Biosonix

[Shad_Master]

One article I read right after the classic said that KVD was using one of these and said that this was what made the difference for him.  Are these things legal in tournaments?  Are any of you guys using one? and with what results?

[Shad_Master]

A reply to my own post - of course they are legal or he wouldn't be using one and certainly not telling everybody :-[.  But the rest of the post is still there, are you guys using this thing?

[MoBassFishN]

Either they ain't using them or they ain't telling! :

[BASSMAN1301599783]

What is it?

[DDbasser]

I did a search and found their website,

it's basically an electronic fish call it plays a

recording of distressed bait fish being fed on by predatory fish.

I found them at Bass pro for $699.99

kinda pricey but i'd trade $699.99 for $200,000

If any one out there is using one please let us know if they work.

[MoBassFishN]

Well, to each their own. Here is something from a BASS Insider write up. this is copied and pasted.

For VanDam though, it wasn't the first tournament won using Biosonix. VanDam is 3 and 0 with his Biosonix on at this point. The Classic was his third straight BASS win using the innovative product. During the last two BASS Elite 50 wins at Lake Lewisville, Texas, and Wissota, Wis., VanDam won those tournaments with his Biosonix Fish Activator.

VanDam first got a Biosonix Fish Activator from the manufacturer in March, 2005, says the company's PR guy, Wes Higgins. At first skeptical, VanDam started using the Biosonix unit at the Table Rock Lake E-50 event in late March. Fishing with it, VanDam was in first place after the first two days. On the third day, he had to switch out of his own boat, and inadvertently left the Biosonix Fish Activator behind. Whether through coincidence or fate, without the Biosonix, VanDam fell out of the competition on the third day.

At the next E-50 event in April on Smith Lake, VanDam was in first place again using the Biosonix unit until he bumped and broke the underwater sound-emitting speaker and again the Michigan angler sunk lower into the standings without being able to use the Biosonix. At the next event at Wissota, VanDam again won it using the Biosonix.

By this time, VanDam had shed all skepticism, and held a strong belief that Biosonix was helping him win, says Wes Higgins.

Every tournament Kevin VanDam has started and finished using the Biosonix, he has won (the Classic, Wissota E-50 and Lewisville E-50).

Scary, huh?

Has Marty Stone won three major tournament in a row? Has anyone for that matter? I'm not promoting it, but I also have no personal experience with it and won't rush to make a judgement other than having the personal opinion that they should be outlawed in tournaments for the above reason. It'll only do more to widen the gap of classes of fisherman if they do work.

[Shad_Master]

A guy who knows a lot about a lot, but not as much as he thinks he knows :-/ told me that the guy who invented this used to work for the Japanese Navy and his job was to study sound and how to make submarines undetectable to sonar.  According to my acuaintence, the guy has fish ponds all over his property and has been recording underwater sounds for years (fish, crawdads, etc.) and has been a consultant to Lucky Craft Baits in helping to design them by monitoring the sounds they make in the water.  At $600 a pop, I don't think I will be getting one soon, but it sure seems like they are on to something.

[IrishJig]

Well,  we have a fishfinder to locate fish that are deep under the boat.  We now have a machine that brings the deep fish right to your boat.  We have underwater cameras to see the fish as they come near the boat... If only thay had a machine that forced the fish to jump into the livewell we would have no need for the rod and reel.

At some point it becomes more like a video game.  I thought the point of actually going out onto the lake was to get away from video games and have fun trying to figure the fish out??

If there is $200,000 on the line, then you have to do what you have to do for the better of your family, but a lot of this sounds rediculous when it is being used by a weekend fisherman.

[flippnfish]

When watching the video of KVD from the classic. Anyone see a Biosonix sitting on the front deck... HELL NO!!! Another gimmick to catch anglers..not fish!! Kenyon Hill has been sponsored by them for a couple of years... What has he done? Anglers say they use alot of crap...It puts sponsor money in the pocket..

[Shad_Master]

You know, I remember guys tellin me Senkos don't work either, 'course he was selling Chompers and didn't carry Senkos.  It's all about promotion, but I can't buy into the concept that all professional bass fishermen are prostitutes.  I'm sure some are, just like people in my business.  But if you are gonna put your name and your reputation out there for something like this that absolutely doesn't work, you won't be pullin in the johns for long.

[IrishJig]

The industry forces them to sell themselves to the highest bidder.  Until the tournaments stop charging the anglers to fish, they are forced to sell products that they might not believe in just to afford to be able to fish.

A pro angler should never fish a season and end up in the red.  Athletes in other individual sports do not have to pay to play, and if ESPN can bring in some real sponsors for the tour then I bet you will see the anglers stop selling products endlessly.  

With the selling of everything else in sports (This pitching change is brought to you by Rolaids Relief...) why not sell the rights to the tournaments.  I would still watch the "Bassmaster Cialis Elite 100 at Lake Guntersville" (ala nascar).  I just think that with all the attention the sport is getting from ESPN some sponsorship dollars have to start rolling in soon.

[kbj3579]

Irish.  I agree totally.  Well said.

[MoBassFishN]

I agree IrishJig, but it doesn't look like it's going to be short term. I just read that they are thinking about some major changes for next year and turning the Opens into Elite 100's with a $5000 price tag. Considering there are about 50 anglers making a good living fishing tournaments, it's going to be 50 great anglers and 50 rich guys competing. I guess that's one way to pick up sponsors!  :

[IrishJig]

I read that too.  And it seems like they are going in the wrong direction.  They need to figure out a way to decrease the entry fees, not double them.

[MoBassFishN]

I think the biggest problem is that ESPN is looking for the quick fix. As a matter of fact, I think they've proven it with their changes and all of the changed changes. LOL They are coming off as a bunch of incompetant idiots! Why do they have the problems with not bringing in the big sponsors like the PGA does? Participation is at an all time high. Spectator showings have been outstanding! In the past, they have added to entry fees somewhere short of $1,000,000 for the years payouts with sponsorship money, yet this years drops considerably in their preliminary payout schedule. ESPN may have deep pockets, unfortunately, the seem to only want to line them with the sponsorship money that is coming in rather than grow the sport. I think it's basically coming down to a get rich quick scheme by the executives! If it keeps going in the direction it's going, I don't think we'll be discussing it within the next couple years. Also, if the PAA starts putting on their own events, I can see things going to hell in a hand bag real quick. ESPN needs to drop back to a good set of rules from a couple years ago and run the season with them and totally revamp in the future using input from the PAA. All I can say for sure is that right now, it's a mess!

[Shad_Master]

All you need to know about ESPN -- in between the coverage of the Classic, they were airing competitive eating matches

[IrishJig]

MoB - I have a hard time believing that ESPN is pocketing a lot of money from the tour, considering that they are hardly a floundering organization.  I just have to believe that the sponsor contracts are still relatively inexpensive.  If they signed contracts just a few years ago, it could have been before ESPN bought BASS, and they are not getting paid fair market value for their product.  

[MoBassFishN]

Well, IRish, your gonna believe what your gonna believe. They are a corporation. They are not in business to give things away. I don't mind them making money. I just feel that the wealth has to be spread around.

[Shad_Master]

Will it catch 'em all -- NO.  Will it catch some that wouldn't be caught otherwise -- MAYBE.  Will I spend $600 for one -- Who are you kidding? : ???

[Bowtech_Freak]

I have seen Bill Dance on his show using the biosonix, He lowered an underwater camera and there were fish hanging around it, although when he was making the sound they did'nt seem to react to it. Im with the rest of you I beleive its a gimmick, and if it does work there probably will be other companies produceing cheaper models later on. right now there to pricey to just buy epescially without being  sure it works.  

[Matt Fly]

The older generation has paid their dues, You really think KVD, Clunn, Bauer, and others alike reach into their pockets for entry fees.

The reference towards pulling bigger sponsers and atheletes applies mostly towards players with salaries.  You want to start charging gate admission on tournament day?  That will help the prize money out.   Not all Fortune 500 companies want to give a milion dollar donation for 5-15,000 spectators and small TV audiences.  Not profitable!  Its not like the NBA, NFL, Nascar,  Its not one of those sports yet,  believe it or not.  It is to me, but I'm only one out of millions.

Ike, He's loud , he's good, he's young and market able. If I was selling a fishing product, why wouldn't I won't him. He has one of the biggest followings on water, and I haven't seen Ike run to the cameras asking for face time, seems to me, they follow him around giving him face time. Besides, he's getting paid to do a job. Promote products. Thats just smart, good business. Even his own products.  

KVD is getting paid or compensated for his air time.  Do you think he's not going to promote it?

We try and do the same things as biosonix, we add rattles,  beads and weights for c-rigs,  modify our buzz baits for less splash, noise or more.  We just aren't spending 600.00+ for the noise.  What can I add to my arsenal for that kind of money.  Excuse me, I think the Bait monkey is knocking at my door!!!LOL

[xpress19]

I have lots of electronics on my boat including a underwater camera.

It seams to me you cant make fish feed even when you see them under the boat ...

Unless you sit on them and make them strike by cast after cast ...

Not so sure about this one ....

I put the question to my wife about spending 700 for the unit, she mentioned something about going over, or my dead body ....or something like that ...

[bassguy6]

KVD pushing Biosonix  Bill Dance pushing Biosonix sounds like these advertisers just caught a young gun who is proven he is a tournament winner, and also hooked a legend to push their product.  Good fisherman know what does and doesn't catch fish.  in my opinion someone who knows weather conditions, tide, presentation, lure choice and finding a good location should be all an angler needs.  take care and god bless

[finesseHOGG]

Apparently you are not aware that Aaron Martens recently won the US Open by 7 lbs. and gave credit to BSX. He's not sponsored. If he keeps it up I'm sure he will be. But, all I'm saying is that just because the company has picked the right people to promote their product doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

Also, did you realize that it had been 3 years since KVD had won a tourney prior to getting a BSX. Then he won three straight tourneys in a row with the BSX. Enough said.

[iowa_bass]

You can think what you want about the unit, but when KVD goes and wins 3 tourn. in a row with and then Aaron Martens goes and wins what some people call the toughest tournament to win in the the country(WON Bass U.S. Open) by a little more than 7 lbs. with it.  There must be more to it.  I agree that a weekend fisherman does not need to spend a whole paycheck on one, but if you are going to try and compete with the best don't you want every advantage you can get.  If you are not a believer than know you do not need one, but don't knock it until you try it.