Kel Tec's high capacity defense shotgun

[Micro]

Never been a fan of Kel Tec looks, but I gotta say this is one cool looking and neatly conceived shotgun.  14 rounds, parallel magazines, bottom eject, bullpup pump shotgun.   No price, yet.

[Dan:]

That is a very interesting design. That is a d**n large magazine capacity. That gun would require additional documentation than the norm to purchase in VA.

Any word on how much it weighs?

[Micro]

It wouldn't require anymore documentation than any other shotgun.  Unless the store has some internal policy that would require it. 

No info on weights.  It's not even on Kel Tec's website yet.

[bassdocktor]

Looks interesting but I think it would violate a few city and county laws by me.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

RCI XRAIL will do the same thing with quite a few existing model shotguns.

Pretty sick looking, both of them.

[Dan:]

It wouldn't require anymore documentation than any other shotgun. Unless the store has some internal policy that would require it.

No info on weights. It's not even on Kel Tec's website yet.

As far as I'm aware, that capacity would define it as an "assault weapon" under VA law. That should require proof of citizenship unless I'm mistaken. Although that proof of citizenship requirement might only be on the federal form and the federal government's definition of assault weapons wouldn't apply to that particular shotgun.

[farmpond1]

"Defense"?!  Looks like a gun for killing lots of people to me.

[K_Mac]

"Defense"?! Looks like a gun for killing lots of people to me.

It is a Law Enforcement version. In a gun fight with bad guys 15 rnds is a good thing. I think it would make a fine brush gun for rabbits and birds, and if zombies attack...you're ready for that too. I could use it in Illinois as long as it was plugged to take only 2+1. :-?

[RussBert]

Very intriguing.

"Defense"?! Looks like a gun for killing lots of people to me.

Defense is mindset, NOT hardware

[Micro]

As far as I'm aware, that capacity would define it as an "assault weapon" under VA law. That should require proof of citizenship unless I'm mistaken. Although that proof of citizenship requirement might only be on the federal form and the federal government's definition of assault weapons wouldn't apply to that particular shotgun.

Does Virginia even define "assault weapon?"  I don't think it does.  VA gun laws are pretty loose compared to most other states.  You are welcome to put hundred round mags on your guns if you can find them.   I don't think Virginia is any more restrictive than the National Firearms Act in terms of what you can own. 

Now, I wouldn't put it past some politician in the future of trying to ban is as a revamped version of the "Streep Sweeper" which is regulated under the NFA.

[Dan:]

VA doesn't seem any more restrictive about what you own, it just wants buyers to prove they are citizens to buy "assault firearms."

§ 18.2-308.2:2

"In addition, no dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any assault firearm to any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence for purposes of purchasing an assault firearm, a dealer shall require a prospective purchaser to present a certified birth certificate or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department, a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, an unexpired U.S. passport, a United States citizen identification card, a current voter registration card, a current selective service registration card, or an immigrant visa or other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. "

Here's where I'm getting confused. In the above section, it says that "Assault firearm" "means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock."

...but in another section (§ 18.2-308.7) it says an "assault firearm" as "any (i) semi-automatic centerfire rifle or pistol which expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (ii) shotgun with a magazine which will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered."

So it looks like there are two definitions of "assault firearm" in the VA code. Each definition says, "as used in this section" so it's possible that the shotgun inclusion might only apply to § 18.2-308.7 which deals with carrying in public but NOT § 18.2-308.2:2 which deals with the transfer of firearms.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

Mmmm....Cobray Street Sweeper.

Just the thought of that thing makes ya feel like a badass.   ;D

[Micro]

It appears to me that the definition of the shotgun as an assault firearm is relevant only to the code regulating possession by those under 18, and not to the code regarding transfer.  The shotgun definition doesn't exist in the tranfer code, only the possession code.

Proving citizenship is as simple as showing your voter registration card.  Got mine in my wallet, right behind my concealed handgun permit  ;D.

God, I love this state.

[Dan:]

It appears to me that the definition of the shotgun as an assault firearm is relevant only to the code regulating possession by those under 18, and not to the code regarding transfer. The shotgun definition doesn't exist in the tranfer code, only the possession code.

Proving citizenship is as simple as showing your voter registration card. Got mine in my wallet, right behind my concealed handgun permit ;D.

God, I love this state.

Yep, I think that is the case. Very strange though, that they define the term two different ways within the code.

[bryand82487]

I would love to get one of those and one of these.  But Kel Tec guns are always impossible to get when they first come out.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/

[done]

I'd love to buy this when it comes out but I would need to load it with bean bag rounds so I could fend of my wife when she saw how much it cost, lol.

[Hookemdown.]

From Kel Tec's site...

The time for secrecy is nearing its end. This SHOT Show, Kel-Tec will be revealing its next ground-breaking product: the KSG (Kel-Tec Shotgun).

The KSG is our first entry into the shotgun market. The size, shape and design are similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle, but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9lbs and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1" overall length and an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 14 rounds of 12 gage 2-3/4" rounds (7 per tube). The simple and reliable pump action feeds from either the left or right tube. The feed side is manually selected by a lever located behind the trigger guard. The lever can be positioned in the center detent in order to easily clear the chamber without feeding another round from either magazine. A cross bolt style safety blocks the sear, and the pump release lever is located in front of the trigger guard.

The pump includes an under Picatinny rail for the mounting of a forward grip, or a light or laser. The included top Picatinny sight rail will accept many types of optics or iron sights. Forward and rear sling loops are built in, and a basic sling is included. The soft rubber butt pad helps to tame recoil.

MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.

And technically, this thing doesn't have a huge magazine capacity.  It actually has TWO 7 round mags from my understanding, but I could be wrong.  I think you have to manually switch the mags?

[Tin]

good fa whhen dem dere zombies be comin...remember double tap and cardio...