I don't do drugs or alcohol

[SoFlaBassAddict]

I don't think anybody actually said alcohol was harmless.  Most people here are intelligent enough to know that if you abuse it, you're in for a world of trouble.  The key word is abuse.  If you abuse ANYTHING, you may find yourself in a very bad situation.

[Tin]

It all has to do with who is doing the drinking.

[skunked_again]

Off topic, guilty as charged..

Hey Kelley, how's the hip coming along ?

Great, Thanks for asking. No pain but will be in a brace for 9 more weeks.

Kelley

ill probably be limping down your road soon enough if a few other things dont work. i might hit you up for advice some day.

[Triton21]

Evidently you have never had chronic pain.  It will drive you nuts.  You will do anything, including suicide to relieve it.

L\Kelley

[OHIO]

You people that educate others as well as the kids that this stuff is innocent just blows me away, right now you even play it down, oh its an object, the person is at fault.

making your comments about its easy to blame the object doesn't fool me one bit, but sadly your comments helps others believe liquor and drugs are harmless.

It is harmless! The people that drink it aren't.

I don't understand how you think that it's the alcohols' fault if someone gets hurt.

[FishingBuds]

its simple you drinkers have just not had anything traumatic happen to you that involves this stuff, if you did you'd be singing a different tune.

I'm glad you know my personal history. Oh wait, you don't. I've had a very close friend die in a DUI from some dude that was beyond drunk. My cousin launched himself through his windshield driving while drunk. My brother almost died in a hospital from drinking excessively. While I was on active duty I saw several people get severely hurt in situations where alcohol is involved.

A bottle of liquid can't hurt you. You choosing to drink excessively can. You can die as a result from drinking too much water. Does that mean water is bad and I should hate to think that it exists?

A gun cannot hurt somebody. Nor can a bullet. People can hurt people with guns though. Does that mean the inanimate gun is bad? Or is it the jackass that shoots somebody?

I can probably go on and on with other similar examples. If you don't like booze, thats fine. I can't blame you. But to blame the drink instead of blaming the person abusing the drink is a bit silly.

So all thru that your still fine with booze :-?

You really believe the outcome of these tragic things would still be the same if they were sober?

[Tin]

....besides, it's much easier to blame an inanimate object than take responsibility for one's actions. :

Hasn't the medical field made us believe that? Saying addiction is a disease. Not my fault. I have a disease.

It truly is a disease to some extent. The one where people loose control ( it is hard to get data on but a great research study would be to see if there was a correlation between alcoholism and bulimia).

[Tin]

Evidently you have never had chronic pain. It will drive you nuts. You will do anything, including suicide to relieve it.

L\Kelley

So sad yet so true.

[BrianinMD]

Still looking for a person who said it was harmless... don't see it.

[SoFlaBassAddict]

its simple you drinkers have just not had anything traumatic happen to you that involves this stuff, if you did you'd be singing a different tune.

I'm glad you know my personal history. Oh wait, you don't. I've had a very close friend die in a DUI from some dude that was beyond drunk. My cousin launched himself through his windshield driving while drunk. My brother almost died in a hospital from drinking excessively. While I was on active duty I saw several people get severely hurt in situations where alcohol is involved.

A bottle of liquid can't hurt you. You choosing to drink excessively can. You can die as a result from drinking too much water. Does that mean water is bad and I should hate to think that it exists?

A gun cannot hurt somebody. Nor can a bullet. People can hurt people with guns though. Does that mean the inanimate gun is bad? Or is it the jackass that shoots somebody?

I can probably go on and on with other similar examples. If you don't like booze, thats fine. I can't blame you. But to blame the drink instead of blaming the person abusing the drink is a bit silly.

So all thru that your still fine with booze :-?

You really believe the outcome of these tragic things would still be the same if they were sober?

Obviously things would be different is they were sober.  It's idiotic to think otherwise.

I blame them for getting excessively drunk.  Especially my brother.  I flat out told him after he was better that he was a moron for drinking that much.  He knows his limits and he blew right by them.  You are responsible for YOUR actions.  Good or bad.

[Triton21]

Off topic, guilty as charged..

Hey Kelley, how's the hip coming along ?

Great, Thanks for asking. No pain but will be in a brace for 9 more weeks.

Kelley

ill probably be limping down your road soon enough if a few other things don't work. i might hit you up for advice some day.

No problem,  This is my fourth time down this road.  Had a Dr mess my left and right hip in '08 and am having them revised now.  Will probably have the left done in a couple months.  Be d**n sure you know the Orthopedic Dr's record and get good references.  I thought I had in '08 but didn't work out that way.

Kelley

[FishingBuds]

You people that educate others as well as the kids that this stuff is innocent just blows me away, right now you even play it down, oh its an object, the person is at fault.

making your comments about its easy to blame the object doesn't fool me one bit, but sadly your comments helps others believe liquor and drugs are harmless.

It is harmless! The people that drink it aren't.

I don't understand how you think that it's the alcohols' fault if someone gets hurt.

Thats what you've been taught. don't forget kids its harmless, just one here and there is ok, but if you get hooked, well then by all means don't blame the product, its you. Never mind the fact that what would you be if you have never been introduced and convinced its harmless just to try it once.

Sorry guys your not gonna convince me, I know when its a poeple problem and i know when something is the root. There would be a heck of alot more loved ones around they was never introduced or convinced that this stuff is harmless.

I

[Tin]

Quoting someone who is 20 and not yet old enough to drink and knows nothing about alcohol?

[tipptruck1]

I can understand why some people don't do drugs or drink. If you chose not to drink or do drugs that's your choice. I Don't push any one to do any thing. If I am around a buddy and I am drinking a beer. I will offer him one. If he don't want it that's his choice. If he clean from booze I wont drink in front of him.

I have tired pot once in my life. I took one hit and it felt like I was going to hack up a lung. I was like 16 at the time. I haven't touched it since.

Both my parents did drugs. My dad smoked pot in till the day he died. No his death was not drug related. I saw what drugs did to my family. I remember moving around a lot because my mom couldn't pay the bills. I am sure it was because of drugs.

I have a buddy that dose drugs from time to time. He don't care if I do them or not. He knows I make the choice to do them or not. I don't care if he dose them or not its there life not mine.

As for booze. I will buy a case of beer and it will last months. If I do go out I leave the keys on my dresser and call a cab. Yea I call a cab to get me to the bar. I then don't have to worry about thinking about driving. I am not a heavy drinker by any means. There are just times were you have one to many.

I don't care what a person choices to put in there body. I don't want to sound like some a hole here. But there are other things that I enjoy more then getting drunk or high. Most of it requires a car. You cant be high or drunk to enjoy that.

I caught my first muskie this spring. It was about 45in. I caught it on 12 lb mono no steel leader. I hooked in to it at about 9 am. I don't think I made more then about 50 more cast for the rest of the day. I guess it was kind of a high.

[Glenn]

Ok FishingBuds, you can believe whatever you want.  It's a free world, right? You've made your point.   

Guys - it's a lost cause. He wants to blame the substance.  Let him be.

[B-Dozer]

You people that educate others as well as the kids that this stuff is innocent just blows me away, right now you even play it down, oh its an object, the person is at fault.

making your comments about its easy to blame the object doesn't fool me one bit, but sadly your comments helps others believe liquor and drugs are harmless.

It is harmless! The people that drink it aren't.

I don't understand how you think that it's the alcohols' fault if someone gets hurt.

Right everything is harmless, legalize it all ;D

[bilgerat]

Isn't it ironic that every other commercial on tv is about "asking your doctor if ****** is right for you" for yet another prescription med.

Then every commercial during a sporting event is for beer or liquor. Go to a game and the parking lot is full of hammerheads trying to drink as much as humanly possible before the gates open. Then they advise you to "drink responsibly" What a crock.

The problem is a lot of people have no clue what personal responsibility is all about. We've been taught for years it's someone else's fault.

If people are taught these things, is it any wonder they don't have the respect for nor can handle alcohol ?

[SoFlaBassAddict]

The problem is a lot of people have no clue what personal responsibility is all about. We've been taught for years it's someone else's fault.

Unfortunately, thats the best point made in this thread.

[B-Dozer]

Isn't it ironic that every other commercial on tv is about "asking your doctor if ****** is right for you" for yet another prescription med.

Then every commercial during a sporting event is for beer or liquor. Go to a game and the parking lot is full of hammerheads trying to drink as much as humanly possible before the gates open. Then they advise you to "drink responsibly" What a crock.

The problem is a lot of people have no clue what personal responsibility is all about. We've been taught for years it's someone else's fault.

If people are taught these things, is it any wonder they don't have the respect for nor can handle alcohol ?

I know one thing---That dam* hat of yours should be illegal. It's killing me!

[SoFlaBassAddict]

Btw, can I blame football for my pulling out what little hair I have on a weekly basis?

Stupid Dolphins......

[Root beer]

You people that educate others as well as the kids that this stuff is innocent just blows me away, right now you even play it down, oh its an object, the person is at fault.

making your comments about its easy to blame the object doesn't fool me one bit, but sadly your comments helps others believe liquor and drugs are harmless.

It is harmless! The people that drink it aren't.

I don't understand how you think that it's the alcohols' fault if someone gets hurt.

If the person has induced alcohol and gets hurts, it more than likely the alcohol's fault. Our point to Fishingbud was that it personal choice and drinking it to a certain limit. It a lot like a doctor telling you not to take more than 3 pills in 24 hour span..

Someone once told me alcohol will kill you, I replied so will many other things that aren't drugs. I actually got in trouble in high school for saying that to a drug education teacher that came and spoke to mine class that day. 5 years later and I'm 21 years old and I still stand by that statement.

[Glenn]

FishingBuds - you've made your points, and I've asked the others to leave you be.  I ask that you move on as well.

[bilgerat]

Isn't it ironic that every other commercial on tv is about "asking your doctor if ****** is right for you" for yet another prescription med.

Then every commercial during a sporting event is for beer or liquor. Go to a game and the parking lot is full of hammerheads trying to drink as much as humanly possible before the gates open. Then they advise you to "drink responsibly" What a crock.

The problem is a lot of people have no clue what personal responsibility is all about. We've been taught for years it's someone else's fault.

If people are taught these things, is it any wonder they don't have the respect for nor can handle alcohol ?

I know one thing---That dam* hat of yours should be illegal. It's killing me!

It's the only way to keep the liquor and drug companies from transmitting messages to my brain telling me to buy more

[SoFlaBassAddict]

I'm sorry if I believe being responsible for your actions is wrong. Short of somebody having a loaded gun pointed at your head, nothing forces you to get ridonkulously drunk.

Isn't it easier to tell somebody it's ok, it's not your fault. Blame the evil stuff in the bottle. It's not like you picked it up to drink it or anything....

That'll be my last response to you on this though.  It's borderline silly to keep going at this point.

[B-Dozer]

Last call everyone!