 5 years when he won the Classic. It looked like it was only one year because he was fishing both tours when he won it. After his Classic win, he went all FLW. Quote
rubba bubba Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Luke Clausen has already went toe to toe with the BASS and won the Classic and it didn't take him long to prove that either, one year to go toe to toe with the Elites, and he WON IT ALL. A single data point proves nothing. To counter, I'll submit last years Forrest Wood cup (FLW's version of the Classic) - first and second place was won by BASS Elite's Hackney and Iaconelli. The only real way to compare is to analyze the stats for tournaments that held both sides' anglers in them to see who finished where. Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 27, 2010 Super User Posted July 27, 2010 Luke Clausen has already went toe to toe with the BASS and won the Classic and it didn't take him long to prove that either, one year to go toe to toe with the Elites, and he WON IT ALL. A single data point proves nothing. To counter, I'll submit last years Forrest Wood cup (FLW's version of the Classic) - first and second place was won by BASS Elite's Hackney and Iaconelli. The only real way to compare is to analyze the stats for tournaments that held both sides' anglers in them to see who finished where. The only real way to compare is to put them on the water Quote
rubba bubba Posted July 27, 2010 Posted July 27, 2010 The only real way to compare is to analyze the stats for tournaments that held both sides' anglers in them to see who finished where. The only real way to compare is to put them on the water Um, isn't that what comparing the results for when they competed in the same tournaments means? : Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 27, 2010 Super User Posted July 27, 2010 The only real way to compare is to analyze the stats for tournaments that held both sides' anglers in them to see who finished where. The only real way to compare is to put them on the water Um, isn't that what comparing the results for when they competed in the same tournaments means? : Statistics are nothing more than interesting information, the guy that won yesterday could quite easily bomb tomorrow. How often ya see someone win back to back tournaments? Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted July 27, 2010 BassResource.com Administrator Posted July 27, 2010 Given you won't get them all on the water at the same time, then statistics are the next best thing. Quote
rubba bubba Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Statistics are nothing more than interesting information, the guy that won yesterday could quite easily bomb tomorrow. How often ya see someone win back to back tournaments? Please explain to me how statistics from when they competed head to head in the same tournament is different than you saying they need to be on the water? They were on the water together. Of course "on any given Sunday", the worst team or individual can defeat the best team but does that mean they are really the best? Of course not; once again you fall back on the single data point. That is not the indicator to determine who is better overall. You put those anglers (or any sports team) together in a best of 5/7/10 competition series and invariably the better team will win out. I know you know this so I'm not sure why you would want to debate semantically on single-point in time valuation. Skeet Reese didn't win every single tournament; he lost to guys that aren't even in the top 25. Does that mean they are better than him? To be better than someone you don't have to beat them every time, just more often than they beat you. But again, I'm not telling you something you don't already know. Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted July 28, 2010 BassResource.com Administrator Posted July 28, 2010 Ok guys, time to stop the "I'm right, you're wrong" debate. It's pointless and, quite frankly, annoying to the rest of us. Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 28, 2010 Super User Posted July 28, 2010 It's hard to say you will never see a sanctioned head to head competition between the two orgs, but it's safe to say not anytime soon. Who knows, B.A.S.S. is up for sale and FLW has sponsor issues, it may fold back into one org. I believe B.A.S.S. created FLW by refusing to listen to their pros and scheduling conflicts with open events and locations. FLW listened and offered a venue that lets new upcoming stars a chance to make enough money regionally and fish big money events and several B.A.S.S. pros moved over to FLW. Western anglers that want to fish B.A.S.S. must move east due to scheduling locations, they don't need to relocate to fish FLW events and still make money. When you look at the opens, the top finishers are split between FLW and B.A.S.S. when the Elite series anglers get a rare chance to fish the same open events. WRB Quote
CAdeltaLipRipper Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 because most likely the bassmasters would blow most of them away Aw dude sweet i just noticed im a full member now! ;Dhahaha Quote
CAdeltaLipRipper Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 BASS will never do it, the FLW tries to set it up every year. The top FLW pros would destroy the top Bass pros. I think if you put the top 5 from each it would be even but the FLW pros are much deeper than the Elites....This year anyway. With all the loss in FLW sponsership dollars there are quite a few of the big FLW sticks fishing the opens this year and qualifying to fish the Elites next year. Within a few years the Elites really will be Elite! Uhhh....no. Notice there are a lot more flw pros because its easier to become one. Notice how their fish are twinkies compared to the bassmasters.The bassmasters have legends like KVD skeet reese rick clunn...flw pros would get blown away dude. Although i love jay yelas though hes one of the nicest guys ive ever met Quote
CAdeltaLipRipper Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I think if you took the Top 20 Elites and put them against the Top 20 from the FLW Tour in a combined weight tournament, the Elite guys would come out on top. Any lake, any date. X2 Mike 8-) X3 son 8-) Quote
swimbait Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 What a pointless argument, oh wait. All arguments are pointless. : :-? Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted July 29, 2010 Super User Posted July 29, 2010 What a pointless argument, oh wait. All arguments are pointless. : :-? Just look at who is arguing , that says it all. Quote
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