BassResource.com Advertiser FD. Posted March 8, 2008 BassResource.com Advertiser Posted March 8, 2008 After fishing both boater and non-boater this past year here are a few things that I have already incorporated and the rest of you should.... 1. There is never a good reason to go 80 mph across rough water in a tournament that had a $70 entry fee... 2. In most formats the non-boater has the right to choose locations for 1/2 of the day. Why don't you shut up about your spots and follow the rules. 3. I have always paid more than the suggested amount to my boater....and I have had to listen to all the complaints about the no-good sobs who did not pay. Do you think YOU could empty one the 14 storage compartments on board so I have somewhere to put my lunch and rain gear. 4. Just because you are the boater does not mean you are better than me. For the record not all non-boaters are dead beat no skill guys who don't own a boat. My boat is nicer than yours and there is a better than 50% chance that I am going to beat you. 5. Even if you are competing against the back seat guy, have integrity as a boat captain. I take it personally if I DON"T put my non-boater on fish. You do realize that there are more important things in life than than the $157 dollar check you could get for 3rd place. If you are offended by this post, to bad...That means you are probably the guy that gives the rest of us a bad name. Quote
BillyBob Posted March 8, 2008 Posted March 8, 2008 Doesn't sound like your having fun. You could be up here with 25 feet of snow! Quote
Shad_Master Posted March 8, 2008 Posted March 8, 2008 Here and in the other post about non-boaters there are always good 'uns and bad 'uns - I try to pick the good 'uns when I can and chalk it up to experience when I get a bad 'un. All of my tournament fishing is at the club level and there have only been a couple of times when I felt like I had been front-ended. But both of those guys are real neat individuals and I would fun fish with them any time. But I have heard stories and seen things that frustrate the begeezus out of me. I have also had some guys in the back of my boat that I never asked back because they whined all day even when they were catching fish. Changing partners in the boat is easier than changing parners in a marriage. Quote
CJ Posted March 8, 2008 Posted March 8, 2008 Quote After fishing both boater and non-boater this past year here are a few things that I have already incorporated and the rest of you should.... My boat is nicer than yours and there is a better than 50% chance that I am going to beat you. : If you are offended by this post, to bad...That means you are probably the guy that gives the rest of us a bad name. It's post like these that give some tournament fisherman a bad name. You might need to consider finding a new club! CJ Quote
BassResource.com Advertiser FD. Posted March 8, 2008 Author BassResource.com Advertiser Posted March 8, 2008 I don't need a new club, I fish in several clubs and three divisions of the ABA. And overall I have had a great experience fishing tournaments. What irritated me is the numerous posts and complaints I hear about the non boaters and their responsibilities and no one ever holding a boater responsible for their actions. It seems that just by being a "boater" you are exempt from any criticism. Quote
CJ Posted March 8, 2008 Posted March 8, 2008 The one thing I've learned as a fisherman and in life, that benefitted me the most, was to be likeable. This pertains to boater/co-angler formats especially. The more you are able to get along with a boater, the better day both of you will have. Even if you draw the rare jerk, your chances of being treated properly will be better if you don't stoop down to their level. Show them what kindness is, don't go to war with them or, chances are, neither of you will be going to the pay window. If you board the boat looking for troubles, you'll probally find them. CJ Quote
HesterIsGod Posted March 8, 2008 Posted March 8, 2008 Quote 1. There is never a good reason to go 80 mph across rough water in a tournament that had a $70 entry fee... My brother-in-law complains about that all the time Quote
warmer Posted March 12, 2008 Posted March 12, 2008 Quote If you are offended by this post, to bad...That means you are probably the guy that gives the rest of us a bad name. lee, was i really that bad a parter Quote
thetr20one Posted March 17, 2008 Posted March 17, 2008 At the club level here I found there to be more frontending than partner or open formats. Reasons here were the older gentlemen that lacked the skillset still had a competitive drive that refused to accept a hostile takeover by younger, more knowledgeble (YES, SORRY.) "kids". I was forced to non-boat for 5 tourneys when I started club fishing and about quit before I went on to win "MR. BASS" TOP TEN CHAMP and large and smallmouth lunker of the year 5 consecutive years. Plus the largest limit ever recorded in the club, largest yearly total and every other record in their book. Literally! (Another member that fished with me has the second largest total on their books) I always made sure my non boaters were on fish. Everyone knew the frontenders and dreaded to fish with them. I left and never looked back. My father still fishes with them and I still talk to some, but They didn't make any adjustments to keep younger guys and non-boaters comfortable. Now my prob is keeping my partner out of the trees. I dont care if he cast under my arm as long as he keeps his lure in action! Quote
Rayraff Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Quote After fishing both boater and non-boater this past year here are a few things that I have already incorporated and the 1. There is never a good reason to go 80 mph across rough water in a tournament that had a $70 entry fee... Give every tourney your all, because once you get to the big games you have to know how to play big. If I have to get to my spot a half an hour away I am going to go as fast as I can no matter how much I payed for the entry. Quote
Super User Alpster Posted March 18, 2008 Super User Posted March 18, 2008 Quote The one thing I've learned as a fisherman and in life, that benefitted me the most, was to be likeable. This pertains to boater/co-angler formats especially. The more you are able to get along with a boater, the better day both of you will have. Even if you draw the rare jerk, your chances of being treated properly will be better if you don't stoop down to their level. Show them what kindness is, don't go to war with them or, chances are, neither of you will be going to the pay window. If you board the boat looking for troubles, you'll probally find them. CJ Excellent post CJ. Especially the last sentence. It's true no matter what you are doing. Ronnie Quote
Tokyo Tony Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 Quote At the club level here I found there to be more frontending than partner or open formats. Reasons here were the older gentlemen that lacked the skillset still had a competitive drive that refused to accept a hostile takeover by younger, more knowledgeble (YES, SORRY.) "kids". I was forced to non-boat for 5 tourneys when I started club fishing and about quit before I went on to win "MR. BASS" TOP TEN CHAMP and large and smallmouth lunker of the year 5 consecutive years. Plus the largest limit ever recorded in the club, largest yearly total and every other record in their book. Literally! (Another member that fished with me has the second largest total on their books) I always made sure my non boaters were on fish. Everyone knew the frontenders and dreaded to fish with them. I left and never looked back. My father still fishes with them and I still talk to some, but They didn't make any adjustments to keep younger guys and non-boaters comfortable. Now my prob is keeping my partner out of the trees. I dont care if he cast under my arm as long as he keeps his lure in action! I'm assuming "every other record in their book" does not include the trophy for the most humble angler : Quote
CJ Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 You know Tony....(hold on i'm still laughing)..... :-X! Just go listen to the latest Brad Pasley hit. Quote
warmer Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 Quote Quote At the club level here I found there to be more frontending than partner or open formats. Reasons here were the older gentlemen that lacked the skillset still had a competitive drive that refused to accept a hostile takeover by younger, more knowledgeble (YES, SORRY.) "kids". I was forced to non-boat for 5 tourneys when I started club fishing and about quit before I went on to win "MR. BASS" TOP TEN CHAMP and large and smallmouth lunker of the year 5 consecutive years. Plus the largest limit ever recorded in the club, largest yearly total and every other record in their book. Literally! (Another member that fished with me has the second largest total on their books) I always made sure my non boaters were on fish. Everyone knew the frontenders and dreaded to fish with them. I left and never looked back. My father still fishes with them and I still talk to some, but They didn't make any adjustments to keep younger guys and non-boaters comfortable. Now my prob is keeping my partner out of the trees. I dont care if he cast under my arm as long as he keeps his lure in action! I'm assuming "every other record in their book" does not include the trophy for the most humble angler : x2 Quote
TruflShufl Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 I've only fished one tourney, but I really got matched with a good boater, so maybe my opinion means nothing but here's how I think I'll approach every tournament (as a non-boater): I'm just as eager to get to the fishing spot as the boater is, we both want paychecks, if you can go 80mph across rough water without either of us dying then do it. I like at it this way: if it aint too rough of a ride for him, it aint too rough of a ride for me. I prepared to have zero storage. I carried as much as i could fit on my person and in my tackle bag. If I get some storage then cool, I can deflate some stuff out of my tackle bag, if not then that's fine, I'm prepared for the worst. Not all guys can afford to give up storage, and some guys don't have any storage to give up, that's fine by me. That's just my view on it. I try to not step on the other guy's toes. 8-) Quote
thetr20one Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 thetr20one wrote on Mar 17th, 2008, 7:21pm: At the club level here I found there to be more frontending than partner or open formats. Reasons here were the older gentlemen that lacked the skillset still had a competitive drive that refused to accept a hostile takeover by younger, more knowledgeble (YES, SORRY.) "kids". I was forced to non-boat for 5 tourneys when I started club fishing and about quit before I went on to win "MR. BASS" TOP TEN CHAMP and large and smallmouth lunker of the year 5 consecutive years. Plus the largest limit ever recorded in the club, largest yearly total and every other record in their book. Literally! (Another member that fished with me has the second largest total on their books) I always made sure my non boaters were on fish. Everyone knew the frontenders and dreaded to fish with them. I left and never looked back. My father still fishes with them and I still talk to some, but They didn't make any adjustments to keep younger guys and non-boaters comfortable. Now my prob is keeping my partner out of the trees. I dont care if he cast under my arm as long as he keeps his lure in action! I'm assuming "every other record in their book" does not include the trophy for the most humble angler x2 I would believe if you asked ANY of the anglers in the club they would tell you the absolutley opposite. I always kept them on fish, netted thier fish, shared lake and technique knowledge. I was well respected no Doubt about it friends. Quote
hjerk24 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 I haven't read all the posts here, but as a boater now, I understand all the responsibilities as such. It is nice, though, to have a guy when you're a rider, give you the time, and consideration you are due. Thanks to all the awesome boaters out there, and the riders, we all have things to learn from one another. Either way, finding the fish is both participants job- and ultimate goal. Never Give Up! Quote
fishizzle Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 I strongly stronglyagree that there is no room for nonboaters stuff in the lockers. Instead I have to hold my tackle bag behind me while we are doing 70 mph and by butt clinched for a 1/2 hr I once opened a locker box by mistake looking for my livewell and saw a bunch of crap.. rusty rope, broken lures, cans etc. If the garbage was thrown away and neatened there would have been plenty of room for my humble bag and lunch that now rolls around on the floor. Quote
warmer Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Quote thetr20one wrote on Mar 17th, 2008, 7:21pm: I would believe if you asked ANY of the anglers in the club they would tell you the absolutley opposite. opposite of what? humility? are you a scientologist by any chance? brother man, i am confident you are very good w/ a rod in your hand, and i do hope that your manner is far less self-congratulatory and prideful than it translates in the medium of typed word, but i would guess that were i your non-boater i would be tempted to smile and nod counting the minutes when i didnt have to hear your stats and advice. Quote
Tokyo Tony Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Lol, here's an oxymoron for you: Bragging about how humble you are. It sounds like you're quite an angler, but let's get serious. Quote
thetr20one Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 You guys have the wrong impression of me. I have been fed my share of humble pie. But really I always took on the newer members under my wing and shared info. I tend to be cocky but that is just part of my confidence. I study and gather as much info as possible. I practice as much as possible and hone my skills. Weather its in my pool or at the lake on an off day Quote
thetr20one Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 And I am a Christian. I helped that club turnaround by bringing in fresh blood. Just the infusion the needed. They gave me leeway for the smack talk because of the good thihgs I brought to the club. Besides even the older guys talked the smack too! Quote
wballard77 Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 80mph. + 1/2 hour away + $70.00 entry = $140.00 ;D Quote
warmer Posted March 24, 2008 Posted March 24, 2008 Quote 80mph. + 1/2 hour away + $70.00 entry = $140.00 ;D if your co-angler splits the gas with you right? cause if you are burning through only $70 for an hour of running 80 i need to change motors. 225 merc opti on a 20'6" stratos i burn: 20gph @ 72mph 15gph @ 60mph 10gph @ 45-50mph Quote
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