How to solve the drug problem

[Bassn Blvd]

I'm not sure about marijuana but cocaine is over a billion dollar (yes, $1,000,000,000.) profit annually.

Right now, pharmaceutical drugs, Roxi's, Oxy's, Xanax, etc., are a major problem plaguing our streets and look at how hard it is for us to control that.  It cost less than 25 cents to manufacture ONE Oxy but cost several hundred dollars, without insurance, to fill a script for 30 pills.

  The street value in some states is 1 dollar per milligram.  That means an Oxy 80 goes for $80 a pill. If your doctor writes you a script for 30 Oxy's then you could potentially make $2400.  Some people see 3-4 doctors a month.  Do the math and tell me violence isn't involved to get your pills or protect your money.

I know I went off topic from marijuana but thought    I'd throw pills into the mix. :

[Bassn Blvd]

I hear ya, Gone Fishin.  It would certainly be interesting to see what kind of laws/restrictions would be imposed if it was legalized.    I'd like to watch the lawmakers on t.v. fight back and forth as to how they are going to legalize and control it. 

[Gone_Phishin]

Yea, I would enjoy watching that as well.  I'm sure the gov has at least a skeleton of laws all ready to go.  I'd be curious to see if big tobacco has the changes drawn up to add the production lines, if called upon.

[Bassn Blvd]

I can see it now, Marijuana Lights, Marijuana 100's, Marijuana menthol.

[Catt]

The gang violence ended after alcohol prohibition was repealed.

On what planet?

Decreased it but didn't end it 

[D4u2s0t]

Here's a few thoughts, and what most people done' realize when it goes into this... there are areas of the country, especially out west, who's entire economy is based on the sale of marijuana... If the production of marijuana stopped, these counties would literally crumble, and the impact on the rest of the state would be devastating. On the flip side, there's no real reason for marijuana to be illegal. Anyone with any kind of experience can tell you that it's less dangerous than alcohol, it's just more tabboo, because it's illegal.

I had a drug problem growing up, (haven't done any hard drugs for almost 10 years now) and I can tell you that there's lots of drugs that should not be made legal... If you've never done them, you wouldn't understand this, but trust me, there's some stuff out there that you do ONCE, and it's so good, you're hooked... so that one bad decision, or giving in to peer pressure, or what you do after too many drinks at a party can literally ruin your life. For those with kids, imagine if your 17 year old could go to the local store and pick up a sack of heroin, w.t.f???? There's just some drugs that I can't EVER picture being legal, and for very good reasons. There's also drugs that are rediculous to stay illegal, so I think it needs to go on a case by case basis. Weed, most halucinogens (if taken properly, and responsibly) and many other drugs have less of an impact on life than booze does. The biggest problems these days people run into is either not being mentally prepared to take what they're taking, or they had a bad batch because there's no quality control regulations, so you really have no idea what you're taking. If these things were regulated, many of the problems and incidents we hear about do to using recreational street drugs would be gone... I think that's where the line needs to be distinguished... what is a recreational drug, and what is not, and should never be.

[bass or bass ?]

All of the research studies I've read say that roughly the same percentage of the population is inclined to use their particular drug of choice, legal or not. There may be a small increase in the number of users, but not a large one.

As for availability of said drugs. I see addictive drugs such as opiates, cocaine, meth, etc. being controlled and made available to users through dispensaries as is done in Netherlands, not freely available in corner stores. Users will be users. Provide them with clean needles and pure drugs as opposed to what is sold on the streets now,  drugs cut with things like battery acid, and benzene and stryknine, poisons that your body stores in the liver untill they reach a lethal level.

I realize there's no good end to the situation. But there is a far better one than the one that exists now.

[Dan:]

or we could just poison the drug supply and tell people about it...

[slonezp]

bass or bass, The post is about the drug problem correct? Or you just talking marijuana?

[SirSnookalot]

As long as there is government corruption the drug problem will never be solved, too many people being paid off and turning a blind eye.

Serpico, Prince of the city......these are true stories and happens everywhere from the smallest cities to the largest ones.

Legalization isn't the answer either, then we will have the same corruption in the form of lobbyists for tobacco or drug companies.

[D4u2s0t]

or we could just poison the drug supply and tell people about it...

much of the drug supply IS poisoned, and there's a good chance that every time you buy you're going to get a bad batch and die.  There's ZERO deterrent for a drug addict, if you gave someone straight poison, they would probably do it anyways because there's a chance you may be lying, and it's really drugs.  Guys will shoot 10 bags of baby powder, even if they know it's baby powder, because maybe one of the bags actually has something mixed in.  The mind of a drug addict is a rediculous, twisted, fantasy world.

[NewAngler]

This thread is ridiculous. That being said, here are my thoughts.

For those of you that think violence won't stem from trying to get some herb. Completely wrong. I got "held up" at age 16 for some herb. Maybe he was going to flip the profit for the drug of his choice, but I know that he got my herb, and I changed my underwear.

I'm for a ten year decriminalization study to track the trends of users. If thats even possible, from there we can dicuss the legalization.

No matter what the outcome of this our judicial system is still going to be a royal nightmare. Speedy trial? 1 Year wait for a possesion charge for a guy I know. C'mon. Its not going to change anything but free up some space in our jails. I think the average cost per day per inmate is $30 day. As a tax payer I'd rather give my money to house a child molester, rapist, murder etc. etc. than a dude pushing some herb. My friends brother spent 3 years in prison for dealing MARIJUANA. 1st offense. Don't say it cant happen, it does.

[bigfruits]

I can see it now, Marijuana Lights, Marijuana 100's, Marijuana menthol.

a friend of mine told me that marlboro is ready to start producing and packaging as soon as soon as its legalized.

he might be wrong though, he was pretty high when he told me about it.

[I.rar]

This thread is ridiculous.

I'm for a ten year decriminalization study to track the trends of users. If thats even possible, from there we can dicuss the legalization.

x2.

[Bassn Blvd]

  My friends brother spent 3 years in prison for dealing MARIJUANA. 1st offense. Don't say it cant happen, it does.

I'll bet your friend's brother didn't go to jail for 3 years for selling a joint.  Chances are, he went for Trafficking Marijuana.  Big difference in Trafficking and the recreational user.

[Bassn Blvd]

or we could just poison the drug supply and tell people about it...

much of the drug supply IS poisoned, and there's a good chance that every time you buy you're going to get a bad batch and die. There's ZERO deterrent for a drug addict, if you gave someone straight poison, they would probably do it anyways because there's a chance you may be lying, and it's really drugs. Guys will shoot 10 bags of baby powder, even if they know it's baby powder, because maybe one of the bags actually has something mixed in. The mind of a drug addict is a rediculous, twisted, fantasy world.

Says who and where do your stats come from?  Poisoned with what?  Are you referring to cutting agents like Inositol for cocaine? Or do you mean rat poison?

Have you ever seen how cocaine is made, or crystal meth?  The ingredients are poison themselves.

Drug cartels would be cutting there own throat by poisoning their product because no one would by it.  They are strictly in it for the MONEY.   

[D4u2s0t]

or we could just poison the drug supply and tell people about it...

much of the drug supply IS poisoned, and there's a good chance that every time you buy you're going to get a bad batch and die. There's ZERO deterrent for a drug addict, if you gave someone straight poison, they would probably do it anyways because there's a chance you may be lying, and it's really drugs. Guys will shoot 10 bags of baby powder, even if they know it's baby powder, because maybe one of the bags actually has something mixed in. The mind of a drug addict is a rediculous, twisted, fantasy world.

Says who and where do your stats come from? Poisoned with what? Are you referring to cutting agents like Inositol for cocaine? Or do you mean rat poison?

Have you ever seen how cocaine is made, or crystal meth? The ingredients are poison themselves.

Drug cartels would be cutting there own throat by poisoning their product because no one would by it. They are strictly in it for the MONEY.

My stats come from experience, and watching it get done. The drug cartels sell their pure product to someone who cuts that product to make more money... they then sell it to someone else, who again cuts that product... by the time it reaches the corner street level dealer, it is nothing like what came from the drug cartel. The street corner dealer could give a crap if you die or not, because someone else will be pulling up in their car any minute. Like you said, it's all about money, and if they take say an ounce, cut it with something, that means they're getting more for their money. Majority of street level cocaine, heroin, crack, and other drugs are mostly fillers by the time they get to your average addict.

[Dan:]

Poisoned product is not good for business. I know sometimes it is used, but I would think non-poisonous fillers are WAY more common.

I was being facetious, but I meant really poisoning a large portion of the drug supply. Do that yearly and make sure people know that it is being done. If people think their drugs will kill them they will think twice about buying them. 

[FishingBuds]

Poisoned product is not good for business. I know sometimes it is used, but I would think non-poisonous fillers are WAY more common.

I was being facetious, but I meant really poisoning a large portion of the drug supply. Do that yearly and make sure people know that it is being done. If people think their drugs will kill them they will think twice about buying them.

Dan, gotta consider METH. That will blows your theory.

users and money greed people want it legal!

The people that have a brain don't.

I've seen pot turn a working man lazy, stupid, or accidental. I've seen pot take place of family in a user's world and I"ve seen a recreational : pot user wanna try to get higher, and then that same recreational user finally end his own life cause when he was a big time user that couldn't deal with reality and came down off of a 4 day nose high..

you all who want it legal don't know what the heck your talking about, your either still a user or your worried more on the all mighty dollar than a life.

Friggen sitten around talking about a product that destroys family's like it makes sense, recreational pot user, what a joke.

I'll think about you all the next time I go and visit my brothers grave, people like you taught my brother that drugs was the way and they're harmless.

This is the worst subject ever on here, it tops everything, you talk about your favorite beer/ drink and now drugs? you guys have no clue what this stuff does to GENERATIONS! no clue >

If you had a clue this would be the last thing you'd be motivated or remotely interested in.

Those of you that said no to this subject/ KUDOS just next time tell these guys the truth

this is where muddy would shine!

These subjects should be banned! totally heartless!

[roadwarrior]

Okay...Let's move on...

Goodnight Irene.

-Kent  a.k.a. roadwarrior

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