Super User senile1 Posted February 23, 2009 Super User Posted February 23, 2009 Done right, there is nothing wrong with swinging a fish. Swing it over the boat and grab the fish or line on its way in... Done right, the fish never touches the carpet. If the fish is too big to catch on the way in, reach over the side and lip it. I swing a fish now and then, but only if I can swing it to my hand as Flechero stated. If it appears a bit large to swing, it's best to reach down and lip it, IMO.
spin king Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Does anyone have any actual evidence that letting the fish touch the carpet will kill them? Just curious. Post a link.
Super User senile1 Posted February 23, 2009 Super User Posted February 23, 2009 Does anyone have any actual evidence that letting the fish touch the carpet will kill them? Just curious. Post a link. It doesn't directly kill them. It removes the protective slime coat from their bodies which makes them more susceptible to bacteria that can kill them.
bass wrangler569 Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Ike is one of the worst, fish banging every part of the boat before he does his break dance. Granted a fish to me isnt worth hundreds of thousands of dollars but their promoting of the sport is lacking. Yea he's pretty bad about that. Did anyone else notice how he held his fish horizontally by the lip, it'll be a miracle if those fish don't have broken jaws. To top it off when he gets a big bass he starts shaking it like crazy. I like Ike but he needs some improved bass handling skills.
Super User Tin Posted February 23, 2009 Super User Posted February 23, 2009 Ike is one of the worst, fish banging every part of the boat before he does his break dance. Granted a fish to me isnt worth hundreds of thousands of dollars but their promoting of the sport is lacking. x3 Day one there was something wrong with him like his nerves or something. I dont know whether or not he was setting on timber or fish but there were some weak hooksets and they have footage of 3 or 4 weak hooksets followed by a fish coming unbuttoned. Granted I have not won a classic but did anyone else notice something wrong with those hooksets? Thought he was using a jig.... :-?
NYfishwow Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Ike is one of the worst, fish banging every part of the boat before he does his break dance. Granted a fish to me isnt worth hundreds of thousands of dollars but their promoting of the sport is lacking. x3 Day one there was something wrong with him like his nerves or something. I dont know whether or not he was setting on timber or fish but there were some weak hooksets and they have footage of 3 or 4 weak hooksets followed by a fish coming unbuttoned. Granted I have not won a classic but did anyone else notice something wrong with those hooksets? Thought he was using a jig.... :-? Mike is living the dream, give dude a break, you would scream too if you almost won bass masters classic. Thats what makes Mike a super bass star.
flippincrazy Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Nets can remove slime also. Were so quick to rip metal hooks through a fish mouth, but freak when they touch carpet. It's the classic relax. I've let fish touch the deck and flop around. I've also helped revive fish for 10 minutes so they would swim off. These pros care about the fish just as much as we do. Lets just be positive that the classic is as big as it is and we can actually see them letting fish touch the carpet on cable tv.
Super User senile1 Posted February 23, 2009 Super User Posted February 23, 2009 Nets can remove slime also. Were so quick to rip metal hooks through a fish mouth, but freak when they touch carpet. It's the classic relax. I've let fish touch the deck and flop around. I've also helped revive fish for 10 minutes so they would swim off. These pros care about the fish just as much as we do. Lets just be positive that the classic is as big as it is and we can actually see them letting fish touch the carpet on cable tv. Yes, even nets made of rubber remove some slime. So I don't use nets nor do I allow my fish to lay on my carpet if I can avoid it. The whole point is to avoid what might damage the fish if we are going to release it. We can avoid rubbing the slime coat off of fish if we try. As for hooks, I don't know of anyway to avoid using them, do you? If you can come up with a sporting way to catch fish so that we can avoid hooking them in the mouth, you may become a very rich man.
arul Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 "Laying your all your fish across the carpet of the boats is unprofessional and doesn't promote our sport at all." Besides the damage it does to the bass. Can you explain what this does to the fish? I suppose it removes the protective slime they have? Won't it just come back? I don't understand why laying a fish on the ground or having it flop for a few seconds is any more cruel to the fish than hooking it, confining, bagging it, laying it in a bucket with a piece of plexiglass on top of it... I know we all want to conserve and protect the resource, but other than "looking bad" what does this tactic do that isn't already being done?
arul Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Just read a few posts more to my sentiment. I am not convinced laying a fish on the carpet is any worse than what we do to it by catching it, and don't have a problem with it. Also, good point about fisheries biologists. Those guys handle the fish WAY more rough than any carpet flop.. cheers
Md Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Things are getting a little carried away here IMO. What's next, we shouldn't be putting fish in a live well or weigh in bag because we may cause them mental trauma? It is our responsibility to handle the fish with the most RESPECT and CARE possible, and that's all we can do. After fishing some FLW events last year, I know that they make you dip your weigh in bag and fish in water with some kind of medicine that's supposed to help out with the slime coat. Keep in mind it wasn't too long ago that all of the fish caught in tournaments were not returned to the water. They were hung a stick for all to see. I too would like to see the study linking slime removal and fish deaths. I bet more fish die in the tournament circuits from air bladder problems than anything else.
bass wrangler569 Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Just read a few posts more to my sentiment. I am not convinced laying a fish on the carpet is any worse than what we do to it by catching it, and don't have a problem with it. Also, good point about fisheries biologists. Those guys handle the fish WAY more rough than any carpet flop.. cheers The only thing that happens to a bass during a typical fight is temporary exhaustion and a small hole in the mouth. A bass is wet in the water and your hands should be wet when you handle a fish. The fish are then stored in a wet livewell. The fish are carried to the scale in a wet rubber bag and the bucket and plexiglass lid used at the weigh ins are wet too. This is all to protect the bass' slime coat. Letting a bass flop around on the dry carpet of your boat removes the slime coat, which, as someone else already said, protects the bass from diseases/infections/parasites. Without this slimecoat they are much more susceptible to a fatal diseases/infections/parasites. Oh, and all the fisheries biologists that I have met have taken the necessary precautions to protect the fish that they handle.
Bass Dude Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Just read a few posts more to my sentiment. I am not convinced laying a fish on the carpet is any worse than what we do to it by catching it, and don't have a problem with it. Also, good point about fisheries biologists. Those guys handle the fish WAY more rough than any carpet flop.. cheers The only thing that happens to a bass during a typical fight is temporary exhaustion and a small hole in the mouth. A bass is wet in the water and your hands should be wet when you handle a fish. The fish are then stored in a wet livewell. The fish are carried to the scale in a wet rubber bag and the bucket and plexiglass lid used at the weigh ins are wet too. This is all to protect the bass' slime coat. Letting a bass flop around on the dry carpet of your boat removes the slime coat, which, as someone else already said, protects the bass from diseases/infections/parasites. Without this slimecoat they are much more susceptible to a fatal diseases/infections/parasites. Oh, and all the fisheries biologists that I have met have taken the necessary precautions to protect the fish that they handle. When we did our studies we used rubber gloves, but that was to protect us from the eletric current used in electro-fishing, it was not to protect the slime coat. I don't know how you can pluck scales off a fish without removing the slime coat! We obviously didn't do anything intentional to harm the fish, but we didn't handle them as if they were the last known fish of the species either. Stomach analysis is even more fun. You have a syringe full of water and then force the water down their throats to make them regurgitate whats in their stomach.
mase088 Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 First of all I think this is a little ridiculous, flopping on the carpet for a second or 2 isn't going to be nearly as much of a deal as sitting the fish in a dry bag for a few minutes while they weigh in. And for whoever said the bag is wet, that's only the water that was on the fish to begin with, they don't pour water in the bag. But I do think carpet culling and other things like that should be cut out. For example, When Skeet Reese caught his last fish of the day, it was too big to swing and he lipped it. He then picked it up, dropped it from a standing position with his arms by his side to the floor, and turned to his fans in boats surrounding him to start cheering. After the cheering he turned around and picked up the fish to put it in the livewell. While that still isn't a big deal to me, it shouldn't have been done, swinging the fish onto the carpet is one thing. But if you're going to lip it, at least do it right.
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 23, 2009 Super User Posted February 23, 2009 Wow! Not much love here...Pro bashing is not what we're about. I think your points have been made, let's move on. Goodnight Irene -Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior Global Moderator
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