Re: Big Bens Punishment...

[Dan:]

They should have just made him play for the Rams.

[Tin]

Need some data for a final paper. How many games should Ben Roethlisberger been suspended if at all for his behavior? Please keep it clean, I need all the data I can get. Thanks

[burleytog]

They should have just made him play for the Rams REDSKINS.

Clay Travis said it better than I could.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/21/roger-goodell-nfls-solomon-attempts-to-split-the-baby/#cntnt

[Tin]

I'm just loving it that they are trying to trade him for a top 10 pick and signed Leftwich. Their back up looked really good against the Ravens if I remember correctly last year.

[Matt Fly]

I read what has been released to the public.

   If any of what I read is true, the entire year and playoffs at a minimum would be expected.

   if it isn't true, then at a minimum, 6 games is about right considering this is his second time accused in less than 10 months.

  One thing Ben is guilty for, contributing to minors.

I suggest you go read the case file.   Very disturbing, I have no respect for this guy at all.

   

[NewAngler]

Personally, I believe that Ben Roethlisberger is likely a rapist.

WOW. Bold statement.

I'm not sure exactly why he was suspending this time. Breaking the moral conduct part of his contract? So you can't whip your Big Ben out in a bar? Got it...

Tin, I'm not sure that you can do an accumulating suspension for all of his "mistakes". I think that his (or any players) suspensions should be on a case-by-case basis. Granted, this is his second sexual misconduct offense in just as many years, but there's more than that. There is his inability to follow instructions, as per the motorcycle accident when his coach, a HOF coach, asked him to wear his helmet while riding. He didn't. Almost died, too. He's called out his best wide (another HOF probably) receiver in the media. He has no respect for anyone or his surroundings.

Is his six game punishment fair? We can't tell right now. We will be able to tell during those six games with what he's doing. Is he going out to bars, or is he trying to rehabilitate himself? There's something not right in this dudes fat head, maybe he needs to pick up the phone and talk to Tiger about how to handle it from here.

[Tin]

That's kind of what I'm going for NewAngler. I'm looking at his actions versus others and past suspensions and he prevalence of white privilege in the NFL.

[NewAngler]

White priveledge? Or superstardom? Take a look at some other receent suspensions and punishments for players in the league and pair them to their public perception. (this is all off opinion, and memory. I believe all stats are correct)

Michael Vick- long time offender, Ron Mexico, drugs, party life, college STAR.

          Punishment- CONVICTED of MULTIPLE felonies- 18 months in jail, suspended for a full year (and then some, right?), and 5 (or 7, or 10?) years probation. While the suspension was a lot greater, he had a conviction of felonies.

Dante Stallworth- character issues on a smaller scale, not superstar status of Vick.

           Crime and punishment- DUI manslaughter. He KILLED a man, and served 30 days in jail, and suspended for one season. While the NFL punishment was large, the punishment by our crooked justice system was a little off. Even if the pedestrian was jay-walking

Plaxico Burress- Diva wide out, semi- superstar status.

           Crime and punishment- Weapons charges, crossing state lines with a firearm, and shooting in public place or something. 2 years in prison. NFL punishment unknown. pretty steep for a weapons charge in which he only hurt himself. I believe the larger issue was crossing state lines.

Now Big Ben.

Ben Rothelisberger- small town kid, small town college star in the MAC confrence. Hit HUGE superstardom with 2 superbowls in his first 5 years in NFL.

            Crime and punishment- sexual misconduct in 08- civil suit was charged, charges dropped. He probably took a huge hit in his wallet. (wasnt this before Goddell laid out HIS law?) Nothing happened to him in terms of jail, nothing happend in the NFL.

His late offense- disobeying the misconduct moral clause in his contract. suspension; 6 regular season games. 38% of his season for something that hasn't been pursued by the victim, or the law... yet. In the other cases above it seems like the NFL punishments are in direct correlation to the CONVICTED CHARGE. Vick had 125% of one season, Stallworth 100% of the season, Plax is unknown, and Ben gets 38% of the season.  To me it doesn't look like white priveledge at all. In some sorts, its kind of unfair and unjustly to Ben for he has NOT been convicted of any crime. I don't think its white priveldge at all, I think it has to do with the players prominence in the NFL.

I'm sure I was all over the place with that, but hope it helps. Bottom line is that I don't think color has to do with anything. I think its more of a criminal/ fame thing in the NFL. Now if you want to have a discussion on whether or not I think the justice system have white priveldge or not, I'm open to that as well, but that's not the case here.

[Tin]

I never said I was trying to show white privilege. 

Stallworth is my big arguement of how killing a man = a season suspension. While PED's can carry the same season long suspension. I'am  also looking at white privilege at the QB position.

Ok, enough of that, don't want to get the thread locked.

[Bigs]

Hopefully he'll end up with the Raiders where he can suck forever  :

[bowfish12]

It comes down to Goodell is tired of players getting in trouble and making the NFL look bad. Ben got suspended for his off the field issues, not because he was convicted of a crime.

Supposedly the DA decided not to pursue the the charges as there was not enough evidence.

If you go back and look at Pacman, you will see that he was eventually suspended for incidents that he was never convicted of and some that he was.

It might not be on the same degree as some of the other suspensions, but bringing the attention of the law on yourself twice within a year for the same thing, even though he wasn't convicted, warrants a suspension in Goodell's eyes.

NewAngler, if you look at the three that you mentioned all of them have went to prison or jail for their crimes that they were convicted of and suspended for at least a year. 

I agree that it has nothing to do with a white/black athlete gap on the suspensions, and I also think that this is justified in the sense that the commish is tired of this kind of crap with the players and legal troubles.

He's made it clear that if you don't conduct yourself off the field in a respectable manner he will suspend you.  In Big Ben's case he's losing almost 3 million bucks this year due to his suspension.

[Sam]

He is a thug.

Needs to grow up.

With all that money he has to go to bars and try to pick up women?

If he was not so ugly he probably would be married by now but most nice girls can see him as a jerk and they avoid him.

Sounds like a sick puppy to me.  >

[Matt Fly]

Stallworth hit a man running into the road, and he stopped immediately and called 911.   

   Pacman wasn't suspended for the whole season either, until he failed to follow the commish's suggestions, then it became a full season +.   No convictions either.

  Plexico could as easily taken a strangers life with his display of stupidity. 

     Ben, if a 10th of info that is in the case that is now public is true, Ben deserves alot more.

   I give him less than a year with the Steelers.    Rooney's will not tolerate a dirt bag to be a Steeler

   

[NewAngler]

Stallworth hit a man running into the road, and he stopped immediately and called 911.   

Pacman wasn't suspended for the whole season either, until he failed to follow the commish's suggestions, then it became a full season +. No convictions either.

Plexico could as easily taken a strangers life with his display of stupidity.

Ben, if a 10th of info that is in the case that is now public is true, Ben deserves alot more.

I give him less than a year with the Steelers. Rooney's will not tolerate a dirt bag to be a Steeler

Was drunk. Manslaughter. Slowed reaction time...? What do you think would happen if you or I killed someone while driving drunk? Fired from your job, probably a lot more time than 30 days, and a lot harder time to find a job making a lot less money than he was.

Say you were in Plaxico's postition. Probably get more than 2 years.

Atheletes get special treatment. Look at Gilbert Arenas; no jail time.

[RickG NVA]

I think the comish read everything & talked to everyone he could before making his decision, so that's what Ben and the Steelers have to live with for now. As far as trading him I believe the Rooney's will do what's best for the Rooney's & Steelers Image and they pay the bills. JMHO 8-)

[Gone_Phishin]

I read what has been released to the public.

If any of what I read is true, the entire year and playoffs at a minimum would be expected.

if it isn't true, then at a minimum, 6 games is about right considering this is his second time accused in less than 10 months.

One thing Ben is guilty for, contributing to minors.

I suggest you go read the case file. Very disturbing, I have no respect for this guy at all.

Could you post a link please?

[OIFBasser]

He had had multiple incidents at Miami(Ohio) that were swept under the rug, and now 2 within a year, and possibly a third. The info that was released to the public is disturbing, and if it wasn't for Mr. Blash( the investigating officer, who was forced to resign) he would have been arrested. I hate the Steelers with a passion, and am glad that they are imploding as a team, but it is a shame that he even put himself in that position in the first place. If he was Joe Average, he would have been convicted and sentenced by now.

On th lighter side, my buddies and I have been blowing up the Steelers phone lines demanding that he be traded while posing as Stoolers fans.

[Matt Fly]

Think back real hard with the Rooneys, every single little black eye that showed up was taken care of by the next season.  There aren't many, cause they don't tolerate that behavior, not even a little pot smoking.   

   Every receiver that had off field issue with substances in the past ten years, good or not, was let go one way or another.

I know the mods appreciate that link not being posted, its graphic.

 

    You know, I'd be worried that some of my team mates probably have baby sisters that maybe of that age and in college.

I'm gonna say that the bar this happened in, that somehow lost the security video tape, didn't want charges pressed on them for serving minors or allowing minors inside where all this took place.

   Why didn't this girl report it sooner?   How about as soon as she got outside and found the first cop within minutes of leaving.  She did report it. 

    Ben is lucky that the bar was covering their butts as well.   Ben is guilty for buying the minors shots, and the bar is guilty for serving it to them.

[frogtog]

Band him for life, what did he do?

[bass or bass ?]

These sort of things just make me prouder of our now retired QB Kurt Warner. What a role model!

[bocabasser]

I read what has been released to the public.

If any of what I read is true, the entire year and playoffs at a minimum would be expected.

if it isn't true, then at a minimum, 6 games is about right considering this is his second time accused in less than 10 months.

One thing Ben is guilty for, contributing to minors.

I suggest you go read the case file. Very disturbing, I have no respect for this guy at all.

agreed. this is not the first time either. this guy has a problem (obviously), and after the nfl did their own investigation they deemed it necessary to suspend him for 6 games.

i wonder if that guy who wrote the article that burley linked would feel the same way if it were his daughter? i think not.

[senile1]

They should have just made him play for the Rams REDSKINS.

Clay Travis said it better than I could.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/21/roger-goodell-nfls-solomon-attempts-to-split-the-baby/#cntnt

One doesn't have to commit a crime to be released or suspended by an employer.  Playing this game is Ben's job.  The NFL isn't the only employer who enforces unpaid administrative leave for employees alleged to have committed a crime, but having no conviction.  Each incident is examined individually and if the employer determines there is enough evidence that the employee has impugned the integrity of the company, they can suspend the employee.