Vick

[SoFlaBassAddict]

Man, going to jail did him some good.  He actually looks like a Quarterback now.  Boy, Philly is looking good with him running the show.

I'm not an Eagles fan.

[Red]

I missed him my fantasy league.  He was available but I figured I would wait one more week to see if he was gonna start....needless to say I should have grabbed him up then cuz someone else had the same idea, but was quicker.

[BASSclary]

Good football player, But I still hate him with all my might for what he did to those dogs  >

[bocabasser]

I missed him my fantasy league. He was available but I figured I would wait one more week to see if he was gonna start....needless to say I should have grabbed him up then cuz someone else had the same idea, but was quicker.

i played against him today, but his owner did not start him. what a fool. he went off.

[5bass]

I lost a lot of respect for Vick after what happened with the dog fighting and the prison stay but I'm glad to see him bounce back and turn things around.

[K_Mac]

I have a lot of respect for him coming back and playing well. I think dog fighting is despicable, but there are worse things done by sports figures who end up with a slap on the wrist. Domestic violence, sexual assault and worse may get a suspension and fine, but no jail time. Dog fighting doesn't seem all that bad by comparison. Just my opinion.

[OHIO]

I have a lot of respect for him coming back and playing well. I think dog fighting is despicable, but there are worse things done by sports figures who end up with a slap on the wrist. Domestic violence, sexual assault and worse may get a suspension and fine, but no jail time. Dog fighting doesn't seem all that bad by comparison. Just my opinion.

Completely agree with you.

For example, Braylon Edwards just got a DUI and the Jets gave him a ONE quarter suspension.

What's up with that?

I'm not saying that getting a DUI is worse than dog fighting, but seriously, a one quarter suspension?

Should have at least gotten a game or more suspension for putting lives in danger.

[Grey Wolf]

Good football player, But I still hate him with all my might for what he did to those dogs >

I've got to agree with you 100% on this one.

[Matt Fly]

Vick and McNab had the same problems for years,

  the missing ingredient has been receivers.  VicK had Crumplier for years and that was his best set of hands on the team.   

   Vick has some talent at WR and it shows.   Same guy, different supporting cast.

[endless]

I have a lot of respect for him coming back and playing well. I think dog fighting is despicable, but there are worse things done by sports figures who end up with a slap on the wrist. Domestic violence, sexual assault and worse may get a suspension and fine, but no jail time. Dog fighting doesn't seem all that bad by comparison. Just my opinion.

Completely agree with you.

For example, Braylon Edwards just got a DUI and the Jets gave him a ONE quarter suspension.

What's up with that?

I'm not saying that getting a DUI is worse than dog fighting, but seriously, a one quarter suspension?

Should have at least gotten a game or more suspension for putting lives in danger.

Just ask Donte' Stallworth about driving under the influence.

[endless]

I have a lot of respect for him coming back and playing well. I think dog fighting is despicable, but there are worse things done by sports figures who end up with a slap on the wrist. Domestic violence, sexual assault and worse may get a suspension and fine, but no jail time. Dog fighting doesn't seem all that bad by comparison. Just my opinion.

Brandon Marshall had what 3 different accounts of domestic violence and didn't he only got 1 game suspended? I can't remember it might of been 3 or 4.

[nick76]

As it is with most anything, Change is the easier part.......sticking with it for the long haul is the Hardest!!

Nice to see him doing what he does best, playing football.  Hopefully he understands what is expected of him and that he is fortunate to have gotten a second chance at not just playing football, but also at life.  Be positive.

[SoFlaBassAddict]

Before jail, he really wasn't a good QB IMO.  Sure he sold jersey's and was exciting to watch.  Other than that, eh I've seen better backups.  Now though, he's playing like the real deal.  I wish I had him on my fantasy team.  That dude is going to have a monstrous year if he keeps it up.  I don't condone dog fighting or anything like that, but like somebody mentioned earlier, it's not like he got drunk, drove a car, and killed somebody.

[BASSclary]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

[OHIO]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

I 100% agree with you.

I was just trying to say that the NFL's policies on certain things are outrageous and need to be changed.

[B-Dozer]

Before jail, he really wasn't a good QB IMO. Sure he sold jersey's and was exciting to watch. Other than that, eh I've seen better backups. Now though, he's playing like the real deal. I wish I had him on my fantasy team. That dude is going to have a monstrous year if he keeps it up. I don't condone dog fighting or anything like that, but like somebody mentioned earlier, it's not like he got drunk, drove a car, and killed somebody.

If he was drunk, you could say he wasn't thinking right, used poor judgement to do something he wouldn't do if he was sober. He deliberately used dogs to fight, burned,buried dogs alive,drowned,hung, and beat to death dozens of dogs over a minimum of 6 years. Yeah this guy's a saint. Did he serve his time? His judgement day is yet to come. Football is just a game, all about making money. Keep on supporting him.

[B-Dozer]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

Thank You BASSclary

[SoFlaBassAddict]

I must have missed my post where I mentioned anything about supporting him.  Hell, I thought I even said that I didn't condone what he did.

con·done/k[ch601]n[ch712]d[ch333]n/Verb

1. Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

2. Approve or sanction (something), esp. with reluctance.

Yup, thats what I thought it meant.  I had to make sure.  This was just a thread about his on field play and the difference in his game play right now.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I should have known it would delve into this. 

[B-Dozer]

I must have missed my post where I mentioned anything about supporting him. Hell, I thought I even said that I didn't condone what he did.

con·done/k[ch601]n[ch712]d[ch333]n/Verb

1. Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

2. Approve or sanction (something), esp. with reluctance.

Yup, thats what I thought it meant. I had to make sure. This was just a thread about his on field play and the difference in his game play right now. Nothing more, nothing less. I should have known it would delve into this.

Didn't mean to attack you personally, I just think he got off easy, and by allowing him to play (and people paying to watch the team he plays for) is wrong.

[endless]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

If I read this right than tell that to my good friend Ashley who is dead by a drunk driver and anyone else who lost a loved one. I will never forget the call and my brother reactions. She was everything to him.

A life is a life no matter what.  Your still responsible for your actions, drunk or not.

I for one do like to drink and when I do I assure anyone I'm either home or  staying the night.

[K_Mac]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

I respect your opinion and passion for animals. I believe taking the life of, or putting a human life in danger is a far more egregious act than taking the life of an animal. As long as we eat animals for food, and hunt/catch animals for sport it would be hard to compare one to the other IMO.

To justify driving under the influence by saying once under the influence the person is no longer responsible for his/her actions does not have merit. Tell that to the person who has lost 1-4 loved ones to a drunk driver.

Had Vick drank to excess, beaten up his wife/gf or both, gotten rough with a stripper, wrecked his Escalade, and been arrested for DUI he would never had done any real jail time. He may have been suspended for a few games. My point is many would send Vick away for life (or worse) for involvement in dog fighting, while some of those same people cry for leniency for many other crimes esp when it comes to athletes/celebrities.

Dog fighting is a brutal, barbaric activity that should not be allowed. So are sexual abuse and domestic violence. That Vick go to jail for animal abuse (as he should have) because of public outcry, while others go free of crimes I find more pervasive and destructive confuses me.

[endless]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

I respect your opinion and passion for animals. I believe taking the life of, or putting a human life in danger is a far more egregious act than taking the life of an animal. As long as we eat animals for food, and hunt/catch animals for sport it would be hard to compare one to the other IMO.

To justify driving under the influence by saying once under the influence the person is no longer responsible for his/her actions does not have merit. Tell that to the person who has lost 1-4 loved ones to a drunk driver.

Had Vick drank to excess, beaten up his wife/gf or both, gotten rough with a stripper, wrecked his Escalade, and been arrested for DUI he would never had done any real jail time. He may have been suspended for a few games. My point is many would send Vick away for life (or worse) for involvement in dog fighting, while some of those same people cry for leniency for many other crimes esp when it comes to athletes/celebrities.

Dog fighting is a brutal, barbaric activity that should not be allowed. So are sexual abuse and domestic violence. That Vick go to jail for animal abuse (as he should have) because of public outcry, while others go free of crimes I find more pervasive and destructive confuses me.

Thank you!! The most the driver got was three years I believe.

http://www.myspace.com/rememberingashley_peaches

another site dedicated to lost ones.

http://www.myspace.com/every15min

[B-Dozer]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

First of Lets examine what dui means. Driving under the influence. Once the influence is in him he cant make decisions properly, thus causing the driving, and MAYBE taking a life.

Dog fighting is completely different, he KNEW what he was doing and had total control over his actions. And 1-4 souls from a car accident is nothing compared to the hundreds of souls he took from those dogs. How do you consciously drown a helpless dog? Vick is a monster and I hoped he got Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye, with a severe penalty, not jail time.

And zero, go troll somewhere else you PAB.

If I read this right than tell that to my good friend Ashley who is dead by a drunk driver and anyone else who lost a loved one. I will never forget the call and my brother reactions. She was everything to him.

A life is a life no matter what. Your still responsible for your actions, drunk or not.

I for one do like to drink and when I do I assure anyone I'm either home or staying the night.

You are right, of coarse. I am sorry for your loss. What I believe what BASSclary meant to say, a player DUI, not realizing it,and potentially risking killing somebody. His answer was in responce to killing dos not being serious. Again I am sorry for your loss.

[SoFlaBassAddict]

I must have missed my post where I mentioned anything about supporting him. Hell, I thought I even said that I didn't condone what he did.

con·done/k[ch601]n[ch712]d[ch333]n/Verb

1. Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

2. Approve or sanction (something), esp. with reluctance.

Yup, thats what I thought it meant. I had to make sure. This was just a thread about his on field play and the difference in his game play right now. Nothing more, nothing less. I should have known it would delve into this.

Didn't mean to attack you personally, I just think he got off easy, and by allowing him to play (and people paying to watch the team he plays for) is wrong.

No worries.

It's not my place to say whether he did or didn't get off easy. One thing you have to agree upon though is that he was found guilty by a jury of his peers and sentenced within accordance of the law. One thing you have to remember, the punishment should fit the crime. He served his assigned time, why should he not be allowed to pursue his chosen career path. If you went to jail for the same thing, wouldn't you want to work in the field of your choice after all is said and done?

Lets not take this into whether or not the law's punishments are correct or not here.

Like K_Mac said, there are far worse crimes that go unpunished or for those same horrendous crimes, don't receive nearly enough punishment. It's an unfortunate byproduct of todays society.

[tyrius.]

IMO, DUI's are totally different than dog fighting.

Yep, for each single instance a DUI is worse than dogfighting.  In a DUI you're willingly chosing to get into a car and drive which puts other innocent HUMAN lives in grave danger. 

Human > Dog any day of the week.  And before the flames begin, I have a dog that I love and will likely always have dogs. 

People who drink and drive should be jailed on the first offense.  I'll never understand our culture's acceptence of people who willfully put other innocent lives at risk.